Playoffs Just for Fun

[slashsteel]

And who was coaching the Steelers when they were 2-6? Or that doesn't that poor start matter, because they've managed to beat some shltty teams?

Not me. I thought they'd breeze to 8+ wins, and I bet on it. But you're right -- losing Watt had a major impact.


And who gave one of the worst OC's in the NFL his job? Who passed on Creed Humphrey and then drafted Kendrick Green, a guard in college, then started him day one at center for most of 2021, but hasn't dressed him for a single game in 2022?

Really with you for the most part. I think the team trends to average with average coaching. Ok amount of good to an ok amount of bad. Not a lot of elite teams or coaching but that doesn't mean upgrades can't be had or shouldn't. If they want to win something significant it will need to be. Otherwise it is average to mediocre groundhog day over and over again.

One of my biggest issues with Tomlin is inability to change in a game and outside of it. Poor adjustments in regards to both. Hopefully knowing how stubborn the FO is they at least upgrade to a better coordinator coming from outside of the team. Give the team at least a fighting chance to be better than mediocre.

Hopefully Omar nails his first draft as well. If the team wants to live and die with Mike at least minimize his obvious weaknesses.

 

[BLITZ]

And who was coaching the Steelers when they were 2-6? Or that doesn't that poor start matter, because they've managed to beat some shltty teams?
The same guy who is coaching them now. once again, I am not a Tomlin fan. but you have to realize he has done a good job keeping this team focused. the 2-6 start has a lot to do with a new QB and the loss of TJ. those teams we lost to; most we would beat today. We have gotten better through the year.
Not me. I thought they'd breeze to 8+ wins, and I bet on it. But you're right -- losing Watt had a major impact.


And who gave one of the worst OC's in the NFL his job? Who passed on Creed Humphrey and then drafted Kendrick Green, a guard in college, then started him day one at center for most of 2021, but hasn't dressed him for a single game in 2022? I wanted Creed also. Cant argue with this. But you can cherry pick drafts good and bad all day long.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The Steelers have some pretty good coaches on the defensive side of the ball and look at what they’ve done since the bye week. Conversely, the offensive coaches are a bunch of nobodies with an OC who will be out of the league the second the Steelers move on. The offense has been bad for four years now. Hire some quality coaches on the offensive staff.

On a side note, I wonder if Flores will get another head coaching job this year. Given the terrible situation they’re in, Denver could be a possibility. There will surely be some teams that won’t want to touch him as well.

Regarding Flores. Hopefully we keep him for 1 more year before he gets another HC deal. Would love a couple extra 3rd rounders

I wouldn’t be surprised if Denver hires him.

 

[topseed]

The same guy who is coaching them now. once again, I am not a Tomlin fan. but you have to realize he has done a good job keeping this team focused. the 2-6 start has a lot to do with a new QB and the loss of TJ. those teams we lost to; most we would beat today. We have gotten better through the year.

The Steelers are not beating the Eagles or Bills, and you can flip a coin with the others, even with Watt back. The schedule has gotten better, not the team.

I wanted Creed also. Cant argue with this. But you can cherry pick drafts good and bad all day long.

I'm not cherry-picking anything. They haven't drafted an offensive lineman in the first two rounds in ten years.

 

[madinsomniac]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Denver hires him.

Since Denver was a direct team he sued and he called out Elway for being hungover in the interview, I don’t think the ownership group will consider him… but there are several other teams without those entanglements that might be interested

 

[MT~Forged]

I agree with you. I am just saying Tomlin is no way near as bad as people on here think.

Nor as good as you want people to think. He is average to slightly better coach. Wins meaningless games but gets out coached when it matters. Great coaches win meaningful games, with average players, average coaches lose meaningful games with great players. Every year he doesn’t have a HOF QB to cover for his short comings, he slides back towards average, maybe eventually to below average.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Since Denver was a direct team he sued and he called out Elway for being hungover in the interview, I don’t think the ownership group will consider him… but there are several other teams without those entanglements that might be interested

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

 

[BLITZ]

The Steelers are not beating the Eagles or Bills, and you can flip a coin with the others, even with Watt back. The schedule has gotten better, not the team.

I'm not cherry-picking anything. They haven't drafted an offensive lineman in the first two rounds in ten years.

The Steelers are a better football team today than they were in the beginning of the season. same players. offense Line/defensive line is better, running game is better that is coaching. Once again for the 100th time. not a Tomlin fan. but you have to acknowledge than he does a better job than most people admit on here.

I wanted Creed in the 1st. screamed for him in the 2nd. I think Moore is in no way a legit LT. But I understand that MUTH was there, and they valued him over Center. I think it was wrong but, Muth has proven to be worth the pick and they are coaching up a offensive line that on paper should not work.

 

[TDX27]

I think Moore would be better if he had a legit G next to him. Dotson has been our worst OL the entire season. Why not try Legue who stepped in last year and looked good? I think he is still on the PS. I have to admit Chuks has been pretty steady. He's not great but he has settled in compared to his first 4 years. I think Davis and Cole are only signed through next year so they will need a good OL coach to keep coaching the OL up as they need to draft OL with one of their top 3 picks along with DL. If they can get Torrence in the 2nd, that would be a nice addition to the OL and he should bounce Dotson on day 1 and he may send Green packing if he hasn't significantly improved somehow.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I think Moore would be better if he had a legit G next to him. Dotson has been our worst OL the entire season. Why not try Legue who stepped in last year and looked good? I think he is still on the PS. I have to admit Chuks has been pretty steady. He's not great but he has settled in compared to his first 4 years. I think Davis and Cole are only signed through next year so they will need a good OL coach to keep coaching the OL up as they need to draft OL with one of their top 3 picks along with DL. If they can get Torrence in the 2nd, that would be a nice addition to the OL and he should bounce Dotson on day 1 and he may send Green packing if he hasn't significantly improved somehow.

I think OL, more specific LT is under-urgencied by some. Some here feel Moore could slide into LG. I feel we need 1 of first three picks to be OL (OT) and a Proven FA OL brought in. 2 OL this draft / off season.

I also realize DL needs addressed as well, Hopefully we get a mix of draft need and FA signings to make the needed key to success.


Salute the nation

 

[SteelerFan448]

The Steelers are a better football team today than they were in the beginning of the season. same players. offense Line/defensive line is better, running game is better that is coaching. Once again for the 100th time. not a Tomlin fan. but you have to acknowledge than he does a better job than most people admit on here.

While you can credit the coaches for this, it is also a failure on their end that it took until the bye week for the to realize they needed to run the ball better. They thought drafting Najee was going to fix that issue by itself. Instead, if they emphasized the ground game and developing a sound blocking scheme his rookie year they would’ve been much further ahead this season and we probably would see better results in terms of rushing, QB play, and wins this year.

 

[BLITZ]

While you can credit the coaches for this, it is also a failure on their end that it took until the bye week for the to realize they needed to run the ball better. They thought drafting Najee was going to fix that issue by itself. Instead, if they emphasized the ground game and developing a sound blocking scheme his rookie year they would’ve been much further ahead this season and we probably would see better results in terms of rushing, QB play, and wins this ye

While you can credit the coaches for this, it is also a failure on their end that it took until the bye week for the to realize they needed to run the ball better. They thought drafting Najee was going to fix that issue by itself. Instead, if they emphasized the ground game and developing a sound blocking scheme his rookie year they would’ve been much further ahead this season and we probably would see better results in terms of rushing, QB play, and wins this year.

I think I agree with a lot of this. But we have to realize. these guys do this for a living. They know more than we ever will about building a NFL team.

there are 32 people in the world that coaches NFL teams. and despite what we think Tomlin is one of the better ones at it.

the very fact that there are 2 games left in the season and the Steelers still have a fighting chance to make the playoffs after losing a HOF QB to retirement is prove of this.

 

[Troglodyte]

They haven't drafted an offensive lineman in the first two rounds in ten years.

Right, and the OL represents over 1/5th of a team’s positions. All other things being equal, there should have been 4 or 5 1st or 2nd round OL in the past ten years.

 

[Drink IRON City]

While you can credit the coaches for this, it is also a failure on their end that it took until the bye week for the to realize they needed to run the ball better. They thought drafting Najee was going to fix that issue by itself. Instead, if they emphasized the ground game and developing a sound blocking scheme his rookie year they would’ve been much further ahead this season and we probably would see better results in terms of rushing, QB play, and wins this year.

FULLY agree, instead they took a 3rd round guard and turned him into a starting center. On top of that they took a 4th round and made him a “rookie starting LT.

All the while Creed Humphrey crept on bye……..

I’m just saying that legitimate Trench Workers are needed here,


Salute the nation

 

[BLITZ]

FULLY agree, instead they took a 3rd round guard and turned him into a starting center. On top of that they took a 4th round and made him a “rookie starting LT.

All the while Creed Humphrey crept on bye……..

I’m just saying that legitimate Trench Workers are needed here,


Salute the nation

100% agree on needing to draft quality oline and dline.
All I am saying is Tomlin is better than what people on here think.
Still think his time is up here and he should move on, but we have to be careful what we ask for.

 

[topseed]

The Steelers are a better football team today than they were in the beginning of the season. same players. offense Line/defensive line is better, running game is better that is coaching. Once again for the 100th time. not a Tomlin fan. but you have to acknowledge than he does a better job than most people admit on here.

I wanted Creed in the 1st. screamed for him in the 2nd. I think Moore is in no way a legit LT. But I understand that MUTH was there, and they valued him over Center. I think it was wrong but, Muth has proven to be worth the pick and they are coaching up a offensive line that on paper should not work.

The Steelers are NOT a better football team. They are beating shltty opponents like the Raiders, Panthers, Falcons, and Colts by one score. If they manage to get past the Ravens with a second-string QB (which they couldn't do at home the first time a few weeks ago) and the crappy Browns, and somehow end up in the playoffs, then they'll get destroyed by the Chiefs in the first round. Just like they got destroyed by Buffalo and Philadelphia.

It's not just the Freiermuth/Humphrey situation. Tomlin's been overvaluing skill position players in the draft for a decade. You have to acknowledge that.

You can keep telling me for the 101st time that you aren't a Tomlin fan -- I never said that you were. But you're sure starting to sound like one.

 

[BLITZ]

The Steelers are NOT a better football team. They are beating shltty opponents like the Raiders, Panthers, Falcons, and Colts by one score. If they manage to get past the Ravens with a second-string QB (which they couldn't do at home the first time a few weeks ago) and the crappy Browns, and somehow end up in the playoffs, then they'll get destroyed by the Chiefs in the first round. Just like they got destroyed by Buffalo and Philadelphia.

It's not just the Freiermuth/Humphrey situation. Tomlin's been overvaluing skill position players in the draft for a decade. You have to acknowledge that.

You can keep telling me for the 101st time that you aren't a Tomlin fan -- I never said that you were. But you're sure starting to sound like one.

I do acknowledge that. in my eyes he has done that. But clearly not in the Rooney's eyes or the NFL. Tomlin hasnt won anything here in a lot of years. But he would be snatched up in 2 seconds if he was on the free market

 

[Drink IRON City]

This team could catch on fire, even with the current state of talent. That “fire” would be what’s called Player’s Coach. These guys will fight tooth and nail for Coach Tomlin.

It’s some of the other deficiencies that have me wanting a new coach. Those deficiencies will keep us average or slightly above average, indefinitely.

Better players / drafting could hide some of the things I refer too but here again we had to have 10 1st rounders on D to make us consistently top tier defense.

When Coach Tomlin can get out of his own way is when we will be relevant again.


Salute the nation

 

[ZonaBurgh]

We can beat the stains
Bills can beat the P**s
Can't see the Fish losing to the Yets at home

 

[Steelz]

We can beat the stains
Bills can beat the P**s
Can't see the Fish losing to the Yets at home

We kinda need the Bills to win tomorrow night too, if they do then they'll be playing for the #1 seed next week against the Patriots, if they lose they won't have much more to play for and might rest thier players that week. Also I can see the Fish losing to the Jets, without thier starting QB they're pretty trash, they're down to thier 3rd string QB at the moment.

 

[madinsomniac]

Just remember to make huge bets on us Tying the Browns, so we aren’t that disappointed about it when it ironically happens after the *’s and Phins lose

 

[madinsomniac]

We kinda need the Bills to win tomorrow night too, if they do then they'll be playing for the #1 seed next week against the Patriots, if they lose they won't have much more to play for and might rest thier players that week. Also I can see the Fish losing to the Jets, without thier starting QB they're pretty trash, they're down to thier 3rd string QB at the moment.

If they lose they are one game back of kc, but tgey have the tiebreaker with KC… they also will fall to the 3 spot tied with Cincinnati with Cincinnati having the tiebreaker, so they have plenty to play for next week win or lose

 

[chipped ham]

We kinda need the Bills to win tomorrow night too, if they do then they'll be playing for the #1 seed next week against the Patriots, if they lose they won't have much more to play for and might rest thier players that week. Also I can see the Fish losing to the Jets, without thier starting QB they're pretty trash, they're down to thier 3rd string QB at the moment.

I believe that even if they lose tomorrow, #1 seed would still be in play for them because if KC were to lose next week, and both teams finish at 13-4, Buffalo gets the tiebreak, and would get the HFA. Currently, KC shows #1 in the AFC only because Buffalo hasn’t played this week, and they have the extra win. So if the bills lose tomorrow, and both KC/BUF games are at 1 next Sunday, the bills would have to play for the shot at #1 seed.

 

[Drink IRON City]

If they lose they are one game back of kc, but tgey have the tiebreaker with KC… they also will fall to the 3 spot tied with Cincinnati with Cincinnati having the tiebreaker, so they have plenty to play for next week win or lose

Thanks for putting it into perspective. It gets confusing this time of year with all the scenarios.


Salute the nation

 

[Fiji Mariner]

If Tomlin gets all this credit because the team is finally showing signs of life vs the weak part of the schedule does he get any credit for the first half of the season when the team was either sleep walking, disinterested or outright pissing down its leg?

Asking for a friend

Unfortunately Tomlin is exactly what many here think he is- Average
And it shows year after year
The standard