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WTH? NFL 100 top 10 QBs

Punxsutawney said:
Obviously, you have to adjust for eras and look at how dominant the player was in his respective era.

Favre was great statistically not just because he played a long time.

Ben has never dominated the league like Favre did in the 1990s. Favre was named league MVP three straight years in the middle of the decade.

I think Ben is more comparable to Elway in that he was rarely dominate statistically, but won a lot of games while frequently making great throws/plays.
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But Brett still only won one SB and that has to be factored in. Not that he doesn't deserve a listing he does, it just is that so does BigBen.

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Oh also interesting enough both Ben and Brett were gunslingers. Yet BigBen has a better career completion percentage and a better interception percentage. Which is relevant as we know turnovers will kill a team. Brett was loved by the media. Which plays a hand in achievements as we know Ben isn't. Yeah give me BigBen 7 days a week twice on Sundays in comparison.

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slashsteel said:
But Brett still only won one SB and that has to be factored in. Not that he doesn't deserve a listing he does, it just is that so does BigBen.

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Ben has won more Superbowls than Dan Marino.

Does anyone really think he was as good of better?

I'm not one to say the rings argument is irrelevant. It's part of the equation, especially given the importance of the QB position on any team, but there are so many other variables to consider.

The problem Ben encounters when ranking him among the all-time QBs is that he has never been considered the absolute best in the league in a given year. Hell, even Matt Ryan and Cam Newton, who I know are nowhere as good as Ben, have been league MVPs since Ben entered the league.

Eli Manning has won as many Superbowls as he has.

Also, Ben has played under the statistical/production shadow of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees during much his career.

Ben is great, no doubt, but I tend to think he's more in the tier of guys like Stabler and Aikman than Favre and Marino.
 
Like when comparing Brett, BigBen's career completion percentage and interception percentage is better than Marino's. That same accuracy that helped him take the team to three SBs. Lot of these QBs have records. But BigBen is a proven in-season winner as well as postseason. Yes I would put Bigben in a conversation in regards to being as good as Marino.Oh BTW ya/a Ben was better than the three in that area too.
Punxsutawney said:
Ben has won more Superbowls than Dan Marino.

Does anyone really think he was as good of better?

I'm not one to say the rings argument is irrelevant. It's part of the equation, especially given the importance of the QB position on any team, but there are so many other variables to consider.

The problem Ben encounters when ranking him among the all-time QBs is that he has never been considered the absolute best in the league in a given year. Hell, even Matt Ryan and Cam Newton, who I know are nowhere as good as Ben, have been league MVPs since Ben entered the league.

Eli Manning has won as many Superbowls as he has.

Also, Ben has played under the statistical/production shadow of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees during much his career.

Ben is great, no doubt, but I tend to think he's more in the tier of guys like Stabler and Aikman than Favre and Marino.
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slashsteel said:
Like when comparing Brett, BigBen's career completion percentage and interception percentage is better than Marino's. That same accuracy that helped him take the team to three SBs. Lot of these QBs have records. But BigBen is a proven in-season winner as well as postseason. Yes I would put Bigben in a conversation in regards to being as good as Marino.

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Marino would have completed over 70% of his passes had he started his career when Ben did.

It wasn't that long ago when 60% was considered great. Now, it's merely average.

As I said, Ben's great, but I tend to think Steelers fans overrated him a bit compared to other all-time greats.
 
Punxsutawney said:
Marino would have completed over 70% of his passes had he started his career when Ben did.

It wasn't that long ago when 60% was considered great. Now, it's merely average.

As I said, Ben's great, but I tend to think Steelers fans overrated him a bit compared to other all-time greats.
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His better stats in the areas I pointed out resulted in more championships than the other two combined. I say Ben is way underrated incomparison. I also point to his Holmes SB throw that was elite.

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FSF said:
Quite frankly , I was more put off Troy wasn’t on.

I knew he wouldn’t be simply because Blount and Woodson gave Steelers 2 DBs-but hate how Troy gets overlooked as much as he does


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The Top 100 was meaningless to me the minute Troy wasn't included. Haven't watched a minute since.
 
4 SBs and 2 SB MVPs is all taht needs to be said. Bullshit list.
 
slashsteel said:
Oh also interesting enough both Ben and Brett were gunslingers. Yet BigBen has a better career completion percentage and a better interception percentage. Which is relevant as we know turnovers will kill a team. Brett was loved by the media. Which plays a hand in achievements as we know Ben isn't. Yeah give me BigBen 7 days a week twice on Sundays in comparison.

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Plus Brett was texting his "little bret" to some bimbo and got coaught but the media didn't run with it as they did with Ben.


These ******* opinion list definately are only good for the sheeples fans.




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Punxsutawney said:
Elway played most of his career in a completely different era where 15-20 TD passes and 3000 yards got a QB probowl consideration.

Ben entered the league right at the time when the league really started restricting what both DBs and LBs could do in coverage. In fact, 2004 was when **** started to get crazy in terms of passing production.

The 100th anniversary team is about as exclusive as it gets. A lot of great players were left off, not just QBs
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Agree. Who put this list together by the way?

I bet every player on this list who never won a Super Bowl would gladly change places with another great player who was part of a team that won a super bowl.

A list or a ring? Choose wisely.


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Btw, Roethlisberger is the greatest QB in Steelers history.
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Going away. It isn't close. Bradshaw as a GREAT big-game QB. He was a generally fine QB the other games. Roethlisberger, despite the era he's played in, is extraordinary in his completion percentage, his yards per pass, his int to td %... You really need to look at the larger picture with Roethlisberger. He not only sits within the top 10 all-time in many passing categories, he's been doing it for years and years. It's not like he's a flash phenom. Add in the fact that over his career, Ben has gotten less of the benefit of the "protect the QB" rules and he's had to play like he's in an older era in terms of the consequences of holding the ball too long.

Ben has won more Superbowls than Dan Marino.
Does anyone really think he was as good of better?
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I maintain that Marino is the best "physically talented QB" I've ever seen play the game. (Manning is the most cerebral.) That said, Ben has a significantly better completion average than Marino, (era considered.) Ben has a 5% greater completion average over his career than Marino. That's not insignificant. And if you want to get in to IMPORTANT stats, Both Ben and Marino have a 5% TD to pass ratio. That's pretty darn good.

It may interest you also to know, Ben has a better Int% than Marino. (2.6 to 3.0)

Ben's yards per attempt are slightly higher than Marino's, but Marino's yards per catch are slightly higher than Ben's (.2 on each, I think.) Those, are AMAZING numbers for both of them, by the way. Chronic Cheater can't touch Ben or Marino's yards per attempt or yards per catch.

Ben also has a slightly higher QBR (for what that's worth) than Marino. Again, the eras were different etc. etc. but as I mentioned earlier, unlike Manning or Br*dy, Roethlisberger has been allowed to get the **** knocked out of him throughout his career. Cam Newton has always been beat to hell too, but Cam also runs ALOT! Roethlsberger is the most beat-up non-scrambling passer in the league, and that also isn't close.

The point is, when you look at Roethlisberger's overall stats, he is ******* amazing and we don't really appreciate what we have.
 
Oh, and I would also point out how ******* stupid these lists are.

If they have Brown on the all-time receiver list, but not the ONLY QB that has EVER thrown him the ball outside one game (where Brown did NOT break 100, did nothing more than make 1 TD catch...) Well, that just seems confusing to me.
 
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