What's up with Bud?

[Coach]

Bud Dupree is quickly becoming a frustrating player to watch. At times he looks like he's shot out of a cannon as a pass rusher. He has marvelous athletic skills. Other times he's a near zero, easily being blocked, or losing containment vs the run.

In 5 game played Dupree has just 12 total tackles.

This is his 3rd season, and by this point in time, most players are either ascending into what they will become or have arrived.

So what exactly is the issue here?

I'll mention what it could be:

1 ) Is he nursing an injury?

2 ) Low football IQ /awareness was a knock on him in college and remains an issue in the Professional ranks.

3 ) Technique and had usage to disengage?

4 ) Effort?

I do not think Dupree isn't a bust. He can be decent when healthy.

 

[wig]

To be clear, I do not think Dupree isn't a bust. He's a can be decent when healthy.

See, that double negative makes what you're saying very unclear. What you're actually saying (if you remove both negatives in the double negative is)

...To be clear I do think Dupree is a bust...

 

[Coach]

See, that double negative makes what you're saying very unclear. What you're actually saying (if you remove both negatives in the double negative is)

Fixed it. Why in your opinion is Dupree such an inconsistent player and weak vs. the run?

 

[TDX27]

Bud trained hard this offseason on strength and technique. Everyone said he looked great in OTA's and early on but then he got injured again. He hasn't looked very good since coming back from the injury. I was thinking he was going to have 10+ sacks this year. Now, I don't know if he'll get 5. He just doesn't look like he did when healthy even last year.

If I had to guess, I'd say he's nursing an injury.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I think they are still in a roational mode at OLB. Honestly Moats would be out on my depth chart. Chick and Watt on Sp teams. I would want Debo in uniform on Sundays. 10-15 snaps

 

[steel dino]

Dupree was been underwhelming this season..

I believe Chickillo is a better OLB right now.

But Dupree has that Number One draft pick thingy going for him when it comes to PT..

 

[ark steel]

Low football IQ /awareness was a knock on him in college and remains an issue in the Professional ranks.

IIRC, it wasn't, necessarily, low football IQ, it was more, for lack of a better word, ignorance as he didn't actually have a linebacker coach in college. Or was this someone else?

He is, indeed frustrating. I see him move into the middle after the snap when, it seems, he should be holding the edge. This allows the OL to get on him and push him in leaving his lane way open. Seems like he is guessing wrong on what the play is and moving based upon his guess rather than what is developing.

 

[Coach]

IIRC, it wasn't, necessarily, low football IQ, it was more, for lack of a better word, ignorance as he didn't actually have a linebacker coach in college. Or was this someone else?

He is, indeed frustrating. I see him move into the middle after the snap when, it seems, he should be holding the edge. This allows the OL to get on him and push him in leaving his lane way open. Seems like he is guessing wrong on what the play is and moving based upon his guess rather than what is developing.

Didn't some scouting reports say he wasn't very aware and had a very low wonderlic score?

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news...d-Dupree/d87ad20f-d294-4926-82b3-24cc8cd76899

Here's the thing, Dupree has not improved as much as a 3rd year player should.

 

[Spike]

Bowled over. Pancaked. Too light, skinny legs, no weight in his ***. Can't set the edge, gets dominated by every OLman he's ever faced.

 

[Litos]

Head too small

 

[Stryker]

He's dealing with a knee and a shoulder this year. Shoulder will affect his strength, knee will affect his speed. Looks like the reason why he's having trouble with both.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Needs more "animal" in him

 

[Ike Kelly]

In 5 game played Dupree has just 12 total tackles.

This is his 3rd season, and by this point in time, most players are either ascending into what they will become or have arrived.

So what exactly is the issue here?

I'll mention what it could be:

1 ) Is he nursing an injury?

***2 ) Low football IQ /awareness was a knock on him in college and remains an issue in the Professional ranks.***

3 ) Technique and had usage to disengage?

4 ) Effort?

I do not think Dupree isn't a bust. He can be decent when healthy.

Didn't some scouting reports say he wasn't very aware and had a very low wonderlic score?

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news...d-Dupree/d87ad20f-d294-4926-82b3-24cc8cd76899

Here's the thing, Dupree has not improved as much as a 3rd year player should.

This is why you get challenged all the time. You opine in your initial post issues, one of them being low football IQ/awareness was a knock on him in college. Yet you THEN question your own statement asking if there were scouting reports stating the same thing? Did you not validate your own statement before you posted it??? You are throwing mud on the wall and seeing if it sticks.

The wonderlic is not a measurement of football knowledge. Someone with purported football knowledge would know this.


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[Steeltime]

Bowled over. Pancaked. Too light, skinny legs, no weight in his ***. Can't set the edge, gets dominated by every OLman he's ever faced.

He struggles quite a bit when he goes against a tackle, which is mystifying to me. Dude is 270 lbs., which is massive for an OLB. He should be much better at stuffing an OT in the run game, and in using his strength and quickness to pressure the passer, particularly when going against a RT. However, it seems most of his production comes when he is lined up against a RB or TE.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Bud's problem is call arm to *** displacement. It's derived from, get this, how much displacement between *** and arms. In a nutshell, Bud is slowly lowered into a tank (filled to the brim) until his *** is just submerged. The amount of overspill is weight / measured. / noted. Then they lower him to his "tit" level with his arms extended up Ward out of the water. The overspill is weighted / measured / noted. Then finally the lower him to specified location just below his jaw but totally above his shoulders. AGAIN the overspill is weighted / measured / noted. The calculations are based on this displacement and it was determined he has and awkward balance of *** to arn ratio, If he is in a squat like position and fully extends his arms.,............... He will fall over, forward.





In reality, I think there is a physical problem that we don't know about or hasn't healed properly.



Salute the nation

 

[steelhurt]

I think it’s a couple things with Bud,
First even though he’s 270 lbs he needs to get stronger which I think will come
Second I think he’s still learning the position just like TJ.
I think Bud will be fine and will start coming around second half if this season. He missed a lot of time last year and a lot this summer so I think he’s just catching up.


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[BLITZ]

if he is really still injured why not sit him now?

 

[Steelr4evr]

He needs to be part of the James Harrison off season iron man program. In fact most players do to some degree.

 

[Coach]

In 5 game played Dupree has just 12 total tackles.

This is his 3rd season, and by this point in time, most players are either ascending into what they will become or have arrived.

So what exactly is the issue here?

I'll mention what it could be:

1 ) Is he nursing an injury?

***2 ) Low football IQ /awareness was a knock on him in college and remains an issue in the Professional ranks.***

3 ) Technique and had usage to disengage?

4 ) Effort?

I do not think Dupree isn't a bust. He can be decent when healthy.

Originally Posted by Coach
Didn't some scouting reports say he wasn't very aware and had a very low wonderlic score?

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...3-24cc8cd76899

Here's the thing, Dupree has not improved as much as a 3rd year player should.

This is why you get challenged all the time. You opine in your initial post issues, one of them being low football IQ/awareness was a knock on him in college. Yet you THEN question your own statement asking if there were scouting reports stating the same thing? Did you not validate your own statement before you posted it??? You are throwing mud on the wall and seeing if it sticks.

The wonderlic is not a measurement of football knowledge. Someone with purported football knowledge would know this.


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I did that my design as Wonderlic scores are not easy to obtain, but there is stuff out there that says he got a 13, which is very low. So by putting in a question mark, it prevents someone like yourself for asking for proof! Got it now

What was Shark Thomas score? I'll bet it was low. Tomlin said he didn't; have it above the neck, ya think! If you ask the professional coaches they say it takes a while to learn the defense. Bud's problems in college remain the same in the pro's. He's just not getting it.

Maybe you should take the test for the heck of it Ike. I don't care what your score if but you'll see that a 13 = a moron. Jimmy Johnson once said, " Hit me on the head the next time I take a dumb guy "

 

[Coach]

if he is really still injured why not sit him now?

Unless he's listed as questionable. he's not hurting.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Dupree reminds me a lot of Jason Gildon.

That is not necessarily a bad thing, but I see a lot similarities between the two.

 

[steel dino]

Sorry---not seeing that at the moment Punxy..

He needs to get to the QB more often for me to think of Gildon when he plays..

 

[Coach]

Dupree reminds me a lot of Jason Gildon.

That is not necessarily a bad thing, but I see a lot similarities between the two.

??? Gildon was a high effort strong type of player, who worked his way to the football , and often made plays because someone else forced the QB or ball carrier to move in his vicinity.

Dupree is much faster and more explosive. And I think far less aware. Possibly far less effort too. More injury prone as well.

Gildon = a very good player who was an over achiever.

Dupree = fantastic tools player who is an under achiever.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Look for Dupree to breakout now. Thanks

 

[Ike Kelly]

2 ) Low football IQ /awareness was a knock on him in college and remains an issue in the Professional ranks.

I did that my design as Wonderlic scores are not easy to obtain, but there is stuff out there that says he got a 13, which is very low. So by putting in a question mark, it prevents someone like yourself for asking for proof! Got it now

What was Shark Thomas score? I'll bet it was low. Tomlin said he didn't; have it above the neck, ya think! If you ask the professional coaches they say it takes a while to learn the defense. Bud's problems in college remain the same in the pro's. He's just not getting it.

Maybe you should take the test for the heck of it Ike. I don't care what your score if but you'll see that a 13 = a moron. Jimmy Johnson once said, " Hit me on the head the next time I take a dumb guy "

Sigh...it’s like having a conversation with a middle schooler. Listen genius, your original post had no ? after your 2nd observation, which is the topic of contention. That you don’t provide proof to much of your incoherent ramblings. You made a statement and then asked a question if there was any data to support your statement.

To make it easy for you..

In jest, I state Coach hasn’t received education beyond the 6th grade, much less have any experience with the higher concepts of the game of football. His education level is about the same as his experience level with the game. By the way, does anyone have Coach’s Curriculum Vitae so I can verify this?

Do you get it now?

As I said the Wonderlic isn’t a measurement of football knowledge. It is a test on an individual’s ability with cognitive concepts in different disciplines. Yes, there has been some bonehead low scores 6 by Vince Young, and I think Fitzpatrick or Eli aced it. Or at least they scored in the top 99 percentile. But some players purposely don’t apply themselves because it doesn’t matter to them (they think) with an organization’s assessment. Some do to weed out who is a player who prepares, is able to assimilate a playbook quickly, or try to define their intelligence quotient. Others (like Tom Coughlin) took it to a level higher than any. Who cares what Shamarko Thomas score was, for all we know he had many other things on his mind during the time, like the combine, team individual visits, etc. All we know for sure was his injuries prevented him from producing and learning consistently. Hence he is no longer here.

Oh, and just for your increase in knowledge...a 13 Wonderlic score isn’t defined as “moron” it is considered above literate. As for me taking the Wonderlic, I took the WCAT before college and had a score somewhere in the 40s. Took the WAIS over 20 years ago and it’s score was in line with what I took a few years earlier.

I don’t consider myself a scholar, but I do think with an open mind when I make a comment or statement. Like, if you had (or will) take the test, you may have a similar score as Shamarko, but it wouldn’t be because you are a moron.


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