Why Steelers and Roethlisberger have not met about contract

[Steeler Nation]

Ben Roethlisberger hasn’t met with the Pittsburgh Steelers yet regarding his contract, per Gary Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Thank goodness for Captain Obvious. Clickbait articles aside—there’s a pretty logical reason that is conveniently ignored. The 2021 NFL salary cap has yet to be determined as the TV rights agreements could top 10 years […]

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[Lemmy]

Yet Art has already stated the Ben will have to reduce his cap hit to play for the Steeelers.

 

[slashsteel]

Like I mentioned in one thread there was a rumor floating in the wind the cap can be the same as last season before it is all said and done. I think the fact that they haven't met leans more to the team has every intention of bringing him back for another season. The TV deal will benefit the Steelers and I am stoked about that.

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[SteelerSask2]

Maintaining the salary cap could mean the ability to bring Roethlisberger back. It won't mean much for keeping any UFA. That will just mean more money for Bud or Juju elsewhere.

 

[FSF]

Yet Art has already stated the Ben will have to reduce his cap hit to play for the Steeelers.

Correct.

Perhaps you didn’t understand what I tacitly implied so if I may ask you a question?

You’re AR II and you know the NFL Salary Cap situation can be impacted because you’re privy to the #s. Why would you meet with Ben’s ppl to hash out an agreement if constraints can change over the next month?



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[FSF]

Maintaining the salary cap could mean the ability to bring Roethlisberger back. It won't mean much for keeping any UFA. That will just mean more money for Bud or Juju elsewhere.

Just out of curiosity, why do you say that?

As most of the league is up against the cap with their own players, if they are given extra flexibility to make decisions to retain their own, might the Steelers be as well?


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[TDX27]

No matter what the cap is, Ben has to reduce his hit in order to stay. No need to wait, just get it done. If he really wants to do something for the team, no waiting to see the final cap number is needed. If he doesn't, then the Rooney's need to decide if they want Ben to retire like Troy did.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Just out of curiosity, why do you say that?

As most of the league is up against the cap with their own players, if they are given extra flexibility to make decisions to retain their own, might the Steelers be as well?


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Increase of the cap is the league's way of giving the players a raise. If the Steelers couldn't afford their players before any cap raise they still can't. If Juju was going to get 12 per and the cap raises he will get 14.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Yet Art has already stated the Ben will have to reduce his cap hit to play for the Steeelers.

Your point being?


Roethlisberger has stated his pay doesn't matter.


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[Drink IRON City]

PS

Great fact and article Bill, thanks.


Everyone knows these owners treat their FRANCHISE as a business. It makes perfect sense to have all the information in front of you before you make a decision. It's not as simple as "just get it done". Ben's contract is based on "CAP" implication and the size of the cap has direct affect as opposed to Ben's and other players salary. That cap increase could be the difference of 1-2-3 year contract and how far money's are pushed.





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[Lemmy]

Your point being?


Roethlisberger has stated his pay doesn't matter.


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Ben didn't say he would pay for cheap AND forego his 15 million dollar bonus. He will take every penny he is owed and make the Steelers push it into further years. He could simply say forget the bonus and play for his 4 million dollar salary yet he didn't .

 

[Sarge]

Maybe the Steelers really don’t want him back. Maybe they are ready to move on. I find it hard to believe a championship is their top priority if they are keeping Tomlin around. Might as well get started with mediocrity sooner rather than later so hopefully we luck into the next franchise QB sooner. Big Ben gave us some great years, but I just don’t think he is capable of that anymore. Guess we’ll find out if it was him or Fichtner if the bring Ben back.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Maybe the Steelers really don’t want him back. Maybe they are ready to move on. I find it hard to believe a championship is their top priority if they are keeping Tomlin around. Might as well get started with mediocrity sooner rather than later so hopefully we luck into the next franchise QB sooner. Big Ben gave us some great years, but I just don’t think he is capable of that anymore. Guess we’ll find out if it was him or Fichtner if the bring Ben back.

I think the Steelers know he's done. Too many are making a big deal out of the big numbers he put up against Cleveland in the second half when the defense backed off or his good game against the Colts. You cannot ignore the terrible play over the final two months of the season. He was bad and a big reason why we were losing. He can come back next year and have some good games, likely early in the season when he's fresh off an offseason of rest. I just don't foresee an improvement of play over what we had last season. There will be more instances of what we saw in November and December than what we saw in September and October.

Personally, I don't want to see him go out looking like an old, washed up QB. His career was too good for that. Maybe I'm wrong, but he just doesn't look to have the physical ability to play QB at a high level for a full season next year.

 

[jitter77]

I think his mobility was severely limited. He was like a giant statue. If his legs aren't right it's going to lead to bad throws as well. Main question is whether it's simply age or injury

 

[Steelr4evr]

Ben doesn't have a thing going on that some serious conditioning won't cure. He should be doing that right now! All the way to camp. Probably **** he's never done in his career or not much of. That ball is really in his court. There's no getting around it at his age. He could play several more years, but he will have to become comfortable doing things he's not comfortable with.

 

[Omar10213245]

I think the Steelers know he's done. Too many are making a big deal out of the big numbers he put up against Cleveland in the second half when the defense backed off or his good game against the Colts. You cannot ignore the terrible play over the final two months of the season. He was bad and a big reason why we were losing. He can come back next year and have some good games, likely early in the season when he's fresh off an offseason of rest. I just don't foresee an improvement of play over what we had last season. There will be more instances of what we saw in November and December than what we saw in September and October.

Personally, I don't want to see him go out looking like an old, washed up QB. His career was too good for that. Maybe I'm wrong, but he just doesn't look to have the physical ability to play QB at a high level for a full season next year.

i feel the same way. don't get me wrong, i'll be rooting like hell for him, and i'll be sad when he calls it a day (probably at the conclusion of the coming season), but, he just doesn't seem to have the ability to hang for a full season anymore; and that's no indictment against him, dude's been doing it for the better part of 20 years now. the body can only take so much.

 

[F83]

could be as well ben was waiting to see if Pouncey would change his mind, now that Pouncey has officially retired maybe ben might be pondering it to. I don't think it ill hurt Art to look into Russ as he fed up with Pete. would love ben back but he has to some training to get some of his agility back, as that damm 2-second release and just slants and back shoulder throws will not work, hopefully, Matt Canada installs creative Adjustments and wouldn't hurt to add some good counter runs and trick plays aside from a jet sweep.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Ben didn't say he would pay for cheap AND forego his 15 million dollar bonus. He will take every penny he is owed and make the Steelers push it into further years. He could simply say forget the bonus and play for his 4 million dollar salary yet he didn't .

Yawn

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[steelhurt]

I'm appreciative of Ben and what he's meant to the team throughout his career but I'm in the camp that says for the better of the team its time to move on Ben. Bringing you back only delays the inevitable and pushes restructures only push out the money to future years. I'm for a retirement saving us the 19 million and taking the 22 million dead money hit. With Pouncey and Vance gone that should put us about even with the cap and with some additional dead wood cuts, Haden, Vince Williams, Ebron and a few restructures with Cam, Tuitt and DeCastro suddenly we're in the black with the cap. Sign Sutton and Hilton and JuJu to extensions, and see if we can work something out with Bud, if not then Highsmith needs to step up.

Draft OL in first round, TE in second round, OL in third round and RB in fourth round or try and move back into 3'rd for the RB. Try and bring in a veteran center and if there's money try for CB William Jackson III. If Sutton works out maybe Nelson can be dealt next year.

Turn the reins over to Mason and sink or swim with him. I think with an offense designed around him rather than Ben's offense, a re-tooled OL, decent running game actually using the FB, Mason may do well. If not, we have our answer and our draft position is much higher so then we take our QB in 2022. Just my two cents.

An no we do not need JJ Watt as much as I like him, where is he going to play? Too big for edge rusher to replace Bud if we don't resign him, too light for NT, so who sits? Tuitt, Cam, I don't think so. And he's not going to be a backup signing a cheap contract to play with his brothers. Personall think he's headed to GB with a much better chance to play in a SB with Aaron Rodgers and its his boyhood team. Go Pack Go!

 

[TDX27]

Ben's arm was fine. It might have gotten stronger as the season went on. The dude threw way more than anyone thought he would or could this year. His legs and mobility for half the season were better than the last few years. He actually scrambled for a few first downs. But as I mentioned before, when he got hurt, his mobility went down. It is damn obvious his knees were hurting him as he never left the pocket at all the last probably 6 games. If he can come back next year in even better shape than last year and maybe lose even 10 lbs, that will do wonders for his knees. He needs to be able to move around in the pocket, step up or even scramble a little if needed. If he can't well....he needs to fire the ball away but not a sky ball for anyone to go get. And, with all that said, Ben wasn't the biggest problem we had on O. It was our play-calling, our O line, our RB's and our WR's dropping balls. Improve in those areas and we would have still been talking about Ben like an MVP like many were mid-way through the season.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Ben's arm was fine. It might have gotten stronger as the season went on. The dude threw way more than anyone thought he would or could this year. His legs and mobility for half the season were better than the last few years. He actually scrambled for a few first downs. But as I mentioned before, when he got hurt, his mobility went down. It is damn obvious his knees were hurting him as he never left the pocket at all the last probably 6 games. If he can come back next year in even better shape than last year and maybe lose even 10 lbs, that will do wonders for his knees. He needs to be able to move around in the pocket, step up or even scramble a little if needed. If he can't well....he needs to fire the ball away but not a sky ball for anyone to go get. And, with all that said, Ben wasn't the biggest problem we had on O. It was our play-calling, our O line, our RB's and our WR's dropping balls. Improve in those areas and we would have still been talking about Ben like an MVP like many were mid-way through the season.

I'm with you.

I still think he has enough left to win a championship with him in the right offense. He still has the arm, though the legs are a question in terms of both mobility and mechanics. Regardless of the type of coverages the opponent is playing, when a QB throws for 500 yards in a game, he still has more than a little left in the tank, at least in my opinion.

Over the past couple years, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady both looked about done only to find a second wind in different offenses/schemes.

I think the Steelers running game and overall offensive scheme were just so inept in 2020 that it magnified any physical fatigue and weakness Ben showed late in the season.

I do not have much confidence in Tomlin, Canada and Colbert making the necessary adjustments and personnel changes in one off season, but given how I think Ben potentially has one more good season left in him, I'd like to see them at least try.

 

[Ike Kelly]

The big impact to all of this isn’t Ben’s contract. That will be resolved amicably. The HUGE implication is in reference to whether ESPN+ gets Sunday Ticket. Having that streaming service ties everyone to Disney, who pretty much has their hands in all TV content. More exposure, means more an ancillary $ for the owners without even doing anything to gain it.


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[steelhurt]

Ben's arm was fine. It might have gotten stronger as the season went on. The dude threw way more than anyone thought he would or could this year. His legs and mobility for half the season were better than the last few years. He actually scrambled for a few first downs. But as I mentioned before, when he got hurt, his mobility went down. It is damn obvious his knees were hurting him as he never left the pocket at all the last probably 6 games. If he can come back next year in even better shape than last year and maybe lose even 10 lbs, that will do wonders for his knees. He needs to be able to move around in the pocket, step up or even scramble a little if needed. If he can't well....he needs to fire the ball away but not a sky ball for anyone to go get. And, with all that said, Ben wasn't the biggest problem we had on O. It was our play-calling, our O line, our RB's and our WR's dropping balls. Improve in those areas and we would have still been talking about Ben like an MVP like many were mid-way through the season.

I just think its time to move on from Ben. I'd rather have the 19 million cap space than have now a 39 year old QB out there with very limited mobility living out of the shotgun. Ben never had nor does he now have or will he ever have anything close to Tom Brady's conditioning program and at a soon to be 39 I don't think he will soon adopt a strict work out regimen. I think Ben has always been of the thought that he does just enough and nothing more. He got his knee injured while in the pocket against Dallas and as I recall he was pretty much like a statue not being able to escape. He's nowhere near the Ben people remember being able to escape and make plays. Those days are gone through no fault of Bens but its just age and 17 seasons of wear and tear.
We are not winning a championship with Ben and we will not get to a SB and doubt we even win the North with Ben so what's the point? Lets start the retooling sooner than later and use that savings toward keeping Youngers guys like a 25 year old JuJu, 20 somethings in Sutton, Hilton and try and work something out with Bud if we can. Also, move out some dead wood like Haden, Vince Williams and Ebron to help us retain these younger guys rather than hold on to the old guys. Thats my thinking but I respect where you're coming from as well.

 

[FSF]

I’m thinking that some of y’all might wanna be careful what you wish for cuz you just might get it!

I want Ben back. Hands down, no question. But—I want him throwing for 225-250 per game. I want to run the damn ball, control the clock, and do exactly what Bucs did to win f’n SB.

It’s same way Elway got his last rings. Throw when it’s there, control game with run... kill em when they sell out to stop run.

I read “opinion” this is a strong RB class similar to how last year was strong WR class. Maybe it can be done with couple good moves on OL


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[ChampYINZ]

Still don’t see it happening. I called it in another post ‘call it here will Ben be the Steelers qb in 2021’