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So is Ben a "10"?

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Given BigApple's commentary about Roethlisberger never being the "top" QB in a given season and that meaning he wasn't all that great. (Yes, he sort of backpedaled and stated later, "Well, I suppose he'll get into the H.O.F., but really, he's never been dominant!" or something to that effect.)

I understand that argument, and I understand that folks (often folks right here on the nation) tend to gloss over just how good Roethlisberger is. So I decided to go ahead and compile, for your edification and concise guide to Roethlisberger's extraordinary dominance over his career - He still has 4 to 5 years potentially...

Passes Completed: 3476. Roethlisberger ranks 13th all time. Next year he'll pass Kerry Collins and Fran Tarkenton.
Before his career ends he'll surpass Drew Bledsoe, Warren Moon and John Elway.

Completion %: 64.1 Roethlisberger ranks 11th all time.

Yard Per Attempt: 7.9 Roethlisberger currently ranks 8th all time. What is particularly impressive here is that despite his high number of passes completed, and his completion percentage, Roethlisberger, throws downfield. A spectacular combination. Unlike another QB who averages a full half yard less than Roethlisberger per attempt.

Gross Yards: 42,995 Roethlisberger currently ranks 13 all time in gross yards. This comes as no surprise when you look at his other cumulative stats. When you have one of the most accurate passers who happens to throw the longest ball over the span of his career, you would expect him to be in the top tier of QBs in terms of yards all time as well. Next season Roethlisberger will pass Dan Fouts, Drew Bledsoe and likely Vinny Testaverde. He will undoubtedly pass John Elway before his career is over.

Touchdowns: 272. Roethlisberger currently ranks 14th all time. Next year he will almost immediately pass by Joe Montana and Vinny. By the end of the year he may catch Johnny Unitas. John Elway and Fran Tarkenton are on the horizon later in Roethlisberger's career.

It is safe to assume that when he does retire, Ben will be safely entrenched inside the top 10 all time in several of these categories. Including Touchdowns, Yards, Yards Per Attempt, and Passes Completed.

He will have at least 2 Superbowl victories, perhaps more. It is likely he will have remained with one team throughout his career. Honestly I find it hard to comprehend how any logical fan can look at Roethlisberger's body of work over the long term and not be completely astonished at his consistency and absolute brilliance.
 
A Solíd 10! The guy hasn't been number 1 because he has shared his career with manning and bwady*, those are two sure fire hof (yeah, almost puke after writing that), add brees and it has been a super elite group since day One for Big Ben
 
Beyond any numbers, Roethlisberger has been spectacular to watch throughout his entire career. There really isn't a quarterback like him in the league right now and none on the immediate horizon.
 
People will use the era debate, but lets look at this era's QBs...

Ben is 33.... Brees, Brady and Manning are all better statistically, but also are 4,5and 6 years older. Manning will be out of reach, but the rest are statistically obtainable depending on how long Ben plays


Of the group ben is closest in age to:
Rodgers may be perceived to be better, but he is 10,000 yards behind Ben and only one year younger. he spent years developing behind Favre, and
Eli has a few edges in some stats, but is two years older, Rivers is one year older... its realistic Ben ends up with the absolute best overall numbers of his age group( two or three years older or younger), which kills the era talk... and depending how many more playoff games he has left, its likely he finishes top 5 in many of those numbers too
 
Of coarse he is a 10 !!!!!!!!!! Add in the fact he had arguable the WORST offensive line in football for 6 + years..........Stick that feather in his cap on top of it all !!!!!! Those other QBs would be broken right now if they nhad to endure his earlier OL that he had. Makes his stats that much MORE impressive.



Salute the nation
 
The only reason people aren't more impressed is because a few of his contemporaries have better numbers. But playing constantly under pressure and still able to maintain his level of play, throwing downfield, being on winning teams, stepping his game up to ELITE levels in the past couple years, etc.yes he's a 10 and 1st ballot HOF
 
I think if you factor playoffs, ben is behind only brady and manning... And bradyis a known cheat
 
Ben would be much higher already if the Steelers weren't a running team for most of the first half of his career.
 
steel dino said:
IMO...this was a blessing in disguise for Ben...
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That can be looked at two ways

1.) This hid his indecision to a degree. It gave him more time to acclemate to the speed and dynamics of the NFL.

2.) It took away his "young, no consequiences attitude" Ben had extreamly high passer ratings even in his rookie year. He was very efficient in the passing game. The argument was they were a running team to set up the pass and in reality they passed so efficient, it set up the run.

In any event, either way it has gotten BEN to where he is today. He is a FIRST BALLOT HOFer. His GA incident didn't help with his popularity so he would be more acknowledged today had that not occured. I'll take him over cheater and pineapple head any day. I'll be sad when he retires, but happy for him.



Salute the nation
 
madinsomniac said:
I think if you factor playoffs, ben is behind only brady and manning... And bradyis a known cheat
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I'll take Ben's 11-6 playoff record and 2-1 SB record over Manning's 13-13 playoff record and only 1 SB ring (1-3 in SB?).

And damn right, Brady and his cohorts are known cheaters!
 
Ben did not play well in SB 40, no question. But the Steelers don't get there without him, so I think that's a wash. 2008 was an incredible year where the O and D were both great.

The question isn't about Ben being the best QB in the league, rather, do they get to 3 SBs without him. I don't think so.
 
Backpedal? Bring it on.

Like I said. Ben is a great QB. I dont think me or anyone else on this board (besides that Xc fellow) has said otherwise. He will most likely be a HOF. And if we win #7, he will likely be first ballot (That GA incident wont go away as easily as you may believe).

But many of you arent being completely objective, which is understandable considering that we have been without a franchise QB for decades. Lets play a game:

Pass Yards: 14th all time
QB Rating: 8th all time
Pass TDs: 11th all time
Pass Ints: 135 (compared to Bens 147s)
Pass Yds/Att: 7.8 (Ben's 7.9)

Those stats, which are almost identical to Ben's, belong to none other than Phillip River.

We all have to accept that we are living in the passing era. And whether we like it or not, this era is most associated with Brady, Rodgers, Manning, and Bree's.
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
Backpedal? Bring it on.

Like I said. Ben is a great QB. I dont think me or anyone else on this board (besides that Xc fellow) has said otherwise. He will most likely be a HOF. And if we win #7, he will likely be first ballot (That GA incident wont go away as easily as you may believe).

But many of you arent being completely objective, which is understandable considering that we have been without a franchise QB for decades. Lets play a game:

Pass Yards: 14th all time
QB Rating: 8th all time
Pass TDs: 11th all time
Pass Ints: 135 (compared to Bens 147s)
Pass Yds/Att: 7.8 (Ben's 7.9)

Those stats, which are almost identical to Ben's, belong to none other than Phillip River.

We all have to accept that we are living in the passing era. And whether we like it or not, this era is most associated with Brady, Rodgers, Manning, and Bree's.
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When the going gets tough, Big Ben gets going. Tell me when rivers took his super chargers, who were always preseason favorites and loaded with talent apparently, to the playoffs and even sniff out a SB.
I feel insulted that you compare him to rivers
 
Let me know when Rivers leads a last minute super bowl winning drive.

I think the whole thing started when he ranked Brown as a 10 in another thread where a 10 meant HOF player and not Ben.
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
Backpedal? Bring it on.

Like I said. Ben is a great QB. I dont think me or anyone else on this board (besides that Xc fellow) has said otherwise. He will most likely be a HOF. And if we win #7, he will likely be first ballot (That GA incident wont go away as easily as you may believe).

But many of you arent being completely objective, which is understandable considering that we have been without a franchise QB for decades. Lets play a game:

Pass Yards: 14th all time
QB Rating: 8th all time
Pass TDs: 11th all time
Pass Ints: 135 (compared to Bens 147s)
Pass Yds/Att: 7.8 (Ben's 7.9)

Those stats, which are almost identical to Ben's, belong to none other than Phillip River.

We all have to accept that we are living in the passing era. And whether we like it or not, this era is most associated with Brady, Rodgers, Manning, and Bree's.
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You mean the same era in which Ben lead the NFL in passing yards last year (Tied with Mr Brees) and led the NFL in passing yards per game this year? He's got the stats, AND he has the hardware...Ben has been getting A LOT more praise lately from the media than he ever got before. People are starting to realize what coaches and players around the league have already known for awhile, Ben is an elite QB in the NFL, and Haley's offense has really showcased that on a broader scale.
 
I knew while I was compiling the stats that Phillip Rivers would enter the conversation. And it's true that statistical factors alone can't make up a "10". That's why you can't look at Ben's numbers and simply say, Well, he's never been the #1 guy in a given season so he's not the top dog. Phillip Rivers does have extraordinary stats in many categories, it's true. However he simply doesn't win big games. He lacks the leadership you need to get you to the next level. Rivers needs a specific cast of players around him to get him to another level. Players like Roethlisberger have demonstrated that they can perform pretty much regardless of who they are working with. (See the Divisional Playoff game vs the Broncos.) as on minute example.

The Steelers walk into that game minus the #1 and #2 running backs, down to the #2, and #3 receivers and still are leading throughout that game until a late mistake. In fact, the very defense that destroyed the P*ts and the Panthers was handled quite easily by the Steelers, who were essentially crippled.

Ya, he's no Rivers.
 
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