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Art Rooney II is not committed to a winning organization…. There I said it

ExUSAF said:
Winning is filling the stands and making a profit. Winning on the field is secondary. When the stands start thinning out and the merchandise no longer sells you might see a change but if the majority of fans still go to the games and buy the merchandise why should he change the formula?
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Revenue sharing. The majority of their revenue comes from the TV deals. Local revenue is only: Ticket sales (60% of gross to home team. 40% goes to the league to be split among the 32) Concessions and parking, which are split between the team and stadium ownership. And corporate sponsorships with the local team.

So, it doesn't matter if you don't buy that Steelers jersey/ cap/ whatever you have been lusting after, old man Rooney still gets his cut from the merchandise sales of the other 31. Doesn't matter if you don't go to the games as he gets a cut of that 40% the other 31 collect at the gate. Will it hurt him if the stadium is at half capacity for example? Of course it would, but how long did Mike Brown let the Bungles wallow in their own feces as he laughed all the way to the bank still pulling in millions? Brown let that team suck for over 20 years without giving a rat's azz about their record. Small market teams will always get enough casual fans in the seats anyway since in most small markets entertainment choices are limited.

That's where we are at with our version of Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis. Lewis was there for 15 years of suckage collecting checks.....you think Mikey T. is going anywhere? "Obviously" not.... LOL.
 
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SteelerInLebanon said:
THey don't fire him because they have no Steelers way reason to fire him. We don't since 1969 fire head coaches. It has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with Steelers Tradition and the fact he is a good coach. He isn't perfect for sure but he hasn't been so bad as to warrant being fired by a team that doesn't fire head coaches.

As for the idea Art doesn't want to win I find that complete and utter rubbish.
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Art may want to win, but is satisfied with 9-8 instead of winning a playoff game. Don't want to overdue it with a trip to the Super Bowl or anything like that.
 
Gildong Sack said:
Revenue sharing. The majority of their revenue comes from the TV deals. Local revenue is only: Ticket sales (60% of gross to home team. 40% goes to the league to be split among the 32) Concessions and parking, which are split between the team and stadium ownership. And corporate sponsorships with the local team.

So, it doesn't matter if you don't buy that Steelers Jersey/ cap/ whatever you have been lusting after, old man Rooney still gets his cut from the merchandise sales of the other 31. Doesn't matter if you don't go to the games as he gets a cut of that 40% the other 31 collect at the gate. Will it hurt him if the stadium is at half capacity for example? Of course it would, but how long did Mike Brown let the Bungles wallow in their own feces as he laughed all the way to the bank still pulling in millions? Brown let that team suck for over 20 years without giving a rat's azz about their record. Small market teams will always get enough casual fans in the seats anyway as in most small markets entertainment choices are limited.

That's where we are at with our version of Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis. Lewis was their for 15 years of suckage collecting checks.....you think Mikey T. is going anywhere? "Obviously" not.... LOL.
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And like I said earlier, it will be a while until that 13 year waiting list for season tickets gets pared down to actual unsold empty seats. You might see some empty seats now but it doesn’t really matter to Deuce because they’re still bought and paid for.
In 2020 it was speculated that Nutting actually made more money with no fans at PNC Park because he didn’t have to pay anyone to work there.
 
Troglodyte said:
Futility is bad, Tomlin has been futile at correcting the teams problems and winning a playoff game for six seasons going on seven.

I never said Rooney doesn’t want to win, but it’s quite evident he tolerates it.
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the Rooney statement wasn't aimed at you.
 
Mike Tomlin has influenced football talkers far and wide with his riddles and rhymes. " In the room", in the building, are a couple sayings repeated by them.

That's a contribution.
 
4-1 down 16-6 we line up in shotgun and bunch wide receivers… ball snapped goat*k ensues quarterback injured…. Need I say more? My blood runs deep in wpa… football matters… THAT AINT HOW WE PLAY FOOTBALLLL!!! Time for Art Rooney II to step down! he can’t deal with Tomlin’s race! That makes him a racist! That generation dropped the ball on race. Everyone agrees! the nation has learned and moved on you have to disregard race and be fair and honest with dealing with ppl! regardless of race!! Rooney can’t do that! Tomlins suks as a head coach!! its that simple! He never had a losing season… yes because hes had talent! like a HOF qb! His choices of coordinators is ridiculous!! Rooney step down! Rooney step down! Rooney step down!!
 
Vincent said:
What do you think HCMT has accomplished, exactly? By himself. With the staff he built. With the players he drafted and developed. If you will.
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I think this may be a secret Browns or Bengals fan trying to convince us of the wisdom of keeping Tomlin - much like I was so happy when Marvin Lewis was renewed as the Bengals HC.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
THey don't fire him because they have no Steelers way reason to fire him. We don't since 1969 fire head coaches. It has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with Steelers Tradition and the fact he is a good coach. He isn't perfect for sure but he hasn't been so bad as to warrant being fired by a team that doesn't fire head coaches.

As for the idea Art doesn't want to win I find that complete and utter rubbish.
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What has The Deuce done, for you, to elevate the Steelers?
 
madinsomniac said:
Like we don’t really skimp on players… we can’t pay everybody of course, but we don’t float way under the cap or only hand out under market value deals…
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Since the 2010 collective bargaining agreement no team has been able to float way under the salary cap as every team's player payroll over a period of time (I believe it was 5 years under the 2010 agreement) is subject to a salary floor which forces every team to spend up to the salary cap on players i.e. player payments are effectively a fixed cost.
 
ExUSAF said:
Trade him to who??? What franchise owner is dumb enough to give him a second glance? We might get away with getting picks with our cast-off WRs but I can't believe other owner can't see him for the fraud he is.
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Outside of Pittsburgh Tomlin is highly revered. If he quit today, he'd have another job tomorrow.
Outside of Pittsburgh no losing seasons is a big deal.

Consider Andy Reid. He won a lot in Philly but failed to win the big one.
Fired by Philly after 14 yrs. and immediately snatched up by KC. You know the rest of the story.

I believe many owners envision Tomlin being able to put their team over that hump as well.
 
Out of frustration and desperation we are looking for answers.

It's no secret the Rooney family have always been proud Pittsburghers. Proud to be from Pittsburgh, proud of its history, and proud of its people. Art II continues to devote much of his time to the community.
To think Art is just in it for the money is a hard pill to swallow. I believe Art yearns to hoist another Lombardi.

But not for him. For us, for Pittsburgh.
 
slashsteel said:
Well if he wants more than that he is going to have to tweak some coaching positions himself.
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Dan did it with Coach Cowher, I wonder if Art 2 has the gumption to do near the same?

A purge is needed and ownership (namely controlling ownership) needs to see that.


Salute the nation
 
Stewey said:
Outside of Pittsburgh Tomlin is highly revered. If he quit today, he'd have another job tomorrow.
Outside of Pittsburgh no losing seasons is a big deal.

Consider Andy Reid. He won a lot in Philly but failed to win the big one.
Fired by Philly after 14 yrs. and immediately snatched up by KC. You know the rest of the story.

I believe many owners envision Tomlin being able to put their team over that hump as well.
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I’d like to test this theory, not the snatch part but the over the hump part……………

A-N-D

A side benefit would be Tomlin being elsewhere.


Salute the nation
 
slashsteel said:
Well if he wants more than that he is going to have to tweak some coaching positions himself.
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The only way coaches will get changed is if Deuce and Omar do it.
Assuming Canaduh makes it to the end of the season, I guarantee Shades will be the one banging his fist on the desk wanting him back.
The only way this works is if they do like they did with Haley where the FO hires someone and tells Shades to leave them the **** alone.
 
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Troglodyte said:
Futility is bad, Tomlin has been futile at correcting the teams problems and winning a playoff game for six seasons going on seven.

I never said Rooney doesn’t want to win, but it’s quite evident he tolerates it.
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The arrow is pointing down and has been since 2011.
Longest stretch without a playoff win since Noll was hired in 1969 (and went 1-13 in his first season).
Only HC to give up 40+ points in three consecutive playoff games, all losses.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
The arrow is pointing down and has been since 2011.
Longest stretch without a playoff win since Noll was hired in 1969 (and went 1-13 in his first season).
Only HC to give up 40+ points in three consecutive playoff games, all losses.
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Before Tomlin the Steelers proudly stood alone in winning the most Super Bowls. Under Tomlin the Steelers became co-owners of that record with the Pats.
If San Fran or Dallas surpasses us it will have been under Tomlin.

You wonder how he can live with himself knowing that under his watch this once proud franchise has devolved into mediocre has-beens. That he is responsible.
He should do the right thing and resign.
 
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Stewey said:
Before Tomlin the Steelers proudly stood alone in winning the most Super Bowls. Under Tomlin the Steelers became co-owners of that record with the Pats.
If San Fran or Dallas surpasses us it will have been under Tomlin.

You wonder how he can live with himself knowing that under his watch this once proud franchise has devolved into mediocre has-beens. That he is responsible.
He should do the right thing and resign.
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In fairness, neither Shades or Chin ever beat Belicheat and Brady in a game that mattered and their offense was kryptonite to LeBeau’s defense. When they were busy getting to 3 Super Bowls in 6 years, at no time did they have to face the Cheats in the playoffs.
But never a losing season, greatest coach ever.
 
So there is talk and again let me emphasize talk that possibly in the near future that Art II is getting ready to turn it over to son Danny. The “talk” if you will from those who know son Danny, he’s like grandpa Dan very much grew up in the business and has had lots of different responsibilities like Dan when he was young. Let’s face it, Art II by profession is a lawyer which is fine but he’s simply not as passionate as his dad and grandpa. Not saying he doesn’t love the Steelers, I’m sure he does, but the passion doesn’t seem to be there. It’s the family business that was passed on to him and he pretty much has been set at 55 mph cruise control where his dad always had his foot pedal to the metal. Supposedly Danny is like Dan the grandpa. Could be sooner than expected! Keep in mind Art II will be 72 years old and could be ready to retire.
 
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