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This Could be a Tough Draft for Steelers

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I haven’t had as much time this year so i’m late getting into the draft but over the past week as i’ve gotten more up to speed, i don’t like what i see.

If you try your hand at a mock on first pick or wherever, you should see the problem. The steelers could be **** out of their top needs by pick 28.

The top need is obviously an ILB to replace Shazier. A guy who can play run and pass. Seems easy since there are 4 ILBs who generally get a 1st round grade.

Tremaine Edmunds VA Tech
Roquon Smith Georgia
Leighton Vender Esch Boise State
Rashaan Evans Alabama

It seems a lock that Edmunds and Smith will be long gone before 28. Most mocks also have Vender Esch gone. That leavs Evans and that’s the problem, i don’t think he’s a first round athlete.

I watched 5 of his games and i keep seeing the same thing. He’s a physical run stuffer with blitz ability, but he’s not good in space. I watched him miss a bunch of open field tackles. If the runner gives any kind of fake at all, Evans whiffs on the tackle and isn’t athletic enough to quickly adjust.

Some say he played with a groin injury this year. That would explain his open field issues. But i also watched the 2016 game vs Clemson and saw the same.

if Shazier was healthy, Evans would be a good player to fit next to him as a run stuffer and blitzer. But Shazier may never be back, so the steelers need a LB who can play in space against the pass. I don’t think that’s Evans.

I feel taking Evans at 28 would be passing up best player available and going for need. Like Troy Edwards or Jarvis Jones.


But what else can the steelers do at 28? That’s what makes me nervous. There may not be a great option.

I think Safety and edge rusher are the next 2 big needs. This draft is real thin on pass rushers. Maybe Sam Hubbard as a more athletic Chickillo could be an option.

Safety looks bleak for 28. The top guys Derwin James and Mincah Fitzpatrick will be long gone. There’s a steep drop in athletic ability after them. Maybe Ronnie Harrison of Alabama is a consideration but i think later round guys like Jessie Bates of Wake or Igwebuike of Northwestern are better values later.

How about RB? No thanks. I don’t see any first round talent aside from Barkley.

WR? It’s a pretty weak group. Ridley will likely be gone and i’m not crazy about him anyway. I like Moore from Maryland as the best of the group but he doesn’t blow me away as a first rounder.

OL? They are pretty set on OL, but OL could be best player at 28.

TE? This could be possible. With the weak WR group, a guy like Gesicki from Penn State could be the best available playmaker. He’s not a great blocker but if you use him as a big WR, he can be a matchup nightmare. I really like Dallas Goedert as well.

QB? Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson could be available. I’ve heard steelers like Rudolph.

So there’s the problem. Do you reach for need on ILB or Safety. Or do you go best available at TE or QB?

it seems this is the year to make some moves, either up or down. The steelers rarely move up and they have never moved down and out of the first.

Here’s how i would rate the Steelers scenarios best case to worst.

1 Vander Esch at 28 - best mix of value and need. If medicals check out, could be a difference maker.

2 Sam Hubbard at 28 - best pass rusher that could possibly be available at 28

3 TE - Gesicki or Goedert at 28 - either could be best player available and have immediate impact on offense

4 Trade up for Vender Esch - if they feel he won’t make it to 28, a trade up for him is not bad so long as the price is not too high. It’s a big need and his athletic numbers mean star potential.

5 Trade back into round 2 where Evans or a Safety or QB would be better value and add extra picks.

6 Rudolph or Jackson at 28 - if the steelers are sold on one of them, it’s not the worst pick in the world to have one of them sit and learn for a few years

7 Rashaan Evans at 28 - he’ll be a good player but i doubt he’ll be a star. Feels like settling

8 Safety Ronnie Harrison at 28 - don’t like the value. I’d rather other safeties later.

9 RB at 28- Guice is the name thrown around. I’m not a fan. He’s just a guy to me. He can be productive but he’s not special. If they spend a 1st on a RB, he better be special. I’d much rather Rashad Penny. I have him as my #2 RB in this draft. I’d even prefer the value of a guy like Jackson on Northwestern in rd 4 or so.



so there’s my concerns on the first round pick. The steelers could easily see themselves in a bad situation. Because they turn in their card aboyt 10 seconds after they are on the clock, i’m not holding my breath for a trade.

Without a trade, they may have to settle at a position of need or take a wildcard like Gesicki or Mason Rudolph.
 
I don't disagree with most of this.

I didn't watch a lot of games for LVE, but what I did watch I didn't see anything that great considering, as someone said, his best competition won't be drafted before the third round. That maybe a little hyperbole, but it, probably, isn't far off.

Every thing I've seen online agrees with you that the pick we really want won't be there. A trade up for LVE or Evans (as one mock showed) would be a waste of resources IMO.

For RB, i'd want them to take the one that has the best ability to catch out of the backfield. if we take a RB in the first, he needs to be able to replace that ability of Bell's, IMO.

No on WR, no on OL and not particularly happy with TE in the first.

#5 would be my preference and I agree we can get a good safety somewhere early in the second (i.e. Bates) or take Jefferson early in the 2nd if he is still at that point. Shirley, someone will want to trade up to take Jackson or Rudolf if they are there.
 
I think you missed Reid at S. He is rated No. 3 by many and some say he isn't far behind the top 2 guys. If Evans and Reid are sitting there, I think Reid is the BPA.

That's why I have said I won't be shocked at any pick we make at 1-28. It could be a QB, TE, RB, WR or any D position if they truly go BPA. If one of the top 2 WR's slid or if Guice are there, I would not be surprised at all to see them go that way. Many have Guice as a relatively close No. 2 to Barkley. I don't think anyone is close to Barkley but I do think Guice is the No. 2 RB in this draft.

It will be fun watching it from here in Dallas. I work for AT&T and put my name in for a chance to win VIP passes to the draft. Still keeping my fingers crossed. They announce the winner tomorrow.
 
I disagree. With the two stop gaps they got in free agency I think they can go ILB, safety, Corner, RB, TE. I think QB only if they firmly believe their guy is at 1.28. Truth is you get a much better player this way. Bostic will be fine this season and truthfully that wasnt Dirty Red last year. He was playing with a dislocated shoulder. He is a fine backup.
 
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I think this draft is deep, might not be as top heavy as some would like. Which is why a few of us could see a trade down in 1.

But a decent amount of attractive round 2/3 types IMO. That could spill into 4 and 5.

From a depth outlook I am excited.

And who knows maybe someone falls in 1. If not I would be ok with Reid. Evans to a lesser degree.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a S,ILBer,CB, or RB in 1.

In 2 I am thinking either a ILBer, S , or a WR

3 WR if not picked in the first two rounds, RB, ILB or S again if not picked by this point

5 T or G or NT or whatever from above that isn't picked.

7 TE or special teams player. That could be a OLBer, or WR or NT
 
I agree, Tape. I a lot of so-so options expected to be available at 28. Normally I like to see the Steelers get a potentially Pro Bowl player in the first round, but I just don't see it this year. Just about all options are open.
 
I haven’t had as much time this year so i’m late getting into the draft but over the past week as i’ve gotten more up to speed, i don’t like what i see.

If you try your hand at a mock on first pick or wherever, you should see the problem. The steelers could be **** out of their top needs by pick 28.

The top need is obviously an ILB to replace Shazier. A guy who can play run and pass. Seems easy since there are 4 ILBs who generally get a 1st round grade.

Tremaine Edmunds VA Tech
Roquon Smith Georgia
Leighton Vender Esch Boise State
Rashaan Evans Alabama

It seems a lock that Edmunds and Smith will be long gone before 28. Most mocks also have Vender Esch gone. That leavs Evans and that’s the problem, i don’t think he’s a first round athlete.

I watched 5 of his games and i keep seeing the same thing. He’s a physical run stuffer with blitz ability, but he’s not good in space. I watched him miss a bunch of open field tackles. If the runner gives any kind of fake at all, Evans whiffs on the tackle and isn’t athletic enough to quickly adjust.

Some say he played with a groin injury this year. That would explain his open field issues. But i also watched the 2016 game vs Clemson and saw the same.

if Shazier was healthy, Evans would be a good player to fit next to him as a run stuffer and blitzer. But Shazier may never be back, so the steelers need a LB who can play in space against the pass. I don’t think that’s Evans.

I feel taking Evans at 28 would be passing up best player available and going for need. Like Troy Edwards or Jarvis Jones.


But what else can the steelers do at 28? That’s what makes me nervous. There may not be a great option.

I think Safety and edge rusher are the next 2 big needs. This draft is real thin on pass rushers. Maybe Sam Hubbard as a more athletic Chickillo could be an option.

Safety looks bleak for 28. The top guys Derwin James and Mincah Fitzpatrick will be long gone. There’s a steep drop in athletic ability after them. Maybe Ronnie Harrison of Alabama is a consideration but i think later round guys like Jessie Bates of Wake or Igwebuike of Northwestern are better values later.

How about RB? No thanks. I don’t see any first round talent aside from Barkley.

WR? It’s a pretty weak group. Ridley will likely be gone and i’m not crazy about him anyway. I like Moore from Maryland as the best of the group but he doesn’t blow me away as a first rounder.

OL? They are pretty set on OL, but OL could be best player at 28.

TE? This could be possible. With the weak WR group, a guy like Gesicki from Penn State could be the best available playmaker. He’s not a great blocker but if you use him as a big WR, he can be a matchup nightmare. I really like Dallas Goedert as well.

QB? Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson could be available. I’ve heard steelers like Rudolph.

So there’s the problem. Do you reach for need on ILB or Safety. Or do you go best available at TE or QB?

it seems this is the year to make some moves, either up or down. The steelers rarely move up and they have never moved down and out of the first.

Here’s how i would rate the Steelers scenarios best case to worst.

1 Vander Esch at 28 - best mix of value and need. If medicals check out, could be a difference maker.

2 Sam Hubbard at 28 - best pass rusher that could possibly be available at 28

3 TE - Gesicki or Goedert at 28 - either could be best player available and have immediate impact on offense

4 Trade up for Vender Esch - if they feel he won’t make it to 28, a trade up for him is not bad so long as the price is not too high. It’s a big need and his athletic numbers mean star potential.

5 Trade back into round 2 where Evans or a Safety or QB would be better value and add extra picks.

6 Rudolph or Jackson at 28 - if the steelers are sold on one of them, it’s not the worst pick in the world to have one of them sit and learn for a few years

7 Rashaan Evans at 28 - he’ll be a good player but i doubt he’ll be a star. Feels like settling

8 Safety Ronnie Harrison at 28 - don’t like the value. I’d rather other safeties later.

9 RB at 28- Guice is the name thrown around. I’m not a fan. He’s just a guy to me. He can be productive but he’s not special. If they spend a 1st on a RB, he better be special. I’d much rather Rashad Penny. I have him as my #2 RB in this draft. I’d even prefer the value of a guy like Jackson on Northwestern in rd 4 or so.



so there’s my concerns on the first round pick. The steelers could easily see themselves in a bad situation. Because they turn in their card aboyt 10 seconds after they are on the clock, i’m not holding my breath for a trade.

Without a trade, they may have to settle at a position of need or take a wildcard like Gesicki or Mason Rudolph.
Why don't you like safety Reid?

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I think you missed Reid at S. He is rated No. 3 by many and some say he isn't far behind the top 2 guys. If Evans and Reid are sitting there, I think Reid is the BPA.

That's why I have said I won't be shocked at any pick we make at 1-28. It could be a QB, TE, RB, WR or any D position if they truly go BPA. If one of the top 2 WR's slid or if Guice are there, I would not be surprised at all to see them go that way. Many have Guice as a relatively close No. 2 to Barkley. I don't think anyone is close to Barkley but I do think Guice is the No. 2 RB in this draft.

It will be fun watching it from here in Dallas. I work for AT&T and put my name in for a chance to win VIP passes to the draft. Still keeping my fingers crossed. They announce the winner tomorrow.

I don't like Reid in the 1st. I don't want him at all for off field issues, but even just going by on field, i think he's overrated. I'd rather them take a shot on a QB or TE. If guys like Reid, Guice and Evans are BPA then i really hope they trade back.
 
Why don't you like safety Reid?

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I flat out don't want him for off field stuff. I think he could end up a locker room issue. But aside from that, as a player, i think 1st round is too high for him. He's a good athlete but he makes mistakes in coverage. They already have Sean Davis. I still think he can develop into a good player.

I like Jessie Bates better than Reid
 
I flat out don't want him for off field stuff. I think he could end up a locker room issue. But aside from that, as a player, i think 1st round is too high for him. He's a good athlete but he makes mistakes in coverage. They already have Sean Davis. I still think he can develop into a good player.

I like Jessie Bates better than Reid
I really I'm disconnected of all the off-the-field issues, being going on pure talent alone

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I agree, Tape. I a lot of so-so options expected to be available at 28. Normally I like to see the Steelers get a potentially Pro Bowl player in the first round, but I just don't see it this year. Just about all options are open.

Thats aiming sights a little high. They hit about 50 percent on that mark but that includes top 20 picks. This is 28. The Steelers are a good team and should get a little better Thursday and Friday.
 
I like Michel to replace Bell if we go RB.
Very similar styles, but Michel has a bit more speed.
 
I don't disagree with most of this.

I didn't watch a lot of games for LVE, but what I did watch I didn't see anything that great considering, as someone said, his best competition won't be drafted before the third round. That maybe a little hyperbole, but it, probably, isn't far off.

Every thing I've seen online agrees with you that the pick we really want won't be there. A trade up for LVE or Evans (as one mock showed) would be a waste of resources IMO.

For RB, i'd want them to take the one that has the best ability to catch out of the backfield. if we take a RB in the first, he needs to be able to replace that ability of Bell's, IMO.

No on WR, no on OL and not particularly happy with TE in the first.

#5 would be my preference and I agree we can get a good safety somewhere early in the second (i.e. Bates) or take Jefferson early in the 2nd if he is still at that point. Shirley, someone will want to trade up to take Jackson or Rudolf if they are there.

I'm not worried about level of competition with LVE. I think for LB, you can see instincts, ball skills, block shedding, and open field tackling regardless of the level of competition.

LVE does get blocked more than i'd like on tape. His game vs Virginia he got blocked a lot. Virginia ran right at him and i don't think he saw that much in the mountain west. When he does get blocked, it's generally after he made the right read and got to the hole, he just got blocked. I think that's something that's coachable. The key to me is that he gets there.

In some ways he's the opposite of Evans. But i think the big difference for me the open field. I saw LVE track guys down and Evans pretty often misses if the runner has space to make a move. LVE is athletic enough to adjust and still make the tackle, where Evans missed those pretty often.

It feels to me like choosing between Shazier and Hightower a few years ago. Hightower was a guaranteed "good" player. But Shazier was a potential All-Pro game changer. It took Shazier a bit to learn but he was emerging as that difference maker when he was injured. Hightower is as expected, a good but not great player.

For the RBs, i also want a 3 down player. I don't think that's Guice. Penny has good athleticism and i think he can be a good receiver. He has to work on his blocking but so does just about every other RB in the draft. His OL wasn't great and I think that can be good because it means they are already used to having to pick quick gaps instead of running through big holes like many RBs at top ranked teams.

I also like Kerryon Johnson. He's a decent pass blocker and looks to have good hands.
 
Evans is better at getting off blocks. You see what problems Dupree has with that. And yinz want to bring in a guy even worse at it. It is a hard no from me for LVE in the first. He won't be making our run D better. Like in getting in the backfield to make it 3rd and long. Oh I get the Evans concerns but LVE brings even bigger ones. And coming from a non power 5 school that better concern you. There is a reason Steelers stay clear of them. A high bust rate or a low star rate. If someone doesn't fall please Steelers trade down.

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I don't like Reid in the 1st. I don't want him at all for off field issues, but even just going by on field, i think he's overrated. I'd rather them take a shot on a QB or TE. If guys like Reid, Guice and Evans are BPA then i really hope they trade back.

I wouldn't mind trading back to end up with 2 2nd's and 2 3rd's. I think that's where the value for us will be this year. I don't recall reading about Reid having off-field issues. I tried to stay away from guys with off-field issues in my mocks. Totally missed him.
 
The problem with trading oit of the first is you lose the fifth year option. You have to sign him long term by year three or you are looking at franchise tags.
 
I wouldn't mind trading back to end up with 2 2nd's and 2 3rd's. I think that's where the value for us will be this year. I don't recall reading about Reid having off-field issues. I tried to stay away from guys with off-field issues in my mocks. Totally missed him.

I'm not sure if tape is talking about the same thing, but my issue with Reid is his vocal support of the anthem kneelers. Will he become one of them? If so, no thanks. Though, if we take him and he does it, i hope he starts during pre-season so I don't waste money on Sunday Ticket.
 
I'm not worried about level of competition with LVE. I think for LB, you can see instincts, ball skills, block shedding, and open field tackling regardless of the level of competition.

LVE does get blocked more than i'd like on tape. His game vs Virginia he got blocked a lot. Virginia ran right at him and i don't think he saw that much in the mountain west. When he does get blocked, it's generally after he made the right read and got to the hole, he just got blocked. I think that's something that's coachable. The key to me is that he gets there.

In some ways he's the opposite of Evans. But i think the big difference for me the open field. I saw LVE track guys down and Evans pretty often misses if the runner has space to make a move. LVE is athletic enough to adjust and still make the tackle, where Evans missed those pretty often.

It feels to me like choosing between Shazier and Hightower a few years ago. Hightower was a guaranteed "good" player. But Shazier was a potential All-Pro game changer. It took Shazier a bit to learn but he was emerging as that difference maker when he was injured. Hightower is as expected, a good but not great player.

For the RBs, i also want a 3 down player. I don't think that's Guice. Penny has good athleticism and i think he can be a good receiver. He has to work on his blocking but so does just about every other RB in the draft. His OL wasn't great and I think that can be good because it means they are already used to having to pick quick gaps instead of running through big holes like many RBs at top ranked teams.

I also like Kerryon Johnson. He's a decent pass blocker and looks to have good hands.

The issue about getting blocked is that, sure, you may be able to coach it, but the level of player he is going up against is also being coached and he ain't, for a lot of the time, going to be getting blocked by inexperienced 3rd round picks. You do make a good point about the open field, though. If a guy gets loose, LVE can chase them down, or get to the side line to get them out of bounds. I did say in another thread that if they take him, they need to keep him away from the line.

I'm with you on Kerryon Johnson. I'd like to take him, but at our first two picks there are better options at places of bigger needs. He won't be there at 3.28, i dont think.
 
I'm not sure if tape is talking about the same thing, but my issue with Reid is his vocal support of the anthem kneelers. Will he become one of them? If so, no thanks. Though, if we take him and he does it, i hope he starts during pre-season so I don't waste money on Sunday Ticket.

That's right. That would be a big fat NO for me. But, the Steelers top brass are far left liberals so I am sure they are OK with it.
 
A lot of people had Heyward labelled as a bust after year two. Now Dupree started better than Heyward and had a step back year last year (when he was asked to change his role). I'm not sure you might not regret him hitting the free agent market next year, but at bare minimum the Steelers will hold the cards.
 
I truly believe Colbert signed Bostic and Burnett (and Berhe) with the sole intent on taking BPA with every selection in this draft. I think they will prefer that BPA is an ILB or S at some point, but I suspect they're not going to reach for either position. They are just going to stack talent wherever that talent may be.
 
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think if "the" player we really want isn't there, we should go Derrius Guice here.......
 
Evans is better at getting off blocks. You see what problems Dupree has with that. And yinz want to bring in a guy even worse at it. It is a hard no from me for LVE in the first. He won't be making our run D better. Like in getting in the backfield to make it 3rd and long. Oh I get the Evans concerns but LVE brings even bigger ones. And coming from a non power 5 school that better concern you. There is a reason Steelers stay clear of them. A high bust rate or a low star rate. If someone doesn't fall please Steelers trade down.

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sometimes you have to take some risks in the draft. Would you have passed on Khalil Mack a few years ago?

Evans would be an upgrade to Vince Williams, but i’m not looking for a thumper. I can sign a guy in free agency to do that. If i’m spending a 1st on a LB, he better be a great athlete with potential to be a game changer. I think LVE does have that potential.

Alabama blitzed Evans a lot and that is telling. They know he’s a box player. He needs to be moving forward, not side to side. I was actually thinking he could be a decent 3-4 OLB prospect but then i saw his arm length is only 32 and short arms is a huge disadvantage to a pass rusher. He can be a good blitzer and beat blocking RBs but i doubt he could consistently beat OTs.

Dupree has struggled getting off blocks, but his athleticism alone has made him an OK starter as opposed to Jarvis who lacked the athleticism to be a starter.

When you miss on a great athlete, you can usually still get something from them.

LVE may have to be a project. He only started 1 year. He’s raw. I’d rather take the shot on the high ceiling player than the sure thing "good" player.

i think signing Bostic also gives the steelers the time to let LVE develop.

If Shazier was healthy, i might prefer Evans because he would fit perfectly with Shazier. But to try to replace Shazier, i don’t think Evans can do it and LVE possibly could.


If you look at the steelers draft philosophy, they tend to draft the higher ceiling project guy over the sure thing immediate impact guy.
 
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