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Do we have Pat penis envy?(or does POP just like the taste of Brady's balls)

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I'm still trying to find a connection of how the Falcons possibly doing this and getting caught now makes the Patriots a beacon of ethical superiority and sportsmanship instead of the cheating scumbags that they are widely known as. Not seeing one. They can take away the Falcons entire 2015 draft for all I care. But if they do, the punishment for the Patriots* needs to be twice as severe just because they are repeat and unrepentant cheaters.
 
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Part of the issue is the leagues long standing "bury all transgressions" attitude to cheating that stems back through it's founding. Teams just aren't scared of getting caught unless the Press makes a big deal about it... Bad PR is punished, not bad sportsmanship...
 
The NFL proves it is bullshit by the way they handle the pats*** now and the way they handled them in the past.
 
what was the conclusion of your scientific experiments on the matter

Curious minds want to know............... Fluck the cheaters.

If, as they should, get punished, then the cheatriots need more severe punishment!!!!!




Salute the nation
 
If the Pats win, someone needs to put a big dent in the top of that Lombardi so it accurately depicts a deflated ball....
 
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Cheating Bastiges From New England Who Suddenly Have To Play With Fully Inflated Balls 24
 
If the Pats win, someone needs to put a big dent in the top of that Lombardi so it accurately depicts a deflated ball....

If settle for someone throwing a deflated ball onto the field during the game.
 
avg NFL career length: 3.3 years.
avg NBA career length: 4.8 years

Any questions, wet toot?

Really? Not according to your other buddy, Roger Goodell. From nflcommunications.com on 4/18/11:

Commissioner Roger Goodell clarified a myth about the average career length of an NFL player during a recent conference call with season ticket holders of the San Diego Chargers.

One fan on the conference call said she has read many times that the average career length of an NFL player is about three years, adding it seemed so many played much longer than that. She asked Commissioner Goodell about his knowledge of NFL career length

“There is a little bit of a misrepresentation or a misunderstanding on that. Frequently, it is said that the average career is about 3.5 years. In fact, if a player makes an opening day roster, his career is very close to six years,” Commissioner Goodell said. “If you are a first-round draft choice, the average career is close to nine years. That 3.5-year average is really a misrepresentation. What it adds is a lot of players who don’t make an NFL roster and it brings down the average.”

According to a recent NFL Management Council analysis of players who entered the NFL between 1993 and 2002, the average career length for a player who is on his club’s opening-day roster as a rookie is 6.0 years.

That 6.0 average is 88 percent higher than NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith’s recent claim.

“The fundamental principle of our business model necessarily includes that every player only plays for an average of 3.2 years,” Smith said in a March 31 forum with MBA students at the University of Virginia.

Following are the facts from the career-length analysis (using regular-season and postseason rosters):

The average career length for a player who makes a club’s opening-day roster (active/inactive roster or injured reserve) in his rookie season is 6.0 years.
The average career length for a player with at least three pension-credited seasons* is 7.1 years (*a player receives a pension credit for each season in which he spends at least three games on an active/inactive roster and/or injured reserve).
The average career length for a first-round draft pick is 9.3 years.
The average career length for a player who is selected for or plays in at least one Pro Bowl is 11.7 years. Of the 318 players who began careers between 1993 and 2002 and made the Pro Bowl at least once, 113 of those players – 36 percent – were on a club’s roster in 2010.



And even using your numbers, the fact that NBA players may have longer average careers doesn't prove that NBA rosters are more stable. They just latch on with different franchises. 25 guys have played for at least 9 DIFFERENT teams in their NBA careers, 4 of whom have played for TWELVE teams.

Any questions? No...there is simply no question that you like the taste of Brady's balls. And that you must have given the front of your shorts a serious wet-down when Seattle threw that ridiculous INT instead of handing the ball to Lynch.
 
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LOL, you consider yourself Freud.

They should be punished. They broke a rule. Is this their first, 2nd, 3rd offense? That should determine how much.

In the *Patriots case, this is the latest of many transgressions, and as such, the penalty should be steep.

Just heard Sal Palantonio say on the radio..."expect that if the league finds a shred of evidence that the *Patriots were responsible for the deflated balls that the punishment will be very, VERY severe."

As well it should be.

I have no problem what the league decides.

I'm just curious why you guys don't all have your panties in a bunch and yell like little girls at a New Kids on the Block concert and make a 15 page thread about it.

Oh, that's right. You don't treat the Patriots ANY different around here. You're all unbiased.....

What a crock of ****.
 
Yes, let's try our very hardest to point fingers at everyone else.

Anything to distract the masses from the truth. Sadly, even if you could find the slightest crack to wedge your desperate toes into all you'd be doing is proving that the entire enterprise is corrupt and the **'s merely the rotten core, the epitome of cheating excellence that have far surpassed the pathetic attempts of other sad and fledgling enterprises.

All you can do is demonstrate how far the **'s have gone to destroy the league with their cheating. That they cheat so much and have done so for so long that they tempt other teams to do so as commonplace... is THAT your argument now?

Do I type words at your fingertips? Do I make your own pathetic arguments for you? Because your efforts to defend the **'s are so sad SOMEBODY has to do it for you.
 
I have no problem what the league decides.

I'm just curious why you guys don't all have your panties in a bunch and yell like little girls at a New Kids on the Block concert and make a 15 page thread about it.

Oh, that's right. You don't treat the Patriots ANY different around here. You're all unbiased.....

What a crock of ****.

How many times have the Falcons been caught cheating? The Saints? The *Patriots?

Therein lies the issue. Teams that cheat should be punished for it. Teams that cheat repeatedly should be dealt with in a severe enough way as to curtail any thoughts of future cheating they might have.

The NFL has not contained the beast...and the team persists on bending the rules. Thus the reason that they are the most hated sports team...on the planet.

In 2007, it was reported that complaints about rules infractions levied against the *Patriots to the league office was more than ten-fold higher than any team in the NFL. I don't know what the recent numbers are, but the pattern has been persistent. The NFL has had the opportunity to curtail their ways, and has not.

Instead of coming down on your "fellow Steeler" fans, perhaps you should direct your vitriol towards the league office, that hasn't controlled the problem. Until they do, all fans, and especially bettors, have every right to be suspect and angry.
 
Instead of coming down on your "fellow Steeler" fans, perhaps you should direct your vitriol towards the league office, that hasn't controlled the problem. Until they do, all fans, and especially bettors, have every right to be suspect and angry.

That'd probably be the only way the league would do something, is if Vegas stopped taking bets on all Pats* games.
 
That'd probably be the only way the league would do something, is if Vegas stopped taking bets on all Pats* games.

If you read Spygate the Untold Story, the stats are laid out on how many times the *Patriots beat Vegas. They are the only team on the planet in any sport that has ever consistently beaten Vegas. It's eye popping. They are a statistical outlier in this category too.

If it's ever found that they consistently cheated and altered the outcome of games, as I've stated before, expect a landslide of class action law suits from bettors who lost on *Patriots games over the decade+. It would bankrupt the NFL.

The NFL has every reason (self preservation) to keep the story undercover.
 
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I'm supposed to believe this guy is the greatest qb of our time...

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And when he gets hurt, some guy who never played in college wins 11 games. (or was it 12?)

And their genius coach, his coaching tree is a toothpick.

Oh, all of our secondary is hurt, just put a WR back there. It's all good.

My guess is question 1 of their draft prospect is "Can you keep a secret?"

No one will ever convince me they aren't cheating. And it's a hell of a lot more than just deflated footballs.
 
I'm supposed to believe this guy is the greatest qb of our time...

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And when he gets hurt, some guy who never played in college wins 11 games. (or was it 12?)

And their genius coach, his coaching tree is a toothpick.

Oh, all of our secondary is hurt, just put a WR back there. It's all good.

My guess is question 1 of their draft prospect is "Can you keep a secret?"

No one will ever convince me they aren't cheating. And it's a hell of a lot more than just deflated footballs.

Yup. They've been cheating all along. The NFL has covered it up for years. I'm sure they'd love to find cheating on Atlanta. That way they can use the "See other teams cheat too". If they'd ever raid the pats** offices I'm sure they'd find out cheating is systemic.
 
Deflated balss are what they've been caught at, most recently. How much "other" stuff goes on? I have never heard of teams complaining of their headsets malfunctioning, at Hinze field. What's the word at Patsie land? How about their NON-fumble season? How much filming waqs done? Helmet head set malfunction? you get the drift.......... they are the CHEATERS, they set the epitome of where to go, to cheat.




Salute the nation
 
If you read Spygate the Untold Story, the stats are laid out on how many times the *Patriots beat Vegas. They are the only team on the planet in any sport that has ever consistently beaten Vegas. It's eye popping. They are a statistical outlier in this category too.

If it's ever found that they consistently cheated and altered the outcome of games, as I've stated before, expect a landslide of class action law suits from bettors who lost on *Patriots games over the decade+. It would bankrupt the NFL.

The NFL has every reason (self preservation) to keep the story undercover.

Do you even know what a statistical outlier is? This is the Dumbest allegation ever. Vegas is in business to make money, so they are dealing with an Outlier in NE? What would you think they would do? Keep doing the same damn thing over and over, saying golly gee the Pats beat us again? Get real.

They would adjust the lines until that Outlier disappeared. Have you seen out of line odds, spreads and over/unders on NE games? Nah, I didn't think so. That whole book is nothing but the ravings of a dude on the outer fringes of the tinfoil hat community. Makes you look stupid when you refer to the "secret allegations".
 
You **'s fans just can't stand the idea that everyone gets it.

Your team ******* cheats. We have no use for you. Go watch soccer. Leave our sport alone. We don't accept your team or your accomplishments. As far as I'm concerned the Superbowl didn't have an AFC representative this year due to a cheating scandal perpetrated by the **'s

AGAIN
 
They're coming to the wrong place if they want some type of acceptance here. That team is a joke.**** As far as I'm concerned Bradshaw&Montana still stand alone. That **** Brady couldn't even carry their jock on his best day.
 
If Brady got hit like this, he'd retire.

 
based on the Pats cheating to get to the Super Bowl, I don't see why any team going forward would not intentionally "misinterpret" the rules.
 
Supe, that's just what the **'s would like.

That would validate how they've done things.
 
based on the Pats cheating to get to the Super Bowl, I don't see why any team going forward would not intentionally "misinterpret" the rules.



Hey, why not? As long as you're pals with Goodell it's all a OK. Nothing to see here move along. They're either really super slick in their clandestine cheating projects or the NFL as a whole is just bullshit. I know the rest of the world outside of the dumbshit patsterisk**** fans think they're a bunch of cheating ********.
 
OMG, the dipshits cometh...

Do you even know what a statistical outlier is?

Indeed, I do. I've actually sat through and passed arduous statistics courses in college. What about you? I'm quite confident I not only know the definition of an outlier, I can spot one too.

This is the Dumbest allegation ever. Vegas is in business to make money, so they are dealing with an Outlier in NE? What would you think they would do? Keep doing the same damn thing over and over, saying golly gee the Pats beat us again? Get real.

They would adjust the lines until that Outlier disappeared. Have you seen out of line odds, spreads and over/unders on NE games? Nah, I didn't think so. That whole book is nothing but the ravings of a dude on the outer fringes of the tinfoil hat community. Makes you look stupid when you refer to the "secret allegations".

You've just put your foot in your proverbial mouth. Let's go to Chapter 12 of "SpyGate The Untold Story" - Against the Spread

Anyone who has ever been to Las Vegas knows that games of chance are devised so that the house wins more than it loses. After all, Las Vegas was not built by fools. The big casinos spend millions of dollars watching for players who are winning in ways that should be impossible. If a player rolls craps for two hours without losing, the house does not hand the player a trophy, they show the player to a private room with very large men waiting. Those men will give the player a heart to heart discussion on the laws of probability and chance. They may even work in a few lessons on the laws of gravity. In short, the house identifies a cheater by those who are winning too often.

National Football League wagering in the USA is a gigantic business. On football games, over $7 billion is wagered each week, and nearly $9 billion is wagered on the Super Bowl game each year. To bet on a football game, you can simply choose the team you think will win, and then get paid if you are right. A bet of that nature is called the “money line” bet.

But that is not the way most gamblers bet on football games. The most common way to bet on football uses what is called the spread or line. A line will be expressed like this:

DALLAS -3 Arizona
Dallas is favored in this game. The capital letters means Dallas is playing at home. If you want to bet on Dallas you have to “give up” three points to the house. This means Dallas must win by more than three points for you to win your bet. To be declared the winner and collect your money, Dallas must “cover” the three points you gave the house when placing the bet. Any close game (under 3 points) or an outright win by the underdog Arizona Cardinals results in you losing the bet. If Dallas were to win by exactly 3, the bet is a tie and your bet is returned.

The professionals setting the lines in Vegas use part science, part art. They start with known variables like defensive and offensive strength versus opponents, recent performance, injuries, a team’s record on grass verses artificial turf, etc. Then the major sports books post the lines to fine-tune their collective intelligence, essentially comparing notes. Their aim is to predict the score of each matchup as accurately as possible.

However, the ultimate goal of the house is to get approximately the same amount of money wagered on each team in every game. This is the goal, because the sports books charge a 10% “vigorish” on losing bets, while winning bets are paid off with even money. If you want to bet $100 on a game, you either win $100 or lose $110. If half of the bets are placed on the favorite, and half are placed on the underdog, the house “makes money every game. The winners are paid by the losers’ wagers and the house nets the 10% vig at zero risk.

What this means to the bettor is important; a line may start with a prediction of point differential, but it will move in order to entice bettors to place money on the underdog. The resulting line makes the favored team’s line even harder for that team to cover. The bookies are essentially bribing bettors to even out their wagering book. Good teams who cover the spread consistently are bad news for Las Vegas sports books because this is where all the public money is bet. Non-professional gamblers love favorites. If there is an imbalance of betting money, it is usually on the favorite side of each game.

A team using a cheating system would be winning in unpredictable ways that could not be accounted for by the professionals setting the Vegas lines. The core of a betting line is known variables, but what of unknown variables like the highly effective Spygate system? Even non-football variables like the altitude in Denver can be accounted for, if one can prove that advantage exists. However, if the secret “Spygate system was giving the Patriots an advantage and altering the score of the game, then the Patriots should have margins of victory that are beyond what was predicted. Said another way, the Patriots would have a very good record of winning games, Against The Spread (ATS).

It is one thing to beat the Arizona Cardinals on the field; it is quite another to beat the house in Las Vegas. It is important to note that a very good team can still have a weak record against the spread. A team could win most every game but not cover the spread very often. Good teams naturally face large point spreads.

[For this study we used team’s performance against the spread as reported by three sources: SportsRumble, BantheBook, and BetVegas websites. When all three did not agree, we used the numbers two sources agreed upon. The outcome of the study was not altered by the difference in these various sources.]

by Miao Zang PhD Statistical Science
Part III: Against The Spread Analysis (Regular Season Only)

Let us look at the histogram of team performance against the spread for eleven seasons from 2001 to 2011. The distributions of wins against the betting lines (covers) of all NFL teams are in Figure 3.

The center is close to zero, indicating that most teams win and lose around 50/50 against the spread, and the distribution is also symmetric and bell shaped. This assures us that this analysis follows basic statistical rules of a population study. All numbers are expressed as net numbers (93 wins with 80 losses nets 13 winning bets).

The Patriots have won 105 games and lost 67 games (6 ties) against the spread for an amazing +38 net winning bets. By winning 38 net games, the Patriots are once again nearly three standard deviations away from the league average. After calculations, the average ATS of all NFL teams is 0.34 and the standard deviation of 13.18.

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...to be continued...
 
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