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Was Williams our target in the 2nd or was it always Golson?

Who do the Steelers take if both are there: Williams or Golson?

  • Williams - Best tight end in the draft

    Votes: 2 13.3%

  • Golson - 3rd CB possibly on Steelers Draft list

    Votes: 13 86.7%

  • WE SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED GREGORY!!!!!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    15
I'm a big fan of Judge Judy, and she always says, "if it doesn't make sense, it's not true":

It's possible that Kaboly misinterpreted the Steelers' negative reaction to Baltimore's acquisition of Williams, assuming Colbert and the Steelers' brass really wasn't happy when the Ravens' selection of Williams went down. My guess is that the Steelers could have been upset because Colbert had perhaps planned on drafting Williams after signing Golson via trading up from their third round pick, and the disappointment of not getting Williams was doubly difficult because he ended up on Pittsburgh's biggest rival.
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It doesn't make sense that the Steelers war room would be upset at all if their guy is still there. To say they were upset because they didn't get a chance to draft him in the third, just doesn't make sense to me.
 
IMO - we tried trading up for someone else.
Golson was our consolation prize and whom we were going to take between he and Williams.
 
Cope said:
I'm a big fan of Judge Judy, and she always says, "if it doesn't make sense, it's not true":



It doesn't make sense that the Steelers war room would be upset at all if their guy is still there. To say they were upset because they didn't get a chance to draft him in the third, just doesn't make sense to me.
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Agreed. That is a major league stretch.
 
The evidence to suggest Golson was always the choice is the fact that this year they focused on ball hawks drafting the guys that were 1 and 2 in interceptions last year in college. I suspect that after the first two guys were taken the steelers were looking for guys that had a history of take aways.
 
I'm thinking the actual target(s) were Collins (CB) or Collins (SS). You don't try to trade to Houston's pick (#1 of the 2nd round) for Maxx Williams or Senquez Golson. You just don't. After they couldn't get the trade done with Houston, I think they were content to just sit back and let their board play out. However, you don't tell Golson he was the consolation prize. So, you SAY "He was the guy we tried to trade up to get". Which actually sounds just as stupid as if you had actually tried to trade up for him.
 
Whatever it was I'm glad it ended they way it did. I have a feeling once you see what Golson and Coates can do you will be glad too.
 
We tried to get Jalen Collins or Rowe, and failed to trade up cause the FO just loves to hoard draft picks. We sat still and then were going to draft Williams, but then chose Golson instead. That is what I believe happened.
 
Cope said:
If Williams and Golson are still on the clock, who do you thing the Steelers would take?

Article here on the most recent post draft statements:

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...t-clears-the-air-about-the-ravens-draft-steal
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If you ask me the Steelers would have taken Rowe or Darby before Golson. Heck they might have taken Jake Fisher if he was there.

I read Max Williams didn't interview well. At any rate, Miller is still a solid player, and we picked up a TE later in the draft. If James does not pan out the Steelers can pick a TE higher in 2017. By that time Miller won't be in the Steelers long term plans.
 
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ZACKB said:
We tried to get Jalen Collins or Rowe, and failed to trade up cause the FO just loves to hoard draft picks. We sat still and then were going to draft Williams, but then chose Golson instead. That is what I believe happened.
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It was expensive to move up this year. Teams paid a fairly steep price to jump 5 spots, we would have had to pay out the *** to move 20 spots. For that reason, I don't fault them for hoarding picks...we need them.
 
I take Colbert at his word and believe Golson was their 3rd ranked CB behind Waynes and possibly Kevin Johnson. That means they were prepared to draft Golson in front of Collins, Rowe, Peters, Jones et al. That's what we get for drooling over the 6-0/6-1 corners. It time we stop sleeping on the shorter guys, as the Steelers clearly don't give two ***** if a guy's a couple of inches shorter than the norm as long as the production and athleticism is there.
 
The Eagles grabbed Rowe near the middle of the round. prob would cost 2 4th rounders to jump.


SteelerAl said:
It was expensive to move up this year. Teams paid a fairly steep price to jump 5 spots, we would have had to pay out the *** to move 20 spots. For that reason, I don't fault them for hoarding picks...we need them.
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ZACKB said:
The Eagles grabbed Rowe near the middle of the round. prob would cost 2 4th rounders to jump.
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We didn't have two fourth rounders.
 
Golson was the guy they were targeting, Williams may have been considered if Golson was off the board. So the brilliant chess master Ozzy Newsome basically traded up for nothing.
 
The Steelers said they were actually looking to trade up for Golson. He was our pick, if there.
 
Schefter reported before Rd 2 started that the steelers were inquiring about trading up to the top pick. My guess is they wanted Rowe. When they couldn't strike a deal, then Golson was their man.

They mentioned on the broadcast that the Steelers card had already been turned in before the Ravens pick was announced. They would not have accepted the steelers card if it had Maxx WIlliams on it.

It also doesn't make sense when you consider they were locked on getting a WR with a high pick. Coates was the plan for Rd 3. If they took Maxx, then that pushes off CB until Rd 4 or it means they draft CB instead of Coates in 3. CB and WR were much bigger needs than TE.

Maxx Williams just isn't a good enough prospect to throw away your whole draft strategy, especially not when there were multiple TEs who tested out better than him.
 
I believe Colbert because after missing out on the top three corners in the first round, their hands were tied in the second. They must have had a second grouping of cornerbacks and Golson was probably the last name in that group. I'd like to think that Rowe was the guy they wanted, but after names starting falling off the board, they weren't going to risk missing out on Golson by waiting a round.
 
Wingman said:
The evidence to suggest Golson was always the choice is the fact that this year they focused on ball hawks drafting the guys that were 1 and 2 in interceptions last year in college. I suspect that after the first two guys were taken the steelers were looking for guys that had a history of take aways.
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I somewhat agree with you. I do believe that Pittsburgh wanted guys that can get us some turnovers, however if that truly was the case they would not have waited until round 7 to take Holliman because there's no way that they could have known that he would have been around at the very end of the draft. Could we have gotten Golson in the 3rd round? I say the chances that he was still there in the 3rd were very good, but they valued him highly so they didn't take a chance.. If Colbert and Tomlin truly wanted Holiman I believe they would have drafted him in the 5th round. Holiman in round 7 tells me that a ballhawking secondary was an idea passed around on draft day, but Holiman is such a project that they said...Hey, if he's there in the 7th we spin his wheels and see if the kid can play. So that became the plan when he was there, but if that truly was the plan all along they would have grabbed him in the 5th like they grabbed Golson in the 2nd. If Tomlin and Colbert have shown us anything, they've proven over and over and over again that they'll draft a guy a couple rounds ahead of his projected round. Regardless of what they say in the press, it's obvious that there are certain players they are "targeting" and these are the head scratcher picks we've all come to know around these parts.
 
I agree with you. Golson was probably the last of the 2nd tier corners on our draft board.
 
Trecampbell said:
I somewhat agree with you. I do believe that Pittsburgh wanted guys that can get us some turnovers, however if that truly was the case they would not have waited until round 7 to take Holliman because there's no way that they could have known that he would have been around at the very end of the draft. Could we have gotten Golson in the 3rd round? I say the chances that he was still there in the 3rd were very good, but they valued him highly so they didn't take a chance.. If Colbert and Tomlin truly wanted Holiman I believe they would have drafted him in the 5th round. Holiman in round 7 tells me that a ballhawking secondary was an idea passed around on draft day, but Holiman is such a project that they said...Hey, if he's there in the 7th we spin his wheels and see if the kid can play. So that became the plan when he was there, but if that truly was the plan all along they would have grabbed him in the 5th like they grabbed Golson in the 2nd. If Tomlin and Colbert have shown us anything, they've proven over and over and over again that they'll draft a guy a couple rounds ahead of his projected round. Regardless of what they say in the press, it's obvious that there are certain players they are "targeting" and these are the head scratcher picks we've all come to know around these parts.
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Interesting thoughts. But if I recall and I might be wrong on this but all three of our defensive backfield guys had some interceptions this past year. They were also projects in someways or had some issues in the measurable department. Based on that it is possible they had them rated at different points in the draft in relation to guys still on the board. For example Coats and James were not needs but were much better than the defenders available at the time and they were unable to pass them up for the remaining defenders. Chicillio was a very promising prospect at a position of need as was corner and may have had more upside.

As you mentioned we will never know but the discussion is interesting particularly when you can see several different angles that might have been right, thanks for posting.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
I believe Colbert because after missing out on the top three corners in the first round, their hands were tied in the second. They must have had a second grouping of cornerbacks and Golson was probably the last name in that group. I'd like to think that Rowe was the guy they wanted, but after names starting falling off the board, they weren't going to risk missing out on Golson by waiting a round.
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This sounds spot on to me. They did exactly what the fan base (and reporters like Dejan K.) were crying out for: they forced the issue and got a CB rather than just taking BPA and ending up with yet another 5th round CB who doesn't even make the 53 man roster. I'd bet they liked Rowe a lot, but it was too costly to move that far up...would have cost us too many picks.

The real argument is whether they graded the position properly or not and we'll have to wait and see on whether guys like P.J. Williams are better then Golson. And you've got to wait a while to really know (maybe P.J. had character issues that they just didn't like...he might have a great rookie season which causes everyone here to flip out and then he might get suspended for all of year 2...)
 
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