Deflate-gate......God I hate the Pats!!!!

[Confluence]

And I've said already it's more suspicious to me that the Colts balls were still above 12.5 than the Patriots were below 12.5.

That doesn't make any sense unless the Colts equipment guys 1) inflated the balls pregame much close to 13.5 than 12.5 and 2) possibly kept the balls warmer or more dry than allowed.

To me that's the only scientific explanation.

There is no test to run because the balls the Patriots provided the refs are DIFFERENT than the balls the Colts provided the referees. We know that for fact but we will never know HOW they were different. It sounds like to me the inspection process by the refs is not recorded.

All I know is some scientists (with a pretty good background in sports science and concussion analysis) did a test with 12 NFL footballs out of the box, pumped them up to 12.5 psi in a 75 degree room, got the balls wet, took them to a 50 degree room, waited a couple hours during the process and re-measure the psi as (coincidentally) 1.75 to 1.95 psi lower.

No one hear really even explained this too me. Do you think these scientist have another agenda? Do you think they are Patriots fans? Really? I give you PROOF that temperature and moisture can GREATLY impact the pressure in a football and you guys all ignore it. Because you've ALL MADE UP YOUR MINDS the minute you heard Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, the Patriots and Cheating in the same sentence. And don't tell me you didn't.

You're all biased. Which is why your "opinion" doesn't really mean all the much. I've seen the way you talk about the Patriots prior to this. You're all biased. You're all in the guilty until proven innocent group. And you fully admit not putting any scientific or non-biased analysis into your conclusions.

That's fine. But I'm not going to sit hear and just accept it as fact. The more I read about air pressure in footballs, the more RESEARCH I do, the more it's entirely plausible that air pressure in footballs often, if not always, goes below 12.5 psi on cold, wet days like the Patriots played in. And it's more fishy to me to try and understand why the Colts' football somehow magically retained their pressure despite physics saying it's impossible.

half a story and arrogance, mixed with increasing paranoia, makes your "version" more like crazy-talk. Your reasoning may prove to be part of the solution, but your pigheadedness in the face of logic correcting your flawed premise leaves you strangely embittered and defensive.

Chill dude....it'll lower your internal pressure a bit.....maybe.

 

[LeXX75]

And I've said already it's more suspicious to me that the Colts balls were still above 12.5 than the Patriots were below 12.5.

That doesn't make any sense unless the Colts equipment guys 1) inflated the balls pregame much close to 13.5 than 12.5 and 2) possibly kept the balls warmer or more dry than allowed.

To me that's the only scientific explanation.

There is no test to run because the balls the Patriots provided the refs are DIFFERENT than the balls the Colts provided the referees. We know that for fact but we will never know HOW they were different. It sounds like to me the inspection process by the refs is not recorded.

All I know is some scientists (with a pretty good background in sports science and concussion analysis) did a test with 12 NFL footballs out of the box, pumped them up to 12.5 psi in a 75 degree room, got the balls wet, took them to a 50 degree room, waited a couple hours during the process and re-measure the psi as (coincidentally) 1.75 to 1.95 psi lower.

No one hear really even explained this too me. Do you think these scientist have another agenda? Do you think they are Patriots fans? Really? I give you PROOF that temperature and moisture can GREATLY impact the pressure in a football and you guys all ignore it. Because you've ALL MADE UP YOUR MINDS the minute you heard Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, the Patriots and Cheating in the same sentence. And don't tell me you didn't.

You're all biased. Which is why your "opinion" doesn't really mean all the much. I've seen the way you talk about the Patriots prior to this. You're all biased. You're all in the guilty until proven innocent group. And you fully admit not putting any scientific or non-biased analysis into your conclusions.

That's fine. But I'm not going to sit hear and just accept it as fact. The more I read about air pressure in footballs, the more RESEARCH I do, the more it's entirely plausible that air pressure in footballs often, if not always, goes below 12.5 psi on cold, wet days like the Patriots played in. And it's more fishy to me to try and understand why the Colts' football somehow magically retained their pressure despite physics saying it's impossible.

So we are all biased so our opinion means not much...and you are the great and powerful Oz and yours means all...please del...our opinions mean as much as yours does..why would yours have more weight than ours..You switch from oh its the Colts who did something weird to their balls to ..oh other teams have known about the Pats doing this but have just been saving it..
Which is it?
Spin it anyway you want ..you have your opinion which means no more than anyone else's opinion..there are points to both side of this debate ..and your inability to grasp that makes your opinion every bit as useless as you claim the others here are.

 

[Troglodyte]

Richard Sherman called out Goodell for his friendship with Kraft, the conflict of interest and said they probably wouldn't be fined.

I guess Goodell was a guest at Kraft's house just this past week.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Richard Sherman called out Goodell for his friendship with Kraft, the conflict of interest and said they probably wouldn't be fined.

I guess Goodell was a guest at Kraft's house just this past week.[/QUTE]


I saw that last night. What a bunch of bullshit.I'd love to be a fly on that wall.

 

[steelville]

Don't they use ball warmers - that would negate any cold air influence. Nothing will happen until next season, then after it is blown over, a wrist slap - this is my guess. Lord help the Steelers if it happened to them - BB would probably be sentenced to a gulag...

 

[hamster]

I find this whole thread, and the Pat's reaction, to be highly entertaining.

 

[Superman]

so in the Rats-49ers Super Bowl, Joe Flacco could tell that the Rats were given one of the 49ers footballs during the game, but Brady couldn't tell that there was something amiss with the balls he juggled?

 

[Litos]

so in the Rats-49ers Super Bowl, Joe Flacco could tell that the Rats were given one of the 49ers footballs during the game, but Brady couldn't tell that there was something amiss with the balls he juggled?

Brady juggles with all kinds of balls without any discrimination

 

[nitsuj1225]

Brady now playing victim and says his "feelings were hurt". You can't make this stuff up.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...aside-deflategate-concentrate-super-bowl-xlix

 

[blitzburghv5]

What was the recorded temp during the game with the Colts ? To my recollection it wasnt freezing or even close. I was rainy we know that. But if these footballs were being put to use the immediate air temps surrounding these footballs would be a tad warmer than if there were in an open area exposed to a wind chill. Balls in contact with humans (with body heat) or close proximity would have a higher temp environment opposed to those sitting in an open exposed area. Theres ball boys, refs, centers, QBs and WR and RB, and lions and tigers and bears...................that would have contact at some point during a quarter or half.

So, in my opinion, the chill was not much, if any factor. There had to be other elements present that would prevent ball-chilling deflation as some would suggest

 

[Rod Farva]

This thread has taken on Archeresque proportions.

 

[steelermania]

Mother Nature is angry about all of the cheating. and is going to smote Boston tonight to teach them a lesson.

 

[steelermania]

This thread has taken on Archeresque proportions.

We've got a long way to go. The Cheatriots thread on the Rats board is up over 2,000 posts.

 

[LeXX75]

We've got a long way to go. The Cheatriots thread on the Rats board is up over 2,000 posts.

How is that possible Del says its only us?

 

[Superman]

How is that possible Del says its only us?

I think you mean Pop

 

[Steel G]

Brady now playing victim and says his "feelings were hurt". You can't make this stuff up.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...aside-deflategate-concentrate-super-bowl-xlix

Love this:

I'll have my opportunity to try to figure out what happened and figure out a theory like everyone else is trying to do.

What do you mean, Tom? What theory? Supposedly you did nothing wrong. You shouldn't need a theory at all. These guys can cheat, but they're awful liars.

 

[SteelerAl]

And I've said already it's more suspicious to me that the Colts balls were still above 12.5 than the Patriots were below 12.5.

That doesn't make any sense unless the Colts equipment guys 1) inflated the balls pregame much close to 13.5 than 12.5 and 2) possibly kept the balls warmer or more dry than allowed.

To me that's the only scientific explanation.

There is no test to run because the balls the Patriots provided the refs are DIFFERENT than the balls the Colts provided the referees. We know that for fact but we will never know HOW they were different. It sounds like to me the inspection process by the refs is not recorded.

All I know is some scientists (with a pretty good background in sports science and concussion analysis) did a test with 12 NFL footballs out of the box, pumped them up to 12.5 psi in a 75 degree room, got the balls wet, took them to a 50 degree room, waited a couple hours during the process and re-measure the psi as (coincidentally) 1.75 to 1.95 psi lower.

No one hear really even explained this too me. Do you think these scientist have another agenda? Do you think they are Patriots fans? Really? I give you PROOF that temperature and moisture can GREATLY impact the pressure in a football and you guys all ignore it. Because you've ALL MADE UP YOUR MINDS the minute you heard Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, the Patriots and Cheating in the same sentence. And don't tell me you didn't.

You're all biased. Which is why your "opinion" doesn't really mean all the much. I've seen the way you talk about the Patriots prior to this. You're all biased. You're all in the guilty until proven innocent group. And you fully admit not putting any scientific or non-biased analysis into your conclusions.

That's fine. But I'm not going to sit hear and just accept it as fact. The more I read about air pressure in footballs, the more RESEARCH I do, the more it's entirely plausible that air pressure in footballs often, if not always, goes below 12.5 psi on cold, wet days like the Patriots played in. And it's more fishy to me to try and understand why the Colts' football somehow magically retained their pressure despite physics saying it's impossible.

Another total fail from our resident "Kevin Colbert is a mental midget compared to me" guy. Please explain to all of us how the Colts balls made in through 4 quarters without falling below 12.5 psi and how all 12 Patriots balls made it through the 2nd half (after 11 were inflated at halftime) without falling below 12.5 psi.

 

[cpollock]

Well I did a search to see what the actual procedure for game balls .. this article is very enlightening

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...-game-balls/fCtQ38pBjBFXId0WJC2wpL/story.html

the best part is this quote ..

JD: “The equipment manager will bring a bag of 12 or 24 footballs — it depends on the weather. The backup balls they’ll keep in the locker room or the replay room during the game. But those footballs come directly from each equipment manager in a bag, and once they go into the officials’ locker room, nobody has access to them except for the officials. So nobody can sneak in there and let the air out or put air in or do anything. There’s usually a security guard in there, so the footballs sit in the officials’ locker room for two hours until they go out onto the field

So based on this the temperature theory goes OUT the window.. How you ask -- 24 balls were given to the NFL and 12 were marked for the game the other 12 were kept in the locker room or Replay room .. HOW in the hell did only 11 deflated balls come from that set of 24. If the "scientific" theory is applied to here the odds of getting 11 balls to deflate and the others to stay properly inflated over the course of the game is crazy .. HOW could you predict that ONLY the 11 balls that were heated up would end up in the game --

I am sure that SOMEONE will say it can happen but be realistic .. the odds of that are SLIM to NONE !!

 

[Steelr4evr]

An inflation/deflation needle goes into 11 with No.12 being the kickoff ball. It's pretty simple. You could have the needle attached to a small pressure gauge.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

How is that possible Del says its only us?

Seahawks fans on their board are beginning to be surprised at the amount of karma coming from other teams' fans. I explained that being AFC we see the cheating bastiges from New England more than they do. A Rams fan weighed in and schooled the Pats** trolls as good as I did. I invited him over here.

Is that me or a lot of opposite fans are wishing us to win? That's something kinda overwhelming lol

Followed by:

We underestimated just how much the Patriots are universally hated.

We underestimated just how much cheating is universally hated.
If spygate never happened, if deflategate never happened, the Patriots would only face the boilerplate jealousy-based resentment. When all their success is questionable because of multiple sweeping cheating schemes, it's impossible to differentiate the hate for cheating in general and the hate for Bill Belichick's Patriots. They are now synonymous.

And:

I am trying to figure out why the AFC doesn't rally around New England. They have dominated the AFC to the tune of 6 super bowl appearances and have a model citizen at QB. Pittsburgh fans have something to look up to. Why aren't you rooting for them?

Followed by:

Because everyone in the AFC also hates NE.

Their coach is a cheating unlikable jackass, their QB is a whiny *****, and their fans are as annoying as any fanbase in all of sports.

Unfortunately they don't have karma buttons on their board.

 

[SteelerAl]

An inflation/deflation needle goes into 11 with No.12 being the kickoff ball. It's pretty simple. You could have the needle attached to a small pressure gauge.

How many times does it need to be said --- there are separate kicking balls. They have a special "K" logo on them. None of the 24 balls being mentioned is ever used on kicking plays.

 

[Steelr4evr]

How many times does it need to be said --- there are separate kicking balls. They have a special "K" logo on them. None of the 24 balls being mentioned is ever used on kicking plays.

Well **** i don't read every god damn response on here so i guess one more time,Al...haha

 

[wig]

You non-science guys need to just shut up:

http://www.headsmartlabs.com/

Test done with NEW footballs (which should hold pressure better), with just a 20 degree drop in temperature and wetness made the after pressure in the footballs drop between 1.75 and 1.95 psi alone. NO CHEATING NECESSARY

And how is it possible that after the game the 12 balls were all still inflated? They would have deflated 2 lbs again...

The **s must have INFLATED the balls at the end of the 2nd half. Because your science guys have just CLEARLY demonstrated the each of the ball SHOULD have deflated by an average of 1.8 lbs. Right?

Or is the science bad?

 

[SteelBuckeye]

And how is it possible that after the game the 12 balls were all still inflated? They would have deflated 2 lbs again...

The **s must have INFLATED the balls at the end of the 2nd half. Because your science guys have just CLEARLY demonstrated the each of the ball SHOULD have deflated by an average of 1.8 lbs. Right?

Or is the science bad?

Shhhhh ... we are not worthy to make such observations. We don't have physics degrees.

 

[wig]

I see you performed a test on 12 footballs where you inflated them to 12.5 psi in a 75 degree room, then chilled the room to 50 degrees and wetted the balls down.

In this test you confirmed that the balls lost an average of 1.8 lbs of pressure per square inch with a max of 1.95 psi.

In the case of the AFC Championship, how does your test explain the 12 ball losing no pressure whatsoever? It was also wet and in cold weather?

At halftime all the ball were confiscated by the officials, taken inside, examined and found to be under-pressures. Then they were re-inflated to proper pressure by the officials, yet at the end of the game they had not lost their air pressure again. How do you explain this? They were once again taken out into the cold air and exposed to the wet elements.

According to your test they should have all lost an average of 1.8 pounds of pressure per square inch.

Furthermore, none of the Colts footballs had lost any appreciable air pressure during the game either by halftime or after. How does your theory account for this?

I would very much like to understand how your experiment may be modified to account for the full set of circumstances in the AFC Championship game. Obviously without accounting for all the details, the hypothesis is disproved and you need to go back to the drawing board rather than release a video suggesting you've "resolved the issue", right?

Thank you, I look forward to hearing from you.

Gregg Wigen.