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Tomlin's game management

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I know the lines are drawn in our fan base, and you either like the guy, or you don't, but I do like his ability to challenge his team to get the short yardage conversions on 4th downs and 2points.

When they score our first TD, we're already up 12-3. Going for 2 gives the team a chance to go up by over a TD and FG (Unless they convert a 2pt then it's a tie). If we miss, we're still up by 9. No brainer here. Also the extra point helped when they missed a XP kick later in the game.

The end of the first half, and we have just under 2 min on the clock (1:40), all 3 time outs and a 4th and 1 with a 11pt lead at home, Tomlin elects to go for it. In my business, I manage risk. Plan for the worst, and hope for the best. The worst case scenario (barring a run back for a TD) should be a failed conversion giving the browns the ball on the 1, which is what happened. Having all 3 TOs ensured the steelers would get the ball back with good field position. After 2 runs and an incomplete pass, the steelers gain possession near midfield with over a minute and a time out. When executing a 2min offense, you don't use your TOs until you get close to or beneath your yardage to seconds left ratio. I.E. if you're on the 35 yard line, you go hurry up until you get under 35 sec. Ben throws a great ball to AB at the 32, being 52 seconds left, no need to use the TO, get to the line and execute the play. The next play was a TD and the rout was on.

With play calling, TO management, and situational football acumen, the Steelers had 2 chances at a TD in under 2 minutes. The Browns also nearly fumbled away with 37 seconds left on the 20. Had they done that, it would have mirrored the end of the half against the Houston Texans last year, which is the best execution of end of half situational game management I've ever seen.
 
I do like the aggressiveness and going for 2 more often. The only flaw I see in your post is saying the steelers would have had 2 chances at a TD with under 2 minutes left. Going for it on the goal line was the right choice, but had they converted they would have kicked off with the Browns getting the ball at the 20-25 more than likely. The Browns would not have been so conservative with the play calls and even if they had to punt the Steelers should have been somewhere around their own 30yrd line with not much time left. The chances of getting another TD in that situation are not very high.
 
I like that he plays the percentages.....and that he's given Haley the keys and the green light to unleash this offense. He wont play conservative and he wont play scared. I love that. The league has changed and its all about the offense and no lead is safe anymore (see NYG v NE).

2pts are better than 1, so even if you go 50 percent you wont lose anything in regards to points. We have the personnel that presents mismatches so id be inclined to go for 2 as often as we do. Especially when we had LeVeon. Theres no reason we cant gain 2 yards

Those 33 yrd extra points aren't automatic anymore
 
My surprise was when 4th and what half yard we don't have Williams jump the top of line all he needs is ball over line, throwing fade route seems way less percentage play, We become so straight forward offense when we reach the 15 yard line.
 
My surprise was when 4th and what half yard we don't have Williams jump the top of line all he needs is ball over line, throwing fade route seems way less percentage play, We become so straight forward offense when we reach the 15 yard line.

Hated that play call. Ben threw it way to hard, never even gave Bryant a chance.
 
I was ok with us going for it on 4th and 1. I would have liked us to have scored but it kept the Clowns from getting a kick off and marching down the field with a chance to score and get the ball back in the 2nd half.

The play that changed our game was the TD drop by the Clowns in the 2nd half and then they didn't even get a score on the drive. That changed the game.
 
Love the aggressive call at the end of the half. Hated the play call which is either on Ben or Haley. Williams has been a beast in short yardage all season so let him get a crack from a half yard out.

Regarding going for 2, the announcers actually made some good points when discussing the strategy. They said focusing on 2 point conversions in practice helps both the offense in ALL short yardage situations as well as the defense in defending them. A lot of times a game comes down to a yard here and a yard there so it can only help both sides of the ball when it's become a big focus for us this season. Not to mention, 2 XP's were missed (one by each team) in the game so I would say you have better odds of accumulating more points by going for 2 every time as opposed to kicking now.
 
Love the aggressive call at the end of the half. Hated the play call which is either on Ben or Haley. Williams has been a beast in short yardage all season so let him get a crack from a half yard out.

Regarding going for 2, the announcers actually made some good points when discussing the strategy. They said focusing on 2 point conversions in practice helps both the offense in ALL short yardage situations as well as the defense in defending them. A lot of times a game comes down to a yard here and a yard there so it can only help both sides of the ball when it's become a big focus for us this season. Not to mention, 2 XP's were missed (one by each team) in the game so I would say you have better odds of accumulating more points by going for 2 every time as opposed to kicking now.

You're 100% right on the 2pt rule. The percentages changed severely when that rule changed. It's a better point per percentage play to always go for 2.

It would be great to watch NE lose because of a missed XP in the superbowl or playoffs though.
 
He was talked into going for two (which made no sense in that scenario) and going for it on the one by Ben. They were fortunate to get the ball back and score after being stopped.
 
He was talked into going for two (which made no sense in that scenario) and going for it on the one by Ben. They were fortunate to get the ball back and score after being stopped.

Fortune favors the bold.
 
He was talked into going for two (which made no sense in that scenario) and going for it on the one by Ben. They were fortunate to get the ball back and score after being stopped.

Nope, that was the best move.... Anytime you havethe lead on the one or two, you go for it because if you fail you get the chance at a safety and the ball back... And even if you don't get that the odds are you get the ball back near field goal range anyhow... That was great strategy for this nfl...
 
He's managed pretty well to have them where the are with the injuries. Name me the other NFL coach who has done as well with his starting QB down-let alone a starting franchise QB.
 
Definitely can't be mad at the game Coach T called yesterday. Like you said, the lines have been drawn with our fanbase, but there are still those of us who try to call things like we see them. Tomlin is a very flawed coach that I've been heavily critical of in the past, but yesterday he did a great job. And it started before the game really, allowing Ben to be available
 
He's managed pretty well to have them where the are with the injuries. Name me the other NFL coach who has done as well with his starting QB down-let alone a starting franchise QB.

Just look at Dallas lol
 
Tomlin did good yesterday. He has had is share of bone head type management, but yesterday's game played in to his hand.




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My lone beef with play calling was early in the 4th and backed up deep starting on the 9 I think it was. They were up 24-3, the instructions from me at that time would be to run the clock. Instead, they went run, pass, pass with the second pass resulting in the INT which lead to the Stains only TD of the game. Even if they go 3 and out and punt, they'd eat much more clock than the measly 40 something seconds that they wound up taking. Sure, in the grand scheme of things, it wound up being nothing at all. But you've got one QB who's banged up and nobody to back him up and a 21 point lead. I just don't understand chucking the ball from deep in your own end there.
 
I think that every coach leaves something to be desired with time management -- with the exception of probably Bill Belicheat.

How about the tail end of the Giants game yesterday? Think that a 2 time SB winning coach and QB that beat the Pats twice would know not to leave them time on the clock in that situation?
 
I think that every coach leaves something to be desired with time management -- with the exception of probably Bill Belicheat.

How about the tail end of the Giants game yesterday? Think that a 2 time SB winning coach and QB that beat the Pats twice would know not to leave them time on the clock in that situation?


I still remember watching the Colts Pats a few years back when genius Bill went for it on a 4th and 2 in their own half of the field to try to ice the game instead of punting and giving the Colts a long field to try to score. They were stopped short and Manning had a short field and ultimately won the game at the end. The hilarity ensued with the media trying to defend good ol Bill. Could you imagine if Tomlin did that? He'd be run out of town.

Bill is only a "genius" because he has the players (mainly Brady) to execute for him (not to mention the cheating and constant illegal pick plays lol). Put him back on the Browns and I doubt he's trying to go for it on 4th and 2 from their own 35. One of the most accurate QB's ever will make any coach look like genius (as much as it pains me to say that about Tom Terrific).
 
He was talked into going for two (which made no sense in that scenario) and going for it on the one by Ben. They were fortunate to get the ball back and score after being stopped.

Wow, this is true head-up-your-assness if I've ever seen it. This should be sarcasm, but sadly it's not.
 
He was talked into going for two (which made no sense in that scenario) and going for it on the one by Ben. They were fortunate to get the ball back and score after being stopped.

Can you prove this scenario? Got evidence that this is how it went down?
 
Agreed with the choice to go for it from the one late in the half. If you score, great. If not, the Browns are backed up and there's a good chance of getting the ball again in excellent field position with plenty of time left.

But once again, the situational formation/playcall was baffling -- you've got to put Ben under center there so Cleveland has to respect the possibility of a running play. Still, there were only 6 or 7 guys in the box, and no linebackers at the second level...Ben could have simply audibled to a handoff for an easy touchdown.
 
Agreed with the choice to go for it from the one late in the half. If you score, great. If not, the Browns are backed up and there's a good chance of getting the ball again in excellent field position with plenty of time left.

But once again, the situational formation/playcall was baffling -- you've got to put Ben under center there so Cleveland has to respect the possibility of a running play. Still, there were only 6 or 7 guys in the box, and no linebackers at the second level...Ben could have simply audibled to a handoff for an easy touchdown.

Yeah that has been a problem in general for years. On 3rd and 4th and shorts we go shotgun work no real threat for a running play. I do not get it
 
But once again, the situational formation/playcall was baffling -- you've got to put Ben under center there so Cleveland has to respect the possibility of a running play.

Ummmm, no you don't. Ben played out of the shotgun for nearly the entire game in order to protect his injured foot. That trumps an individual playcall unless we are talking about a play at the end of the game that will determine the outcome.

By the way, the play was a run-pass option. Ben is the one who decided to throw the ball. Steelers Depot showed this was the case very clearly --- you can tell that the play is a RPO by the way the offensive line comes off the ball.
 
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