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Will moving Bud Dupree to ROLB make any difference?

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The Steelers have reportedly decided to try out Dupree at ROLB, or Right Outside Linebacker, and Watt at LB, Left Outsifeinebackrt. Many fans were frustrated and confused, as it seems this change could make absolutely no difference and, instead, make things difficult for T.J. Watt. But, contrary to the belief of most fans, this could […]

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Can it hurt? We will see soon enough. We need him to do more than he did last year that is for sure. Someone on defense needs to step up big time. Probably more than just one person. Would make it a lot easier for us to get to the big game and win it anyways.
 
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Can it hurt? We will see soon enough. We need him to do more than he did last year that is for sure. Someone on defense needs to step up big time. Probably more than just one person. Would make it a lot easier for us to get to the big game and win it anyways.
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Bud definately needs to step up but I think one of those other guys you hope to step up will be S. Tuit. Add in Mitchell being gone and we are all ready better.



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I think it will help Watt as he should feel more comfy on the left playing there in college.


They dropped Watt a decent amount in coverage, so you wonder if switching sides will force Dupree into coverage more.

Sure some will depend on who lines up where on O, but even with the side switch Bud will need to get off blocks against the run.
And will have to seal the edge as well.

I think the frustration came from Bud wide gliding his way out of the play. But I am not convinced changing sides will help.

But even if that helps against the pass it doesn't solve his run D issues.

You wonder if the switch is the beginning of the end for Bud.

As often we see someone moved in route to being moved the next year right off the roster............

Davis for me gets labeled with this way of thinking too.
 
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Dupree now goes up against left tackles, who are almost universally better pass blockers than right tackles. Will it help Dupree? No. Will it help Watt? I certainly think so.
 
Same Dud, different side. If Dud was any good the coaches wouldn't need to move him. Dud is playing his last year in Pittsburgh. I wish they had a better alternative.
 
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Same Dud, different side. If Dud was any good the coaches wouldn't need to move him. Dud is playing his last year in Pittsburgh. I wish they had a better alternative.
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Hopefully they will find a castoff or two from other teams when camp starts.
 
Where is the LB's coach in all this???? Why hasn't he stepped up the play of this unit??? Munchack came in here and almost imeadiately you saw an elevation in the OL play. Now see what it is as it's one of the best in the leauge where as Joey's boys have been "not so good" and Joey's been here a long while. How much is crappy coaching and how much is crappy players to work with....... This very well could be Durpee's last year and possibly Joey's too.!!




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Where is the LB's coach in all this???? Why hasn't he stepped up the play of this unit??? Munchack came in here and almost imeadiately you saw an elevation in the OL play. Now see what it is as it's one of the best in the leauge where as Joey's boys have been "not so good" and Joey's been here a long while. How much is crappy coaching and how much is crappy players to work with....... This very well could be Durpee's last year and possibly Joey's too.!!
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Joey is at the bar unless he's been thrown out again. I said the same thing a while ago about sucky talent vs. sucky coaching. It's hard to say. Joey is Shades' best bud and isn't going anywhere. If they didn't fire him after the incident at the South Side bar, they never will.
 
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Where is the LB's coach in all this????
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After the offseason coaching moves, Porter is by far the worst coach on the team. I love the guy as a player, but the best thing he's done as a coach is draw a 15-yard penalty against the Bengals. The second best was celebrate with William Gay.

Since 2015, the Steelers have drafted Bud Dupree, Anthony Chickillo, Travis Feeney, T.J. Watt, and Keion Adams. Five players in three years and the results have been underwhelming.

Dupree has been very underwhelming. A guy with that many athletic traits should at least be an average linebacker, but he's invisible on the field.

Watt is going to be a good player no matter the coach. The guy lives and breaths football and will do what it takes to succeed. However, a good coach could certainly elevate his play.

After this, they have an okay backup in Chickillo and that's it. On top of this, he had a part in how the team handled Harrison last year and no matter who's side you were on, it sounded like both the player and the coaches could've done things better.
 
I don't really think position coaches make or break anyone, they're just glorified drill instructors for their groups, which the exception of Munch. Ariians was Manning's QB coach his first 3 seasons, is anyone going to credit Ariians for Manning being the player he was? If that's the case our current DC couldn't get **** out of Jarvis.

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I don't really think position coaches make or break anyone, they're just glorified drill instructors for their groups, which the exception of Munch. Ariians was Manning's QB coach his first 3 seasons, is anyone going to credit Ariians for Manning being the player he was? If that's the case our current DC couldn't get **** out of Jarvis.

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Sorry Coryea but position coaches do influence players and some times in the wrong direction. Who do you think the player sees / talks to / listens to the MOST of any coach?????? The position coach can't give more natural ability but definately can "coach" up the natural ability of any player, Good or bad. Your being complacent about Joey NOT influencing the players seems odd but your opinion none the less. Munchack isn't an exception of the rule but rather an enhancement of the rule of position coaches enhancing betterment from the players. Manning is a rare example as opposed to our left tackle being coached into a better player. How come Dupree isn't being coached better on his fly-byes???? Is Dupree just that ******* dumb or under-coached???? If the LB unit wasn't consistantly a problem then I would state the player but when this unit is consistantly low end I have a tendacy to look at the constant and that would be Mr. Joey.




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Sorry Coryea but position coaches do influence players and some times in the wrong direction. Who do you think the player sees / talks to / listens to the MOST of any coach?????? The position coach can't give more natural ability but definately can "coach" up the natural ability of any player, Good or bad. Your being complacent about Joey NOT influencing the players seems odd but your opinion none the less. Munchack isn't an exception of the rule but rather an enhancement of the rule of position coaches enhancing betterment from the players. Manning is a rare example as opposed to our left tackle being coached into a better player. How come Dupree isn't being coached better on his fly-byes???? Is Dupree just that ******* dumb or under-coached???? If the LB unit wasn't consistantly a problem then I would state the player but when this unit is consistantly low end I have a tendacy to look at the constant and that would be Mr. Joey.
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I think it's more of a talent evaluation problem. Under Cowher we would often have multiple LB's in the Pro Bowl. Under Shades, even with different DC's and LB coaches the LB corps has been weak. Other than Deebo (Cowher's player), Timmdong, Shazier, and Watt, i.e. the "can't miss" prospects, they haven't done much. Especially their two first round picks Jarvis Jones and Jarvis Dupree. You can't help that Shazier's career was tragically ended but Jones and Dupree, that's two first-round picks wasted right there.
 
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Sorry Coryea but position coaches do influence players and some times in the wrong direction. Who do you think the player sees / talks to / listens to the MOST of any coach?????? The position coach can't give more natural ability but definately can "coach" up the natural ability of any player, Good or bad. Your being complacent about Joey NOT influencing the players seems odd but your opinion none the less. Munchack isn't an exception of the rule but rather an enhancement of the rule of position coaches enhancing betterment from the players. Manning is a rare example as opposed to our left tackle being coached into a better player. How come Dupree isn't being coached better on his fly-byes???? Is Dupree just that ******* dumb or under-coached???? If the LB unit wasn't consistantly a problem then I would state the player but when this unit is consistantly low end I have a tendacy to look at the constant and that would be Mr. Joey.




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Maybe I was a bit extreme, and Porter might be horrible coach, but he's taking heat for Dupree, then shouldn't he get praise for Watts play, Shaziers play, Williams a 6th round pick is now a decent starter?

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Porter strictly works with the OLBs not the ILBs, that's Olsavsky.

Porter has been given 3 first round talents at OLB: Jarvis, Dupree, and Watt. He failed with Jarvis, and has not shown any on field improvement with Dupree yet. Watt came to the team ready to play, so coaching wasn't a factor.

Then you see Munch getting late rounders and undrafted players who never played tackle, and made them starters and pro bowlers. That is the sign of a great coach who excels at his craft.

Porter seems to be lacking, the same could have been said for Lake, and is a reason why he is now gone. If you can't coach up talent, you won't last long.

Olsavsky did much better inside. Turned Shazier into a game changer, and Williams into a solid player. If not for the cascading injuries last year, we would have seen a better Matakavich. I think we see him this year.
 
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Maybe I was a bit extreme, and Porter might be horrible coach, but he's taking heat for Dupree, then shouldn't he get praise for Watts play, Shaziers play, Williams a 6th round pick is now a decent starter?
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It depends. Joey Porter is the outside linebackers coach. Jerry Olsavsky is the inside linebackers coach. I would argue that Olsavsky has been here for a long time going back to when the LB's were better and more consistent.

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Porter has been given 3 first round talents at OLB: Jarvis, Dupree, and Watt. He failed with Jarvis, and has not shown any on field improvement with Dupree yet. Watt came to the team ready to play, so coaching wasn't a factor.
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Bingo. I can't really blame Porter for J. Jones though. I thought he was a bad pick from the beginning because of his back problems. I said at the time that he would never be able to get strong enough to be an effective pro player and I was right.

Porter seems to be lacking, the same could have been said for Lake, and is a reason why he is now gone. If you can't coach up talent, you won't last long.
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Good players don't always make good coaches. Guys without an abundance of natural ability who have to study and work at their craft make better coaches. Cowher, Shades, Olsavsky, Jim Leyland, for example.
 
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All of the above and that is why Joey needs to go. He just isn't getting it done. NOW he is getting it done with his mouth as he has fanagled his way to being Cool shade's best friend and now releys on that friendship, to a degree, to keep his job. I think this year is put up or shut up for Joey and if there isn't significant improvement from that group we may say bye bye to Joey.



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Usually the LT is Faster, Stronger & more Athletic than the RT so I'd say with Durpree's bull rush as h is only move....HELL NO his production will improve. I'd expect him to be even worse! Picking up his 5th year option was HUGE mistake!
 
Tweet went out today about the Steelers setting franchise records for Sacks last year. So that's more Sacks than the Lloyd/ Green era teams and more than the Super bowl Teams with Hampton, Porter/Harrison etc. which were some of the finest defenses I've seen. You have to be careful when you **** on a guys production unless you are really seeing the tape. What is he doing on every play? If they are moving him, I'm sure they know what they are doing, but it wasn't like they didn't get after the QB last year.
 
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