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Ike Kelly

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So, Al Riveron, earlier today on a phone interview to SIrius/XM apologized for the blown blocked FG call in the VIkes/Seahawks game. Probably cost MIN the game and will have playoff implications for both. He explained it was a foul and the flag shouldn't have been picked up and said sorry to the VIkings organization. Incredibly, he stated it was an illegal block by Wagner because of his use of leverage. Now, someone else posted in one of the Denver game threads about the rule itself, that NO hand/legs or body part should touch another player to achieve leverage in attempting to block a kick. I also postulated that the bookend player next to the Simmons block actually pushes down on the LS after the snap, which according to the rules is illegal.

Forget about the laundry list of former officials agreeing it was a illegal blocked kick by Wagner.....from SB Nation...

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/12/11...d-goal-block-illegal-penalty-seahawks-vikings

"On the Monday Night Football broadcast, rules analyst Jeff Triplette noted that Wagner’s use of his hands was illegal — even on his own teammates.

“He can’t put his hands on even his own player or anyone else. He puts both hands down. That’s leverage, as we call it. Goes across the top, then goes up with his hands. That is a 15-yard penalty
.”

All the other NFL rules analysts were in unanimous agreement with Triplette:

"As many have noted, the play in #MINvsSEA should have been a penalty on Seattle for leverage. The officials should not have picked up the flag on that play.
— Gene Steratore (@GeneSteratore) December 11, 2018"

"Lots of talk about the Wagner block. The wording in the rule book is NEW this year and is clear. The new wording states, "May not place a hand or hands on a teammate or opponent in an attempt to jump through a gap to block an opponent's kick or apparent kick." Case closed. Foul. — Mike Pereira (@MikePereira) December 11, 2018"

"Clearly a foul by Seattle on the blocked FG. A player cannot use his handS on an opponent or a teammate to jump through a gap to block a FG. #MINvSEA
— Terry McAulay (@SNFRules) December 11, 2018"

Wagner's was obvious yet the line judge says he couldn't see it because of hand positioning...whatever that means. Simmons was just, if not, more observed as he leapt over while pushing off one of his players and ours.

So, on the interview Riveron states it was an obvious illegal block, and "the flag should have never been picked up". However, Riveron, the NFL replay Czar, is in NFL HQs reviewing all the calls didn't overturn it. Why? This was on a MNF game. Not 13 games going on at the same time. If he is saying the act was obvious then why didn't he stop the game to have the call overturnedl? It was the only game being telecast, it would have taken him less than 30 seconds to contact the game officials to oversee the decision.

You have your chief official apologizing for blown calls that impacts games. Yet where is the accountability for the ineptness? More and more evidence that, Pereria and Blandino seemed to see what was to happen when the Replay Czar was created. If they are going to have this all overseeing Czar making final decisions on replay, then shouldn't coaches be able to challenge what is missed by said replay?

Ludicrious.....and completely idiotic the way the Commish is having this handled.
 
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Did the NFL ever admit that the OT moving 3 steps before the ball snaps is illegal? Did they ever agree a block in the back during a return is illegal? did they ever agree that the OC twitching the ball without snapping it and drawing the defense offsides on a FG attempt is illegal?

I am still miffed about that ****.
 
Did the NFL ever admit that the OT moving 3 steps before the ball snaps is illegal? Did they ever agree a block in the back during a return is illegal? did they ever agree that the OC twitching the ball without snapping it and drawing the defense offsides on a FG attempt is illegal?

I am still miffed about that ****.

That's 14 points of scoring plays as well. I think they do as they're told. The inept **** only goes so far. I'd love some video of ref positioning on these plays. The OT would be impossible to miss. The block in the back as well. It's not like anything would be obstructing the view on these infractions.
 
Does the NFL still send out appology letters upon missed calls durring a game???




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I've said it before. A head coach should be able to red flag any play. If he sees a penalty, let him throw it.
 
I've said it before. A head coach should be able to red flag any play. If he sees a penalty, let him throw it.



Coach, I understand the frustration but could you imagine how ****** it would be to watch, unless you limit the number of red flags......? If you did a version of your idea, two flags would never be enough. I'd think maybe four would be the majic number. Or would you just leave the same format but open the challenge to all plays........................... OUR RED FLAG CHALLENGER would be totally out of flags by 13:21 1st Q





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It sure does appear the NFL has its favorites. As the knit pick calls when teams play against NE. Ever minor call is made when benefits them. And nothing called against them!
Refs have made or not made so many ways that have changed the out come of games, one wonders if the fix is in? Sorry’s after a team wrongly lost the game from a blow call or missed call, just isn’t enough. It’s to late then! We added replay, but what good is it, if the league has the games rigged anyway!!
And on another note, maybe we pay these athletes way to much money. When league has to change the rules on how to tackle, and make it impossible to make a tackle without a penalty. It’s nothing to do with safety of the players, but everything with protecting their LARGE INVESTMENT. The game is getting harder to watch with all the rule changes that take away from the way the game is suppose to be played!!!
These players shouldn’t make enough in one season, then they need in a life time!! $10-17 million a year is STUPID MONEY for playing a game!


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Coach, I understand the frustration but could you imagine how ****** it would be to watch, unless you limit the number of red flags......? If you did a version of your idea, two flags would never be enough. I'd think maybe four would be the majic number. Or would you just leave the same format but open the challenge to all plays........................... OUR RED FLAG CHALLENGER would be totally out of flags by 13:21 1st Q


Salute the nation


It would be up to the head coach. I would not flag a 5 yard penalty, but one that I think was missed that could swing a game, heck yes. Get it right.
 
It sure does appear the NFL has its favorites. As the knit pick calls when teams play against NE. Ever minor call is made when benefits them. And nothing called against them!
Refs have made or not made so many ways that have changed the out come of games, one wonders if the fix is in? Sorry’s after a team wrongly lost the game from a blow call or missed call, just isn’t enough. It’s to late then! We added replay, but what good is it, if the league has the games rigged anyway!!
And on another note, maybe we pay these athletes way to much money. When league has to change the rules on how to tackle, and make it impossible to make a tackle without a penalty. It’s nothing to do with safety of the players, but everything with protecting their LARGE INVESTMENT. The game is getting harder to watch with all the rule changes that take away from the way the game is suppose to be played!!!
These players shouldn’t make enough in one season, then they need in a life time!! $10-17 million a year is STUPID MONEY for playing a game!


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if you possessed the demonstrable skill/know-how/abilities to bring in the amount revenue for a company/industry, that NFL players bring in for the league, then yes, you too, would demand to make as much as they do. "the players make too much" is a ridiculous position to take. when the league doesn't make as much revenue from all their sources (tickets/tv contracts/merchandise etc etc), only THEN will the players not make as much money as they do now, it's all relative.
 
Why do you think viewership is going down??? Why do you think, you can find SEVERAL tickets available for every game??? Why is there empty seats in every stadium???
The tickets are so expensive, that most people can’t even afford to go to a game. Then once you are there, $7.50 for a damn Hot Dog!! For a father like myself to take my son to a game costs me $350-$400! Ridiculous! That’s not buying any souvenirs!! Can’t afford $150 jerseys!!
Maybe it’s time to lower it all! Do we really need BILLION DOLLAR STADIUMS???
Maybe quit paying unbelievable pay checks. Maybe lower the price of a hot dog. Maybe lower price of tickets so common people can go. Maybe let players make money on their own name and not have to license it with NFL. Maybe don’t pay the commissioner multi millions a year.
They make so damn much money, then where are tax payers flipping the bill for their stadiums??
I feel as they pay STUPID money to players, and keep changing rules to protect their investments, then viewership and attendance will continue to drop off!! Just watch and see!!


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Why do you think viewership is going down??? Why do you think, you can find SEVERAL tickets available for every game??? Why is there empty seats in every stadium???
The tickets are so expensive, that most people can’t even afford to go to a game. Then once you are there, $7.50 for a damn Hot Dog!! For a father like myself to take my son to a game costs me $350-$400! Ridiculous! That’s not buying any souvenirs!! Can’t afford $150 jerseys!!
Maybe it’s time to lower it all! Do we really need BILLION DOLLAR STADIUMS???
Maybe quit paying unbelievable pay checks. Maybe lower the price of a hot dog. Maybe lower price of tickets so common people can go. Maybe let players make money on their own name and not have to license it with NFL. Maybe don’t pay the commissioner multi millions a year.
They make so damn much money, then where are tax payers flipping the bill for their stadiums??
I feel as they pay STUPID money to players, and keep changing rules to protect their investments, then viewership and attendance will continue to drop off!! Just watch and see!!


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Ok? The nfl continues to be by FAR the most popular sports entity in the country and its not even close. In other words, we are a LOOOONNG ways away from the league economically downsizing due to necessity.
 
Talk about fairness or league has it rigged toward certain franchises is not the point. Replay was brought in to get calls right. Plain and simple. Did the ball hit the ground? Was the spot accurately placed? Was the catch inbound or caught per the rules? All plainly simple review tasks. However, some plays which are supposedly automatically reviewed, are not being reviewed, and those that are that should be overturned are not, because of the decisions of a replay Czar. Who quite frankly hasn’t been consistent with his replay assessment and has admitted his own error in performance.

Coach has a point letting a coach challenge anything that constitutes an rule being broken. Not any play however. They are trying to shorten the games at it is. But allowing the coach to flag any call/play that is resulting in a change a possession or negatively impacts their team is laudable. Providing 2 challenges while keeping them until you lose a ruling seems fair. Considering every change of possession is supposed to be reviewed, catches and line of gain spots as well, providing the ability to challenge all calls including obviously missed infractions, down by contact, PIs or judgement calls.

One problem though. If this was to happen, you would definitely see inadvertent whistles being blown a whole lot faster.


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The NFL has become a joke in large part due to the refs , another part is on the shield, still no one knows how the hell goodell enforces the rules. Spygate should have been enough to permanently ban bellicheat from the league and give a hefty fine to the cheaters, one that leaves a precedent if you try to break the rules, like losing all their picks for 2 seasons and forced to fire all their coaching staff. And of course taking away their tainted trophies.

I'm seriously losing the interest in the product

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I just don't get, why they don't do it like College Football does it. 2 challenges, and then a play can be buzzed down to look at. so simple. no correct call should be missed do to no challenges. oh, and all false starts, offside, block in the backs should be review-able.
 
The short answer is so the league can retain overriding control over game outcomes.
 
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