Hole up here, ICS. I was assured that Russia bombed its own pipeline!! Are you trying to tell me that ABCCBSMSNBCCNN was lying?!?!?
Wow, your aluminum foil budget must be over the top cuz of the hat thing.
We are being badly misled about the Ukraine-Russia war
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Hole up here, ICS. I was assured that Russia bombed its own pipeline!! Are you trying to tell me that ABCCBSMSNBCCNN was lying?!?!?
Wow, your aluminum foil budget must be over the top cuz of the hat thing.
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So, some Ukrainian guy and his buddies rented a sailboat and set about blowing up a gas pipeline. Ok. Sure.
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At about 220-250 feet deep, in a cold ocean......experienced divers could do this, but does this dude have that skills skillset or military training? Where did he procure the necessary depth charges, or did he build his own torpedoes?
And isnt it convenient that he did this several months after POTUS promised to do same.
Maybe this is what Hunter was advising Burisma about?
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That sir, is an excellent quote.
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Thank you. Steal it. It's also a terrible truth. History don't lie.
Just some dudes with a snorkel and a paddle boat.
It was obviously Pootin blowing up his own pipeline and costing the nation hundreds of millions of dollars! Because remember, Pootin is as evil as Hitler who is as evil, almost, as Trump!
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I heard Poopin could die soon
Stephen A is a lot like Bill Maher anymore. Moments of lucid reality.
Somewhat.
On par with the local Democrat committee members who back in the 90's just happened to be driving past Washington, D.C. and just happened to have a scanner in their minivan that just happened to pick up Newt Gingrich's cell phone call and they just happened to have a tape recorder with them.
I'm old and remember stuff.
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Just like that hijacker's passport they just happened to find at GZ when the kerosene was hot enough to melt structural steel.
Damn right we did.
The deal Clinton made was that the US would provide “security assurances for Ukraines territorial integrity” in exchange for Ukraine becoming denuclearized.
Look how that has that worked out.
Under Biden Russia helped themselves to Crimea, now they want more.
I wonder if Russia would have invaded if Ukraine had nukes.
Peace through strength.
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The US and NATO negotiated to give all their nukes to Russian for destruction with the promise that Ukraine would never become a NATO member......remember that Russia faced invasion from both Napoleon and Hitler, who both matched thru Ukraine en route to Moscow.
Bomma allowed Russia to take Crimea in 2014, but only after the US sponsored a coup in the Ukraine, removing the government elected by the Ukrainian people.
The Ukrainian people, many of them ethnic Russians, had chosen, through democratic elections, to have leaders that were more aligned with Russia, it's neighbor, than the US.
The US literally caused a government overthrow, and installed a set of pro-US leaders, allegedly with "Nazi" ties. The Russians reacted very negatively to this illegal overthrow of the democratic government, and in a move to "protect" ethnic Russians and gain strategic access to the Black Sea, they quickly re-took Crimea, a territory that had been Russian or Soviet until 1991.
Obama did nothing, other than harsh language, to change this. Neither did Trump 45. To Trumps credit, he maintained status quo. Unfortunately, his lack of attention to this matter allowed the election of puppet/actor Zelensky -- who had actually portrayed the Ukranian president on a TV show. (you can't make this up!)
Then Biden became POTUS, with an election result still disputed by Trump.......given what the US did in the Ukrainian coup, is there much doubt stiil about the legitimacy of 81 million votes in US?
Biden's Administration forced Zelensky to provoke Russia further -- because Germany was also getting closer to Russiand and buying huge amounts of natural gas, breaking the post Soviet promise that Ukraine wouldn't join NATO, and Putin reacted with force, quickly gaining the territory with mostly ethnic Russians call Donnbass/Donetsk. For about 3 years they have literally just held that ground. They have also strategically bombed the various bio-weapons labs that the western world claims did not exist.
While little has changed since Trump re-gained power, he did promise to end the conflict on Day 1, and clearly was disrespected by Zelensky in the Oval Office.
A simple peace could probably be had, now, by letting Russian keep the territory the have now, with Ukraine re-commiting to the original promise not to join NATO. Or the US and NATO allies can keep wasting lives and billions of dollars with effectively no accountability.
Does it make any sense, at all, to keep sending US $$$ to keep killing young soldiers and those collateral damage around them?
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The idea that the US orchestrated the overthrow of Yanukovych is a myth propagated by guess who…the Russians.
“Russia has a long, documented history of using disinformation, propaganda, and false claims as tools of domestic and foreign policy”
But in this case they are telling the truth?
Yanukovych who is not even ethnic Ukrainian but a Russian, was ousted by the Ukrainian parliament by a majority vote.
The Ukrainian people were outraged over his reversal on agreeing to join the European Union due to pressure from Russia.
Pro EU rallies turned violent and deadly.
Its amazing how the US caused the Ukrainians to take to the streets.
The extent of our involvement was to support the revolution, not cause it.
Yanukovych was the corrupt one. Zelensky is minor league.
We colluded with Ukraine to overthrow their president like the Russians colluded with Trump to win the election.
Russians = Democrats.