You have to decline 5th year option on Harris

[jitter77]

Hey sanders lead the league in tackles behind the LOS almost every year yet still somehow managed to lead the league in yardage too

I was watching some Sanders highlights the other day. He was not the fastest guy, but his acceleration was insane. He would just blow by guys like they were standing still.
Of course Harris is no Sanders, but the Steelers are just not using Harris properly along with having bad blocking. The reason we drafted Harris was due to lack of RB production. The RBs are not the main issue

 

[FordFairLane]

I agree on a lot of things in this thread.
1. Najee Does not deserve a 5th year option. I think last year it was like 10-11 million for that option on a RB. I think next year he will cost 2.4 million. That is a dollar amount I feel he is worth. When you can get a David Montgomery for 6 million I just can't go north of that for Najee. In 2025 barring an extension guys likes Javonte Williams and Rhamondre Stevenson will be free agents. I don't see them cashing in huge pay days and I would say Najee is better but if you can get Warren, a FA like that, and a draft pick, we are probably better off.
2. Our line needs improvement. Mason Cole is serviceable and that is about it. Daniels is an "ok" starter. Semuola is a little better than the other two.
3. Coaching needs to be improved. Dotson did a 180 going to the rams. That is speaking volumes about where we are in terms of coaching.

 

[Lambert58]

Coaching and schemes won't improve until Tomlin is gone. It's pretty basic stuff.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

While I agree with the premise of not picking up the option the “you have to” part is cute

He’s a Tomlin dude, shades doesn’t “have to do” anything

I’ll file that with the other “have to” stuff like…
Have to Fire Canada
Have to play your first round tackle
Have to open up the offense
Have to block

Obviously the Steelers don’t constrain themselves with “have to”

I would expect they pick up his option judging by past behavior alone

 

[xjx]

I hope not. The OL is the problem so why pay big money to a back. Get mediocre backs cheap until the line is fixed. That will be never.

 

[F83]

c rg lg cant combo block so when matt calls the same hb dive or of tackle play and the guys in the middle get 0 push Harris gets 1 or no gain as were always playing from behind that makes it easy to put in the box on 1st.
Get a new C and we need a bookend RT move Chukes to Rg consider cutting Daniels or convert Daniels to C.
the Pats msy have a fire sale i would send a 6th a 6th for Onwenu a road grading RG.
this line interior needs a fire lit that thier reps or starting jonbs could be lost.
Cut rodney Williams eithier bring watt back or Gentry if gentry line him as a FB.

 

[TDX27]

I hear those whining about Najee constantly but why post this after a game like yesterday? In the first half, neither RB went anywhere with the few carries they had. In the 2nd half, Warren had the first couple of runs and one was a decent run. Other than that, neither RB ran much or did much when they did. Najee probably had the better receptions but that was later in the game. Neither RB was used much in the game or did much when they were. So, are you just whining about Najee to whine or are you making something out of nothing from this actual game? Just curious. Canaduh is still our biggest problem followed right behind him by the OL. Canaduh definitely hasn't improved in 3 years and the OL hasn't improved from last year and may have gotten worse from the small improvement they did make over the course of last year.

 

[skialta]

Haha. Right. All that matters.

You guys must not know that Tomlin has never had a losing season

 

[topseed]

Through seven games, he’s carried the ball more than 14 times once. Like with Pickett, how can you objectively evaluate the guy’s performance?

And in that one game, he averaged 3.4 yards per carry, even less than his poor season number. So what's your point?

Najee rushed the ball 307 times in 2021 and averaged 3.9 yards per carry. The league average was 4.3.
Najee rushed the ball 272 times in 2022 and averaged 3.8 yards per carry. The league average was 4.5.
Najee has rushed the ball 84 times in 2023 and is averaging 3.7 yards per carry. The league average is 4.1.

As I said, I thought the guy was a good choice for the Steelers. But after watching 663 of his carries, and witnessing an undrafted backup averaging 4.5 yards over 122 carries during his two seasons with the same team, I'd objectively evaluate Najee's performance as lackluster, given his pedigree and draft position -- and my support for him is wearing a bit thin.

 

[skialta]

I used to think that the OL was the problem, but it runs way deeper than that. Tomlin is the problem. He's fleecing the Rooneys off of the sucess that he stumbled into when he first showed up in 07.

Winning that Super Bowl basically cememented his job status. That "stickey Lombardi" and all of the bullshit that has followed him ever since has put him above answereing any goddamn questions. DK asks him the questions that you want to know...Tomlin just distracts, deflects and flat out ignores.

Nobody seems to give a **** that the building is completely trashed at this point. If Tomlin was fired just see how long it takes to get another job. It would be immediate, just because people are caught up in his snake oil sales.

**** Mike Tomlin, and honestly, he could go ahead and take AR2 with him.

Said it. Meant it.

 

[Troglodyte]

And in that one game, he averaged 3.4 yards per carry, even less than his poor season number. So what's your point?

Najee rushed the ball 307 times in 2021 and averaged 3.9 yards per carry. The league average was 4.3.
Najee rushed the ball 272 times in 2022 and averaged 3.8 yards per carry. The league average was 4.5.
Najee has rushed the ball 84 times in 2023 and is averaging 3.7 yards per carry. The league average is 4.1.

As I said, I thought the guy was a good choice for the Steelers. But after watching 663 of his carries, and witnessing an undrafted backup averaging 4.5 yards over 122 carries during his two seasons with the same team, I'd objectively evaluate Najee's performance as lackluster, given his pedigree and draft position -- and my support for him is wearing a bit thin.

Now compare the offensive lines that he has had to the league average. Najee is also used in short yardage a lot more than Warren, that brings down his average somewhat. He’s definitely trying to do too much at times but so is Pickett.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Now compare the offensive lines that he has had to the league average. Najee is also used in short yardage a lot more than Warren, that brings down his average somewhat. He’s definitely trying to do too much at times but so is Pickett.

Even compared to other running backs with bad run-blocking offensive lines, Harris performs poorly. I have YPC info listed in some other thread from a month or two ago.

 

[FordFairLane]

Why does everyone want to scapegoat on this board. I mean the argument can literally be turned around. It’s not Pickett, it’s Canada. It could easily be said it’s not Canada, it’s Pickett. Canada had has had over the hill Ben, Trubisky, and a rookie KP. It’s not Najee, it’s the oline! Maybe it’s not the oline, but Najee. I see him missing holes every single game multiple times. Or maybe, just maybe it’s a combination. I think if you put Kenny Pickett on the Dolphins he doesn’t sniff Tua’s numbers. I think if you put Mahomes on the Steelers the offense does better but Mahomes does worse. I think if you put Najee behind the Eagles or Miami’s line he runs better but doesn’t hit 5ypc. I have been saying it from the start we have plenty of blame to go around. Starts with Art and move your way down.

 

[slashsteel]

Tua has been in the league longer than Kenny. At one point the fans wasn't sure he would develop. And he did.

Same with Kenny nobody knows what the Steelers have with Kenny.

This weirdo never gets tired of talking about Kenny. Just as bad as he was pumping up Rudolph. Just constant what if your Uncle was your Aunt babble.


Find another target /agenda it is ridiculous mambo chahambo over and over again. I mean it is every day or every other day the same garbage.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Why does everyone want to scapegoat on this board. I mean the argument can literally be turned around. It’s not Pickett, it’s Canada. It could easily be said it’s not Canada, it’s Pickett. Canada had has had over the hill Ben, Trubisky, and a rookie KP. It’s not Najee, it’s the oline! Maybe it’s not the oline, but Najee. I see him missing holes every single game multiple times. Or maybe, just maybe it’s a combination. I think if you put Kenny Pickett on the Dolphins he doesn’t sniff Tua’s numbers. I think if you put Mahomes on the Steelers the offense does better but Mahomes does worse. I think if you put Najee behind the Eagles or Miami’s line he runs better but doesn’t hit 5ypc. I have been saying it from the start we have plenty of blame to go around. Starts with Art and move your way down.

Because people want to see something change. An easy move was firing Canada after last season (he never should've been hired in the first place) and we'd have a better idea about Pickett. An easy move was keeping Broderick Jones in the starting lineup, but instead Dan Moore continues to start. Instead it's the same crap each week with no solutions because we don't see any change. I agree it's a collective issue, but want to at least see something change.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Why does everyone want to scapegoat on this board. I mean the argument can literally be turned around. It’s not Pickett, it’s Canada. It could easily be said it’s not Canada, it’s Pickett. Canada had has had over the hill Ben, Trubisky, and a rookie KP. It’s not Najee, it’s the oline! Maybe it’s not the oline, but Najee. I see him missing holes every single game multiple times. Or maybe, just maybe it’s a combination. I think if you put Kenny Pickett on the Dolphins he doesn’t sniff Tua’s numbers. I think if you put Mahomes on the Steelers the offense does better but Mahomes does worse. I think if you put Najee behind the Eagles or Miami’s line he runs better but doesn’t hit 5ypc. I have been saying it from the start we have plenty of blame to go around. Starts with Art and move your way down.

BS. Canada and his predecessor neutered Big Ben. So I can make the argument that this ****** offense being called by Canada, and that is being called out by opposing def teams is the reason. One of them.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Tua has been in the league longer than Kenny. At one point the fans wasn't sure he would develop. And he did.

Same with Kenny nobody knows what the Steelers have with Kenny.

This weirdo never gets tired of talking about Kenny. Just as bad as he was pumping up Rudolph. Just constant what if your Uncle was your Aunt babble.


Find another target /agenda it is ridiculous mambo chahambo over and over again. I mean it is every day or every other day the same garbage.

I don't see the Steelers taking the approach the Dolphins and Eagles did with their QBs. Both drafted a speedy receiver high, hired an offensive-minded head coach, and then traded for an alpha No. 1 receiver. Yes, the Steelers drafted Pickens, but Tomlin isn't going anywhere. Are the going to go out and find the best offensive coordinator available? Will Khan follow that up by trading for a top receiver? For the right price Adams and Jefferson could probably both be had this offseason.

 

[Drink IRON City]

And in that one game, he averaged 3.4 yards per carry, even less than his poor season number. So what's your point?

Najee rushed the ball 307 times in 2021 and averaged 3.9 yards per carry. The league average was 4.3.
Najee rushed the ball 272 times in 2022 and averaged 3.8 yards per carry. The league average was 4.5.
Najee has rushed the ball 84 times in 2023 and is averaging 3.7 yards per carry. The league average is 4.1.

As I said, I thought the guy was a good choice for the Steelers. But after watching 663 of his carries, and witnessing an undrafted backup averaging 4.5 yards over 122 carries during his two seasons with the same team, I'd objectively evaluate Najee's performance as lackluster, given his pedigree and draft position -- and my support for him is wearing a bit thin.

Thanks for the stats, I’m moving towards this as well. I’ve defended him with the O’Canada excuse, but its hard to argue the point of Warren and being in the same offense.

Hind sight is always 20 / 20, but Creed Humphrey being there twice, was a huge mistake in not taking him, especially when a RB is taken in the 1st round. Total miss fire.


Salute the nation

 

[slashsteel]

I don't see the Steelers taking the approach the Dolphins and Eagles did with their QBs. Both drafted a speedy receiver high, hired an offensive-minded head coach, and then traded for an alpha No. 1 receiver. Yes, the Steelers drafted Pickens, but Tomlin isn't going anywhere. Are the going to go out and find the best offensive coordinator available? Will Khan follow that up by trading for a top receiver? For the right price Adams and Jefferson could probably both be had this offseason.

Yeah I wouldn't put stock in much happening until they clean house. I could see another OC but not sure they would bringing the right option. Now as far as bringing in Kenny help I could see them willing to add an option or two. Seems like Omar and Andy are the aggressive type.

I also would be ok with drafting a QB in rounds 2-4 and shuffle out Rudolph and Mitch. But not sure they would do that either.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Yeah I wouldn't put stock in much happening until they clean house. I could see another OC but not sure they would bringing the right option. Now as far as bringing in Kenny help I could see them willing to add an option or two. Seems like Omar and Andy are the aggressive type.

I also would be ok with drafting a QB in rounds 2-4 and shuffle out Rudolph and Mitch. But not sure they would do that either.

Mitch is being paid way too much for what he brings to the table, jettison him and keep Rudy as that veteran back up. Bring in the 3rd round prospect, that can compete for #2 or #1…….. NOT just a clipboard carrier.

THEN invest in the trenches, Heavy———— 1st and 2nd round.

 

[FordFairLane]

BS. Canada and his predecessor neutered Big Ben. So I can make the argument that this ****** offense being called by Canada, and that is being called out by opposing def teams is the reason. One of them.

Ben had no arm after the injury and legs has been gone well before. He was 3/4 of the QB he was before.

And how about this.

Mike Tomlin on the slow start offensively against the Jaguars: “The early portions of the game don’t decide the outcome. It usually doesn’t. It didn’t today. Obviously, we want more fluid starts, but it didn’t determine the outcome of the game.”

So this is Mike Tomlin’s quote. This is what I’m reading into it. He wants to play it close then try to come out in the 4th quarter and take that close game and try to win it. Makes sense when you think about Canada, Fichtner, and Haley. Not saying Canada’s offense is awesome but this vanilla low scoring game plan has been around before him.

 

[Sonofnun777]

Thank you for this post! Harris is not good. He runs "straight up" makes maybe 2/3 yards or less -! Sanders from Lions didn't have a good line but no one questions his running ability and heart! Keep WARREN get rid of HARRIS! PLEASE LORD

 

[bermudasteel]

Correct me if I am wrong, we ran the ball in total 12 times and tossed it 40 times. How can we state dude blows when he never gets the rock?

Look I’m not trying to defend him, but it’s hard to evaluate him when his OC is ******* horrible, the Oline is ******* pathetic.

Najee is hated/disrepected because he is not Jerome Bettis. That is what his haters want. He’s not that.

You are 100% correct in your assessment. 90% of the time Najee is on the field- it’s a running play. Coach Canada rarely calls play action so the defense meets Najee in the backfield more often than not.

The Warren supporters feel he’s better and I like them both because of the change up it gives the defense. Both block well and catch out of the backfield.

Stupid play calls and lackluster blocking explains why both backs are bottom of the barrel right now…

 

[bermudasteel]

The excuses are so worn out...NO ONE CARES.....Sometimes you just gotta be able to perform in spite of your situation, who you work with & who your coaches are...At my job I HAVE to produce cause I get paid on sales...Rain can **** me up, my managers have several glaring flaws in their coaching skills, because they leave it all up to me and are hands off, our prices can **** me up, I can be sick & still have to go to work, & I still have to perform...

AND I DO....Take responsibility & stop making excuses...NO ONE CARES

Not at all the same scenario as we’ve been talking about, but I am glad you’re a top performer…

 

[insaniti]

Najee is hated/disrepected because he is not Jerome Bettis. That is what his haters want. He’s not that.

You are 100% correct in your assessment. 90% of the time Najee is on the field- it’s a running play. Coach Canada rarely calls play action so the defense meets Najee in the backfield more often than not.

The Warren supporters feel he’s better and I like them both because of the change up it gives the defense. Both block well and catch out of the backfield.

Stupid play calls and lackluster blocking explains why both backs are bottom of the barrel right now…

This, and I'll add that Harris is a vocal leader. He's staying after with the O line to try and figure this out. He's holding players only meetings. He's a great teammate. There's a lot to like about the guy, unfortunately he stuck with a **** offensive system, like the rest of our skill positions. We drafted two TE'S, (sure Muth is hurt right now), but we never throw to them. Does Washington even have a target this year? That Williams bum got two and dropped them both...