Ray Rice plea deal

[t-man]

Well, it looks like Ray Rice is going to have to go to anger management classes, as part of a plea deal. Odd how we went ALL this time without ANYONE in the media demanding swift action from our beloved commissioner. Strange how he has had ZERO comment on the matter, even after Ray was indicted. Very strange indeed.

I guess the rules are different now than wayyyyy back in 2010 or so.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ravens-rb-ray-rice-due-060143426--nfl.html

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Well, it looks like Ray Rice is going to have to go to anger management classes, as part of a plea deal. Odd how we went ALL this time without ANYONE in the media demanding swift action from our beloved commissioner. Strange how he has had ZERO comment on the matter, even after Ray was indicted. Very strange indeed.

I guess the rules are different now than wayyyyy back in 2010 or so.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ravens-rb-ray-rice-due-060143426--nfl.html

I hear you and also agree with you...

But its reaallll hard to throw the book at the dude when the stupid girl went through and married him. That means that there was little desire by any party (Rice, the fiance, the Ravens/NFL) to make this a big deal. Thus, the story kinda gets lost in the shuffle.

 

[thumbring]

Either way, the NFL should feel free to suspend him for 4-6 games at least. Whether she is an idiot or not, he tarnished the shield. Can't have that.

 

[Superman]

just shows kids that you CAN beat a woman as long as you marry her.

then divorce her and give her half your ****.

 

[t-man]

I hear you and also agree with you...

But its reaallll hard to throw the book at the dude when the stupid girl went through and married him. That means that there was little desire by any party (Rice, the fiance, the Ravens/NFL) to make this a big deal. Thus, the story kinda gets lost in the shuffle.

Uh, the chick in the Rothlisberger accusation wouldn't even go back to the police station to clear up questions they had for her. A lawyer at her house said she just wanted to move forward. Perhaps in the light of day, without her sorority sisters there egging her on, making an accusation she wasn't so sure about didn't seem like nearly the idea it had the night before. Either way, Roger Dodger sure did toss the ******* book at our star QB though, didn't he? And that's the one thing the Rooneys have done since I've been a fan that I haven't agreed with, they let it happen. THEY should be hopping ******* mad right about now.

Joe

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Uh, the chick in the Rothlisberger accusation wouldn't even go back to the police station to clear up questions they had for her. A lawyer at her house said she just wanted to move forward. Perhaps in the light of day, without her sorority sisters there egging her on, making an accusation she wasn't so sure about didn't seem like nearly the idea it had the night before. Either way, Roger Dodger sure did toss the ******* book at our star QB though, didn't he? And that's the one thing the Rooneys have done since I've been a fan that I haven't agreed with, they let it happen. THEY should be hopping ******* mad right about now.

Joe

You said it yourself. She pressed charges. She went on to tell her "terrible story of the Big Bad Ben" regardless how drunk/slutty she might have been. Whether it was her/her friends/family, they put the story out to the public and the media ate it up. The suspension was bull-----, but everyone in the media was looking at Roger to do something.

The munchkin's case is the exact opposite. The girl did her best to keep the story away from the media- despite the glaring video evidence. No media outrage mean no profits lost, which means no action necessary by Goddell...

 

[t-man]

You said it yourself. She pressed charges. She went on to tell her "terrible story of the Big Bad Ben" regardless how drunk/slutty she might have been. Whether it was her/her friends/family, they put the story out to the public and the media ate it up. The suspension was bull-----, but everyone in the media was looking at Roger to do something.

The munchkin's case is the exact opposite. The girl did her best to keep the story away from the media- despite the glaring video evidence. No media outrage mean no profits lost, which means no action necessary by Goddell...

She didn't "Press charges" she made a statement, one ******* statement, she then refused to come down to the ************* station to clear up some of the questions. As a matter of ******* fact, she ALSO told the police she wouldn't go to court either. But hey, however you need to remember the actual story to support your point. Oh, and I don't believe she EVER talked to a reporter directly either, if she did, please post a link below. Yes, the media ran with it, but all Roger had to do was say "We will rule on this matter if and when charges are filed". Which, of course, he didn't ******* do.

Joe

 

[t-man]

And for ***** sake, there is a video of him dragging her out of the ******* elevator. I mean, what the **** does the media need to actually pursue the story?

 

[ark steel]

And for ***** sake, there is a video of him dragging her out of the ******* elevator. I mean, what the **** does the media need to actually pursue the story?

A republican and/or white man to blame?

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

She didn't "Press charges" she made a statement, one ******* statement, she then refused to come down to the ************* station to clear up some of the questions. As a matter of ******* fact, she ALSO told the police she wouldn't go to court either. But hey, however you need to remember the actual story to support your point. Oh, and I don't believe she EVER talked to a reporter directly either, if she did, please post a link below. Yes, the media ran with it, but all Roger had to do was say "We will rule on this matter if and when charges are filed". Which, of course, he didn't ******* do.

Joe

Look, I agree with you that the case was kind of BS- but you are being kind of a homer right now.

Ben had two similar incidents in a short time span. Sure the girls may not have "wanted" to be in the public eye, but they never said anything to diffuse the story or speak glowingly of Ben's character. As a result, the media ran on its own limited and sometimes tainted view. Basically, their lack of a statement was a statement in and of itself. Rice's wife was proactive in diffusing the situation which DEFINITELY helped his case with public opinion and eventually the shield.

Not saying BB was guilty at all in either case- but public opinion is huge. After the second incident occur, no matter how contrived it may have been, public opinion began to turn very strongly

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

Joes right you know! It's bullshit!! It all depends on what kind if mood someone is in that day as to what will happen to who.

One would think if there is a video of a nfl player dragging a woman out of an elevator he would get some kind of punishment unless of course there was a fire. But no it was out if anger and rage.

 

[JupiterBnG]

Not saying BB was guilty at all in either case- but public opinion is huge.

Maybe we should change our entire legal system to base it on public opinion, since public opinion is so "huge."

Personally, I would rather have justice based on fair and impartial consideration of facts, not public opinion. Whether it's the Supreme Court, or the scandal of the day in the NFL.

 

[ark steel]

Look, I agree with you that the case was kind of BS- but you are being kind of a homer right now.

Ben had two similar incidents in a short time span. Sure the girls may not have "wanted" to be in the public eye, but they never said anything to diffuse the story or speak glowingly of Ben's character. As a result, the media ran on its own limited and sometimes tainted view. Basically, their lack of a statement was a statement in and of itself. Rice's wife was proactive in diffusing the situation which DEFINITELY helped his case with public opinion and eventually the shield.

Not saying BB was guilty at all in either case- but public opinion is huge. After the second incident occur, no matter how contrived it may have been, public opinion began to turn very strongly

If both situations were he said/she said, you might have something. whatever this dumb ***** says/does, there is a ******* video. this in a day where a man can be removed from his house because his wife/girlfriend said he hit her and offer no proof or injury. a ******* video.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Maybe we should change our entire legal system to base it on public opinion, since public opinion is so "huge."

Personally, I would rather have justice based on fair and impartial consideration of facts, not public opinion. Whether it's the Supreme Court, or the scandal of the day in the NFL.

Bro, are you serious?

He was never charged by any legal authority. We all know this! That does not stop people from having opinions or being mad.

We have to admit that during that summer, public opinion of Ben, and the NFL (a league ripe with stories such as these) began to sour. The owners want nothing to sully the potential earning power of the shield, which unfortunately Ben did putting himself in the situation.

The league doesn't care about legality- it cares about $$. Period. Some of you fail to comprehend this basic concept that its a business...

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

If both situations were he said/she said, you might have something. whatever this dumb ***** says/does, there is a ******* video. this in a day where a man can be removed from his house because his wife/girlfriend said he hit her and offer no proof or injury. a ******* video.

I agree with you- each incident made me pissed because they sounded like a chick looking for a payday

But I knew that once the 2nd story came around that he would be in trouble- no matter how fallacious the story appeared. You cant sell those ugly pink uniforms in October when you promote a guy who was "accused" of rape twice.

 

[keslerclan]

And for ***** sake, there is a video of him dragging her out of the ******* elevator. I mean, what the **** does the media need to actually pursue the story?

Pretty ridiculous that verifiable video and photographic evidence (spygate along w RR) is "shined" while hearsay, prevails in punishment in the NFL. I am confident that Ben's troubles would have been minimal too, if not for the Rooney's involvement in his punishment. They saw the bigger picture, saw the path he was headed down and wanted to protect their investment by sending him a strong message (last chance, Ben). Based on what we've seen since, it would appear that the NFL would rather make an example of 'hard hitters' ON THE FIELD than hard hitters off the field? Anything to sweep the evidence under the rug (tape burning?) and make the problem 'go away' as fast as possible.

 

[DBS1970]

Look, I agree with you that the case was kind of BS- but you are being kind of a homer right now.

Ben had two similar incidents in a short time span. Sure the girls may not have "wanted" to be in the public eye, but they never said anything to diffuse the story or speak glowingly of Ben's character. As a result, the media ran on its own limited and sometimes tainted view. Basically, their lack of a statement was a statement in and of itself. Rice's wife was proactive in diffusing the situation which DEFINITELY helped his case with public opinion and eventually the shield.

Not saying BB was guilty at all in either case- but public opinion is huge. After the second incident occur, no matter how contrived it may have been, public opinion began to turn very strongly

This reinforces my opinion of you as not only a racist but stupid as well.

 

[JupiterBnG]

Bro, are you serious?

Deadly serious. But you don't seem to get the point, which is that "public opinion" is not "the truth." Ben got railroaded because of public opinion, when in truth he deserved none of the punishment he received. That is compounded by the multiple occasions since then where players have done far worse, actually been charged with crimes, and received NO punishment from the league. If the argument is that public opinion wasn't as strong on those cases as it was on Ben's case, it's even more bullshit. These kinds of things, where jobs, outcomes of games (as meaningless as that may be in the big picture of human lives) and profits of businesses like NFL teams can be in the balance, don't you think that maybe we should focus on THE TRUTH, and not public opinion?

He was never charged by any legal authority. We all know this! That does not stop people from having opinions or being mad.

Agreed. But enough people not liking you is no reason to punish someone. If that were the case, Tom Brady would have been executed on live TV by now. Right next to both Presidents Bush, and Obama. Sane, rational people base judgments on FACTS, not opinions.

We have to admit that during that summer, public opinion of Ben, and the NFL (a league ripe with stories such as these) began to sour. The owners want nothing to sully the potential earning power of the shield, which unfortunately Ben did putting himself in the situation.

Then they should not want anything else to sully the potential earning power of the shield, and crack down with some consistent approach. If Ben's offense, for which no criminal charges ever materialized, warranted a 4-game suspension, then a DUI or assault or drug charges should get AT LEAST that level of punishment, and heaps more to boot.

The league doesn't care about legality- it cares about $$. Period. Some of you fail to comprehend this basic concept that its a business...

And the league, and you, are horrible people if truth, fairness and consistency are not as important as perception, opinion and capriciousness. It can be a business, and still be governed by facts, rules and guidelines, and consistency. In fact, I'd say that businesses THRIVE in that environment, and die in environments that lack those things.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

This reinforces my opinion of you as not only a racist but stupid as well.

How in the hell am I racist? lol lol

I freggin love the offseason!

 

[DBS1970]

How in the hell am I racist? lol lol

I freggin love the offseason!

Because you constantly defend the bad behavior of black players and bring up the FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST BEN like there is some kind of equivalence.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

So I guess everyone still so butt hurt is basically in the ‘Ben can do no wrong’ crowd. I think he was innocent but should have never have let himself be put in the situation.

DUI’s, sexual assaults etc. are abundant in the NFL. The difference between the others and Ben is that he is a QB of a storied franchise, and it was his second incident. As a result TMZ, ESPNZ etc. went wild and public opinions were being formed. In order to protect ‘the brand’ from the media outlash- Goddell acted (too) harshly to show that the NFL is women friendly.

If the story wasn’t in the media, or if he was a RB for say the Lions, probably no one bats an eye. But he is the QB for the Pittsburgh Steelers, of course people care. You argue that public opinion doesn’t matter or has nothing to do with $$? How about this?

Every one of the supposed top 5 QB’s has nationally televised commercials (Peyton, Brady, Rogers, Eli, Brees). Hell even Flucco and Kaep got a national spot. What about Big Ben? That’s right- public opinion of our QB still hasn’t fully really recovered. Which hurts his earning power and also the leagues.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Because you constantly defend the bad behavior of black players and bring up the FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST BEN like there is some kind of equivalence.

Please tell my what bad behavior and which black player I have defended?

Youre actually kind of a racist for even assuming this was my thought process

 

[DBS1970]

Please tell my what bad behavior and which black player I have defended?

Youre actually kind of a racist for even assuming this was my thought process

Well Ray Rice for starters.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Well Ray Rice for starters.

Dear Idiot,

Show me where I defended what that midget did to his fiance. Please.

 

[JupiterBnG]

DUI’s, sexual assaults etc. are abundant in the NFL. The difference between the others and Ben is that he is a QB of a storied franchise

So, what you're saying is, important/famous people have less expectation of due process than the average person, because of the effects of "public opinion?" If someone famous is accused of something, they're automatically guilty until proven innocent?

Ironically, decades of precedents show that Ben's case is the exception, rather than the rule. Society EXPECTS celebrities to have an easier time of these things. Ben was targeted for character assassination, by his accusers, the Rooneys and Goodell, apparently to "teach him a lesson." The only good news is it seems to have worked, to the extent that you don't hear these kinds of stories about him any more. Kind of a "scared straight" program especially for him. But if the NFL is worried about perception, they should be all over ALL of these things. Especially if the punishment seems to be effective in preventing repeat behaviors.

and it was his second incident.

Second ALLEGED incident. Again, no charges or legal actions against him, just someone (who was later shown to be a crackpot) making unproven allegations. Followed by someone else making unproven allegations.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's highly likely that Ben had sexual contact with both women. I think it's highly likely that he acted like an ******* toward both of them afterwards. I also think it's highly likely that both women, knowing who he was, and feeling like they'd been used (despite having consented), felt like they could get some easy fame and money by making their allegations. I also agree that Ben walked more or less blindly into situations that put his reputation at risk. But his stupidity doesn't justify the punishment that he received, in light of other offenses committed by other players where real criminal charges were at play.