The Baltimore Ravens hit it out of the park with their 1st round WR

[thesteelcity]

I agree. He needs to hold onto the ball though when it hits his hands on those jump balls. He did early on. Now it is hit or miss for what ever reason. That goes for all our guys. When they just catch the ones they should we were unstoppable at times. Then we got a good case of the dropping the ball. The last 2 games it seems our guys might have put the drops behind them. Let's hope so.

I do like that DJ has put the time in to get better. Chase can continue to work with Ike Hillard on his improvements. too. Hopefully, it doesn't cost us a PO game, but I think all of those guys are going to step it up.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Of he is referring to my many posts on Claypool then yes. Heavy with sarcasm....but as I did point out his play has dropped since early in the season. Hopefully he gets back to early form. We will need him if we want to get where we want to go.

Has it?

First 10 games
39 receptions (3.9 per game)
65 targets (6.5 per game)
559 yards (55.9 per game)
14.3 YPC
8 TDs

Last 6 games
23 receptions
44 targets
314 yards (52.3 per game)
13.7 YPC
1 TD

Drops and contested catches were a problem all season. Claypool dropped two likely TDs off the top of my head in the second half of the year. However, these splits also coincide with the dramatic drop off in offense down the stretch and the complete elimination of the deep ball.

 

[stillwright]

Has it?

First 10 games
39 receptions (3.9 per game)
65 targets (6.5 per game)
559 yards (55.9 per game)
14.3 YPC
8 TDs

Last 6 games
23 receptions
44 targets
314 yards (52.3 per game)
13.7 YPC
1 TD

Drops and contested catches were a problem all season. Claypool dropped two likely TDs off the top of my head in the second half of the year. However, these splits also coincide with the dramatic drop off in offense down the stretch and the complete elimination of the deep ball.

Maybe not..... stats-wise that is....but early on in the season it seemed he caught the contested passes. During that bad stretch, he didn't or so it seemed. Even on Sunday, he dropped one that hit him at the high point right between both hands. So yeah....stats didn't tell the whole story now. Has it?

Also, I will add the elimination of the deep ball was partly because Claypool had a bad case of the drops.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Maybe not..... stats-wise that is....but early on in the season it seemed he caught the contested passes. During that bad stretch, he didn't or so it seemed. Even on Sunday, he dropped one that hit him at the high point right between both hands. So yeah....stats didn't tell the whole story now. Has it?

Also, I will add the elimination of the deep ball was partly because Claypool had a bad case of the drops.

If that's the case, Randy needs fired yesterday. They have other receivers capable of catching the deep ball. They didn't use them in the deep ball game though. Even though, by Tomlin's admission, they were limiting Claypool's snaps down the stretch. Instead, they kept trying to feed DJ on those slants and after they were in 3rd down, they'd try to hit JuJu on crossers (If they didn't go back to DJ). The deep ball was missing mostly because they refused to use it.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

If that's the case, Randy needs fired yesterday. They have other receivers capable of catching the deep ball. They didn't use them in the deep ball game though. Even though, by Tomlin's admission, they were limiting Claypool's snaps down the stretch. Instead, they kept trying to feed DJ on those slants and after they were in 3rd down, they'd try to hit JuJu on crossers (If they didn't go back to DJ). The deep ball was missing mostly because they refused to use it.

And because the route trees were extremely poorly designed and forced the majority of throws and reads to the outside causing Ben to miss some open receivers in the middle due to the time to throw being limited and having to make your reads to quickly. That is mostly a coaching issue.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Maybe not..... stats-wise that is....but early on in the season it seemed he caught the contested passes. During that bad stretch, he didn't or so it seemed. Even on Sunday, he dropped one that hit him at the high point right between both hands. So yeah....stats didn't tell the whole story now. Has it?

Also, I will add the elimination of the deep ball was partly because Claypool had a bad case of the drops.

He left plays on the field all season. His TDs just made us forget his drops.

 

[Claypool1]

In Brown's defense, if Ben was throwing to him, he'd have much better stats.

Totally agree. Jackson is a glorified RB, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[stillwright]

If that's the case, Randy needs fired yesterday. They have other receivers capable of catching the deep ball. They didn't use them in the deep ball game though. Even though, by Tomlin's admission, they were limiting Claypool's snaps down the stretch. Instead, they kept trying to feed DJ on those slants and after they were in 3rd down, they'd try to hit JuJu on crossers (If they didn't go back to DJ). The deep ball was missing mostly because they refused to use it.

Limiting down the stretch....because he was was running the wrong routes and dropping the ball. Amazing the peeps on here. You state the truth and they think you are hating on the player. Dude is a rookie. It happens.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Limiting down the stretch....because he was was running the wrong routes and dropping the ball. Amazing the peeps on here. You state the truth and they think you are hating on the player. Dude is a rookie. It happens.

Thank you. It feels good to be recognized.

As for what was stated, Tomlin didn't say Claypool was limited down the stretch for any of the reasons you mention. In fact, he clearly stated that they were limiting Claypool to decrease the chance that he was affected by the rookie wall. Maybe you posted one, and I didn't see it earlier, but do you have a link to where someone associated with the Steelers say Claypool was limited because he was running the wrong routes and dropping balls? Any media reports?

Edit: All kidding aside. He IS a rookie. Lots of room to grow. And, I'm glad that he'll do that with the Steelers.

 

[stillwright]

Thank you. It feels good to be recognized.

As for what was stated, Tomlin didn't say Claypool was limited down the stretch for any of the reasons you mention. In fact, he clearly stated that they were limiting Claypool to decrease the chance that he was affected by the rookie wall. Maybe you posted one, and I didn't see it earlier, but do you have a link to where someone associated with the Steelers say Claypool was limited because he was running the wrong routes and dropping balls? Any media reports?

Edit: All kidding aside. He IS a rookie. Lots of room to grow. And, I'm glad that he'll do that with the Steelers.

I know. Tomlin is the only coach that when he says something it is 100% truth. Like when we came back and beat the Colts. Every player was saying how they adjusted. Tomlin simply said when asked that they didn't change a thing. That they just were able to start executing. Go figure.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I know. Tomlin is the only coach that when he says something it is 100% truth. Like when we came back and beat the Colts. Every player was saying how they adjusted. Tomlin simply said when asked that they didn't change a thing. That they just were able to start executing. Go figure.

Red Herring argument. I'm still waiting for the link that shows where anyone said Claypool was running the wrong routes. Could be he ran the right route incorrectly; i.e. not to Ben's satisfaction. I'd believe that one without a link because I've seen Ben correct all the receivers as to how he'd like routes run during games. But to say Claypool ran the wrong routes enough times to get shelved? Nah, need links for that.

 

[stillwright]

Red Herring argument. I'm still waiting for the link that shows where anyone said Claypool was running the wrong routes. Could be he ran the right route incorrectly; i.e. not to Ben's satisfaction. I'd believe that one without a link because I've seen Ben correct all the receivers as to how he'd like routes run during games. But to say Claypool ran the wrong routes enough times to get shelved? Nah, need links for that.

Meh. Durng the games the announcers stated it. On a few radio shows I heard the samething. So when Ben threw deep and Claypool ran an out who do you think my have read the route wrong? When Ben threw an out and Claypool turned up field...who do you think read the route wrong? The 38 year old QB or the rookie WR? The drops happened every game. You need a link though. OK. It was Ben's fault. I will wait for Coryea to jump in now and have a little chat with you on Ben.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Meh. Durng the games the announcers stated it. On a few radio shows I heard the samething. So when Ben threw deep and Claypool ran an out who do you think my have read the route wrong? When Ben threw an out and Claypool turned up field...who do you think read the route wrong? The 38 year old QB or the rookie WR? The drops happened every game. You need a link though. OK. It was Ben's fault. I will wait for Coryea to jump in now and have a little chat with you on Ben.

Interesting. You must have misread my post. Nowhere in it did I say it was Ben's fault. As a matter of fact, I said that during the games you could see Ben correcting Claypool/the other receivers as to "how" he would like certain routes run. Peeps on this site sometimes amaze me too. Especially with how they will ascribe things to you that you didn't say; even though what you did say is right there in writing.

So, another red herring argument because you can't provide a link that shows where anyone credible backs up your belief that Claypool was running the absolute wrong routes. I did give you a bone when I said it was more than possible that he was running the right route, incorrectly. Which is why Ben would take him aside and tell him how he would like the route run. But again, running the wrong route entirely? Rookie or not, that type of stuff is getting you a permanent seat on the bench. Not underutilized. Benched.

In any event. No link is forthcoming. As for Tomlin and rookie receivers, he has a history of not using them extensively during the season. With Bryant, and to some extent JuJu, it was using them less during the beginning of the season. With Claypool, lower usage came during the last quarter of the season. The exception was DJ. And that was an exception out of necessity. But, the history/pattern/habit of not using rookie WRs extensively during the season is a Tomlin trademark; for better or worse.

 

[stillwright]

Interesting. You must have misread my post. Nowhere in it did I say it was Ben's fault. As a matter of fact, I said that during the games you could see Ben correcting Claypool/the other receivers as to "how" he would like certain routes run. Peeps on this site sometimes amaze me too. Especially with how they will ascribe things to you that you didn't say; even though what you did say is right there in writing.

So, another red herring argument because you can't provide a link that shows where anyone credible backs up your belief that Claypool was running the absolute wrong routes. I did give you a bone when I said it was more than possible that he was running the right route, incorrectly. Which is why Ben would take him aside and tell him how he would like the route run. But again, running the wrong route entirely? Rookie or not, that type of stuff is getting you a permanent seat on the bench. Not underutilized. Benched.

In any event. No link is forthcoming. As for Tomlin and rookie receivers, he has a history of not using them extensively during the season. With Bryant, and to some extent JuJu, it was using them less during the beginning of the season. With Claypool, lower usage came during the last quarter of the season. The exception was DJ. And that was an exception out of necessity. But, the history/pattern/habit of not using rookie WRs extensively during the season is a Tomlin trademark; for better or worse.

Peeps...LOL... Mocking someone. Class act. Very funny.


So you yourself admit Claypool ran the routes incorrectly. We all saw the passes dropped. So this obviously in your opinion had zero impact on Tomlin's decision on reducing Claypool's role. That is fine. As far as the other rookie's limited rolls. Bryant's role was small if I remember correctly and grew as Tomlin and the team could trust he knew what he was doing. The exact opposite you are describing. JuJu the same thing. And no I don't have or need a link saying Tomlin reduced his role because of the reason I stated. That is stupid when Tomlin is already on record of saying he did it because of the rookie wall. You go on and take your Tomlin speak as the holy grail. You know ...because he NEVER uses coach speak when talking to the media. SMH

Honestly, I don't even understand why you are even debating me on this subject. Claypool's play regressed from early on. In my opinion, this affected his role. Tomlin gave him less of a role. That is what a coach should do until he proves he is worthy of the larger role again. Just like Tomlin did to Johnson and his drops.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Peeps...LOL... Mocking someone. Class act. Very funny.


So you yourself admit Claypool ran the routes incorrectly. We all saw the passes dropped. So this obviously in your opinion had zero impact on Tomlin's decision on reducing Claypool's role. That is fine. As far as the other rookie's limited rolls. Bryant's role was small if I remember correctly and grew as Tomlin and the team could trust he knew what he was doing. The exact opposite you are describing. JuJu the same thing. And no I don't have or need a link saying Tomlin reduced his role because of the reason I stated. That is stupid when Tomlin is already on record of saying he did it because of the rookie wall. You go on and take your Tomlin speak as the holy grail. You know ...because he NEVER uses coach speak when talking to the media. SMH

Honestly, I don't even understand why you are even debating me on this subject. Claypool's play regressed from early on. In my opinion, this affected his role. Tomlin gave him less of a role. That is what a coach should do until he proves he is worthy of the larger role again. Just like Tomlin did to Johnson and his drops.

Man, you bounce around a lot with your arguments.
First it was Claypool ran the wrong routes entirely..
Then it was that I said Ben was at fault.
Now, after I said, Claypool ran the RIGHT routes incorrectly. You've latched onto that. OK, sure, count it as a win. I agree since, I posited it.
Lumped in with the incorrectly run routes is the nugget that Tomlin is a good coach for reducing his role when he "regressed'. And that the "rookie wall" was coach speak. I guess it's not possible that Tomlin saw the effects of Claypool starting to hit the Rookie wall bearing fruit in "regressed" play and decided to reduce his playing time. You know because hitting the rookie wall would never cause players mental and/or physical fatigue; and would never lead a player to run the RIGHT route INCORRECTLY. Might even lead to a rookie dropping some balls.
Whatever the issue was, let's just hope it's over and Claypool is not only incorporated into the game plans moving forward, but is able to deliver.

 

[stillwright]

Man, you bounce around a lot with your arguments.
First it was Claypool ran the wrong routes entirely..
Then it was that I said Ben was at fault.
Now, after I said, Claypool ran the RIGHT routes incorrectly. You've latched onto that. OK, sure, count it as a win. I agree since, I posited it.
Lumped in with the incorrectly run routes is the nugget that Tomlin is a good coach for reducing his role when he "regressed'. And that the "rookie wall" was coach speak. I guess it's not possible that Tomlin saw the effects of Claypool starting to hit the Rookie wall bearing fruit in "regressed" play and decided to reduce his playing time. You know because hitting the rookie wall would never cause players mental and/or physical fatigue; and would never lead a player to run the RIGHT route INCORRECTLY. Might even lead to a rookie dropping some balls.
Whatever the issue was, let's just hope it's over and Claypool is not only incorporated into the game plans moving forward, but is able to deliver.

Nope. I keep stating Claypool's reduced roll was due to drops and wrong routes. You stated it wasn't. That Tomlin stated it was the rookie wall. You later said it wasn't wrong routes but right routes ran wrong. Yeah ok. Claypool as a rookie never ran a wrong route. Now you are arguing that his drops and route running is because of him hitting the rookie wall. Umm. Ok

 

[steel dino]

Speaking of Claypool...

Is it just me ...or does it look like he lost 15-20 pounds from start of season?

 

[Ike Kelly]

Speaking of Claypool...

Is it just me ...or does it look like he lost 15-20 pounds from start of season?

I’m glad someone else noticed this.......I know guys weights will drop during the season, but Claypool does look slimmer (or maybe toned up from being in a pro workout regimen the last 4-5 months).


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[SteelBuckeye]

Nope. I keep stating Claypool's reduced roll was due to drops and wrong routes. You stated it wasn't. That Tomlin stated it was the rookie wall. You later said it wasn't wrong routes but right routes ran wrong. Yeah ok. Claypool as a rookie never ran a wrong route. Now you are arguing that his drops and route running is because of him hitting the rookie wall. Umm. Ok

And what are you implying? Possibly that he ran entirely wrong routes because he’s too stupid to have learned the playbook? The implication is there even if you don’t say the silent part out loud. Nah, I’m more inclined to believe he ran the right route, but not to Ben’s satisfaction. And, between the two of them, he better learn how Ben wants the route run.

And yes, mental and physical fatigue can lead to mental and physical mistakes. That’s hard to understand?

In any event, we disagree on certain aspects of this and I’ll just leave it at that. Good day sir.


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[stillwright]

And what are you implying? Possibly that he ran entirely wrong routes because he’s too stupid to have learned the playbook? The implication is there even if you don’t say the silent part out loud. Nah, I’m more inclined to believe he ran the right route, but not to Ben’s satisfaction. And, between the two of them, he better learn how Ben wants the route run.

And yes, mental and physical fatigue can lead to mental and physical mistakes. That’s hard to understand?

In any event, we disagree on certain aspects of this and I’ll just leave it at that. Good day sir.


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Again. I simply stated Claypool's role was reduced because he was dropping balls and "running routes incorrectly ". You quoted me and brought Tomlin into the equation and we have gone full circle that because he dropped passes and ran routes "incorrectly " that he hit the rookie wall as you said Tomlin stated. Again.... Ok. Read what you want into what I said.