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[Drink IRON City]

Presley Harvin III, should be gone. Both Tomlin and Bubbles elected to keep him over Mann. Another mistake made by the two.

There are way better options at long term punter and this Home Page STEELERNATION.COM article is a great read on the punter situation.

https://www.steelernation.com/2024/02/04/steelers-3-great-options-replace-pressley-harvin-2024

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[Djfan]

It makes sense, until you bring Tomlin into the mix. He'll probably be back.

So done with it all. Can we just do the right thing? No

 

[ZonaBurgh]

If Tory Taylor is there with their last pick and they choose a short, underweight, but speedy RB instead, I'll be pissed. Not that they'd care what I think.

 

[steelhurt]

This completely just blows me away on how Harvin can even be considered being brought back.
The guy is strictly a summer kicker who punts well in training camp but is not good during the season.
Just another indictment on Tomlin’s poor decision making keeping this slug around.

 

[jitter77]

I don't see any way Harvin is our punter next year. He had two good games back to back early and i thought he turned the corner, but then went back to being terrible. A guy in my bowling team has worked at Steelers camp the last several years and he says Harvin is very arrogant as well which was surprising to me. He is a good holder, but that doesn't justify keeping him around

 

[SteelerSask2]

The only thing that ever matters is the best player you can get is on the field. If an undrafted player beats out drafted you could look at it as well he was a bad draft pick ooooooor.......you couod say the UFA is better and costed no pick so it's a wash.

 

[steelcan58]

The only thing that ever matters is the best player you can get is on the field. If an undrafted player beats out drafted you could look at it as well he was a bad draft pick ooooooor.......you couod say the UFA is better and costed no pick so it's a wash.

Niners proved that with Trey Lance. Could have been a disaster for years but they washed their hands of the situation quickly

 

[SteelerSask2]

Niners proved that with Trey Lance. Could have been a disaster for years but they washed their hands of the situation quickly

100 percent but were sooooooo fortunate to have Purdy work out.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I'd say Tomlin has some qualities like leadership and relationship. One of his biggest drawbacks is pedigree. He has to be punched in the face by a UFA being better then the drafted player. Terrible culture for that. Ever player should claw for job. No entitled players.

 

[steelcan58]

I'd say Tomlin has some qualities like leadership and relationship. One of his biggest drawbacks is pedigree. He has to be punched in the face by a UFA being better then the drafted player. Terrible culture for that. Ever player should claw for job. No entitled players.

Jimmy Johnson once said he treated players differently according to the importance to the team. He once said if a player was the 53rd man on the roster and he caught him sleeping in a meeting, that player would be shown the door. If it was Troy Aikman, he'd simply go over, wake him up and say c'mon Troy.

I understand treating players differently by the status they've earned. I don't understand treating them differently by where they were drafted. At least not for long. Drafted players do enjoy different status from undrafted UFAs - at least initially.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

It makes sense, until you bring Tomlin into the mix. He'll probably be back.

So done with it all. Can we just do the right thing? No

Like I said elsewhere, Shades’ depth chart is based largely on draft position.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The only thing that ever matters is the best player you can get is on the field. If an undrafted player beats out drafted you could look at it as well he was a bad draft pick ooooooor.......you couod say the UFA is better and costed no pick so it's a wash.

That’s the thing, Shades’ ego won’t let him admit to making a bad draft pick. Dudes hang around wasting space until their rookie contracts are up.

 

[Djfan]

That’s the thing, Shades’ ego won’t let him admit to making a bad draft pick. Dudes hang around wasting space until their rookie contracts are up.

It's strikingly apparent that he is this lame. Kills me. But, hey, let's extend him.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

It's strikingly apparent that he is this lame. Kills me. But, hey, let's extend him.

Never a losing season.
Greatest coach ever.

 

[madinsomniac]

So which of the following was the worse mutiiseason punter investment:

1. Pressley Harvin 3.. a 7th round pick who shanks a ton of punts but retains his spot because of his holding prowness
2. Daniel Sepulveda. A 4th round pick who could never put it all together. Often injured, his early seasons he was ok at downing it in the 20, but his yards per punt sucked... later he increased his punting distance, but lost the ability to pin the ball in the 20. Never played anywhere else...

3 Chris Gardoki. Ufa that Displaced Josh Miller. Supposedly a drinking buddy of the coaching staff... terrible at distance punting, but never had one blocked

 

[Drink IRON City]

So which of the following was the worse mutiiseason punter investment:

1. Pressley Harvin 3.. a 7th round pick who shanks a ton of punts but retains his spot because of his holding prowness
2. Daniel Sepulveda. A 4th round pick who could never put it all together. Often injured, his early seasons he was ok at downing it in the 20, but his yards per punt sucked... later he increased his punting distance, but lost the ability to pin the ball in the 20. Never played anywhere else...

3 Chris Gardoki. Ufa that Displaced Josh Miller. Supposedly a drinking buddy of the coaching staff... terrible at distance punting, but never had one blocked

I don’t think Sepulveda got to hang around too long. His injury, then was gone. The bad part of his ordeal was the fact that he was a 4th round pick. He’d lasted to the 6 or 7th and possibly FA.

I got ****-ing sick of hearing—— never a punt blocked——— from the stupid talking heads, on the Bruce Gardoki crap.

As for Presley, he should have been gone this last season, even if “IN-season”. Harvin averaged near 44 yards where as Mann averaged closer to 50 yards per punt. To big of a difference to write off as to close to call.



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[madinsomniac]

I don’t think Sepulveda got to hang around too long. His injury, then was gone. The bad part of his ordeal was the fact that he was a 4th round pick. He’d lasted to the 6 or 7th and possibly FA.

I got ****-ing sick of hearing—— never a punt blocked——— from the stupid talking heads, on the Bruce Gardoki crap.

As for Presley, he should have been gone this last season, even if “IN-season”. Harvin averaged near 44 yards where as Mann averaged closer to 50 yards per punt. To big of a difference to write off as to close to call.



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Sepulveda was here 5 years... he was injured all his second season, part of his 4 th and half his 5 th... then was gone

 

[TDX27]

Harvin should be flat-out cut. He's had too many opportunities to even allow him to compete for the spot. He looks good in practice but is too inconsistent in live games. We need a new punter next year.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

So which of the following was the worse mutiiseason punter investment:

1. Pressley Harvin 3.. a 7th round pick who shanks a ton of punts but retains his spot because of his holding prowness
2. Daniel Sepulveda. A 4th round pick who could never put it all together. Often injured, his early seasons he was ok at downing it in the 20, but his yards per punt sucked... later he increased his punting distance, but lost the ability to pin the ball in the 20. Never played anywhere else...

3 Chris Gardoki. Ufa that Displaced Josh Miller. Supposedly a drinking buddy of the coaching staff... terrible at distance punting, but never had one blocked

Tough call. Sep was a higher pick but a better punter. When healthy. How often do punter get hurt? Answer: Almost never. Gotta say Harvin III edges him out by being maddeningly inconsistent.

 

[madinsomniac]

I forgot to mention that back in 04 gardoki got something like a five year six million dollar frontloaded contract that irked people back then, lol

 

[SteelerSask2]

Jimmy Johnson once said he treated players differently according to the importance to the team. He once said if a player was the 53rd man on the roster and he caught him sleeping in a meeting, that player would be shown the door. If it was Troy Aikman, he'd simply go over, wake him up and say c'mon Troy.

I understand treating players differently by the status they've earned. I don't understand treating them differently by where they were drafted. At least not for long. Drafted players do enjoy different status from undrafted UFAs - at least initially.

Agreed. One would like to think Big Ben got treated same as Gradkowski but that's a fantasy. But if Gradkowski clearly played better then Ben ........that's a whole other ballgame. As soon as Jarvis and Bush looked inferior to backups they should have got hook. If that didn't light fire.......gone.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Agreed. One would like to think Big Ben got treated same as Gradkowski but that's a fantasy. But if Gradkowski clearly played better then Ben ........that's a whole other ballgame. As soon as Jarvis and Bush looked inferior to backups they should have got hook. If that didn't light fire.......gone.

Fully agree, you have to put the best players on the field of play, that’s why you have them.

Coach Cowher said it best—- “As a Head Coach, you don’t have any friends. You can’t have that cloud your judgement when it come to the betterment of the team”.

Tomlin has had big trouble, when it comes to some of the personnel decisions, friends / draft / favortism.



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[tapeANaspirin2it]

I understand sticking with a talented young QB or OT, etc. Those are positions with a learning curve. Players get better. But not Punter. It's not like you have to learn a scheme or new technique. I'm sure there are some coaching tips that can help, but for the most part, you can Punt or you can't. I don't understand sticking with him so long waiting for him to improve.

There's no harm bringing him back to compete in camp but you better have a real competition for the job. There better be real competition too. Sign a real punter who has actually done it in the NFL or even the UFL spring league, not just some undrafted guy from Slippery Rock.

They should tell Harvin that he's on his last chance. He does have a booming leg. He should seek out a punting coach. I'm sure they exist. Get some focused coaching and maybe he can add consistency to his punts.

If Harvin can clearly win the job in camp without the shanks then fine. No more keeping him because of upside and hoping he figures it out in the regular season.

 

[madinsomniac]

I understand sticking with a talented young QB or OT, etc. Those are positions with a learning curve. Players get better. But not Punter. It's not like you have to learn a scheme or new technique. I'm sure there are some coaching tips that can help, but for the most part, you can Punt or you can't. I don't understand sticking with him so long waiting for him to improve.

There's no harm bringing him back to compete in camp but you better have a real competition for the job. There better be real competition too. Sign a real punter who has actually done it in the NFL or even the UFL spring league, not just some undrafted guy from Slippery Rock.

They should tell Harvin that he's on his last chance. He does have a booming leg. He should seek out a punting coach. I'm sure they exist. Get some focused coaching and maybe he can add consistency to his punts.

If Harvin can clearly win the job in camp without the shanks then fine. No more keeping him because of upside and hoping he figures it out in the regular season.

Exactly.. the thing is if you have an all pro punter, how much does it really change things over a course of a season compared to an average punter? What is the real benefit to trying to develop one past year two?

At qb the difference between a top guy and a bottom level starter can be thousands of yards

Its probably close to 800 for wrs and Rbs...
a stud olineman can fundamentally change what you can do on O
A great defender is on the field for 50 snaps or more a game ... a Punter punts 5 or 6 times a game, holds some field goal attempts...

Their impact is minimal.. the difference between 29th ranked Harvin and the best net yardage guy in the league was 340 yards total... the difference between that league leading guy and an average punter was like 150 yards total all year...

So basically if having a star punter isnt much different from having an average one, why would you keep one that is on the wrong side of that comparison and who is actively harming your team in the vague hope he will develop into a star?

Just get an average guy and call it a day

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Yep, a bad punt hurts you much more than a great punt helps you. A bad punt is almost like a turnover. I'd much rather have an average or even slightly below average guy who is consistent.