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Rating our offensive starters.

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Part II Rating our offensive starters. Going with a 3WR, 1 RB and 1 TE set for the starting group.

Ratings are a mix from last season and past seasons as a Steeler.


10. HOF player in his prime years.
9. Pro Bowl player in his prime. Among the top vote-getters at his position. Possible candidate for the Hall of Fame.
8: Fringe Pro Bowl player (Great on field play, may or may not make the Pro Bowl depending on injuries and Superbowl exemption status of players before them). *Props to Cope for coming up with a better description.*
7. Very good NFL starter.
6. Better than average NFL starter
5. Slightly below average NFL starter
4. Below average NFL starter. Best suited as a backup
3. Fringe player, would not start on 90% of the teams. 2nd to third 3rd man.
2. The 45th to 53th man on most teams. A 3rd string man.
1. Practice-squad type of player


My grades.


STARTERS


Brown: 10. The best receiver in the NFL likely would have had a 2,000-yard season if Ben wasn't out for several games. He's mentally and physically on top of his game and makes the tough catch look easy.

Roethlisberger: 9.5 Yes-- Ben is likely going to the hall of fame. He's still in his prime. To rate higher, he just needs to limit his bad throws and interceptions. His mobility looks to have lost a 1/2 step, but he can still avoid the rush or run if needed.

Bell: 9. Bell is a very good all around run, catch and block back. He does, however, lack some open field speed and has had injury / off the field issues which bring down his grade. With our skill players and OL, I wonder if Bell is "that" Great as Williams did just as well when he went down. Pretty rare for a back in his 30's like Williams to have one of his best seasons on a new team.

Boswell. 8.5. A true find! Boswell is money on field goals ranging from 20-55 yards, and decent on kickoffs. He has pro bowl ability and did it in one of the toughest stadiums to kick in. I only need to see him do it again to call him elite.

DeCastro: 8.5 A very mobile guard who can block on the second level and a very good technician. Solid in pass protection and rather smart. I know he made the pro bowl this season, but I still think he's only average as an inline run blocker.

Gilbert. 8 Perhaps the most improved player on the offense, Gilbert is a mauler in the run game, and good as a pass protector. I seldom hear his name called for penalties. I thought he deserved the pro bowl this season.

Pouncey. 7 Injured yet again, Pouncey is a very athletic and mobile center capable of pulling and blocking on the second level. I think his best season was his rookie season. Untradeable due to upfront paid bonuses, he's likely the most overpaid player on offense.

Bryant. 7. Bryant has the ability to rate much higher. In some games, he can play like a 9 or 10! He's got Randy Moss like ability. The trouble for him is consistency and off he field issues.

Miller. 6.5 Miller going into his 12th season. No longer in his prime, he's still a very good overall tight end. For me, his best think his best asset is how he can help a team and flexibility in deployment. In the Running game, Miller can be deployed as an in-line blocker or pulling player. As a pass blocker, he's among the best in the NFL. His receiving ability has tailed off a bit due to declining speed, but he's still dependable in this department.

Foster. 6.5 An underrated player. Solid in both phases of the game. The main drawback is a lack of foot speed and range to deploy him. I think he's a goner in free agency and we will miss him as the next man up isn't nearly as good.

Wheaton. 5.5. Wheaton has value as an outside receiver, a slot receiver and returns man. On another team, however, I think he could have much better performances as the Steelers don't feature him often do to better talents at receiver. A free agent soon I think we should try to trade him now.

Villanueva. 5.5 Villanueva gave up a lot of sacks, but this is to be expected for a new starting left tackle. Villanueva biggest flaw is a lack of foot speed vs. speed rushers. This can not be fixed. He's a nice run blocker and a gamer. With his first year under his belt, I expect he'll be better next season, but will he be good enough to keep the job for several years? That remains to be seen.


OTHERS:

Williams 8.5. He offers better inside power running and speed in comparison to Bell, but isn't quite as nifty as a receiver or blocker.

Nix. 6. A true hammer type of FB, who makes plays on special teams. I appreciate his game.

Heyward-Bey. 5. A nice 4th WR who can make plays when called upon.

Coates. 5 with an upward pointing arrow. Raw, but he's something to see with the ball in his hands.

James. 5 The rookie showed some things, and could prove to be a decent pass catching Tight End. His blocking is on the weak side.

Wallace. 4. A gamer who has journeyman ability, he's the primary back-up at Center, and possibly guard for now. Might start next year if we lose Foster.

Jones 3.5 Clearly not the long term answer as the main backup. He had weapons and a nice OL and has been in the system for three years. No excuses.

Hubbard. 2.0. Just awful in the pre-season.


PRIMARY OFF SEASON AND DRAFT NEEDS


Interior OL Depth / starter at guard if Foster leaves. Possible 3rd or 4th round pick spent here. Or a free agent is signed.
A better backup QB. I prefer to sign a veteran who wants a ring and can upgrade us
A better pass catching TE
Better depth at tackle. Possible 4th or 7th round pick spent here.



** I reserve the right to edit these rankings after feedback and thinking about it. **
 
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Maybe my memory is going, but didn't we do this exact rating about a month ago?
 
Pouncey is a top 3 Center and getting paid as such. Hardly overpaid.

Calling Heath Miller "Above Average" at this point in his career is homerism at its best.
 
Pouncey is a top 3 Center and getting paid as such. Hardly overpaid.

Calling Heath Miller "Above Average" at this point in his career is homerism at its best.

I had at Miller at 6.5. and called Pouncey a 7. Miller is older with lots of wear and tear. In his prime, he was an 8.5 type.

I do not think Pouncey is a top 3 center now, that's fanboyism. #53 is making $10.5 M this season. Sure he's not overpaid!

7. Very good NFL starter
6. Better than average NFL starter

http://overthecap.com/player/maurkice-pouncey/1621/
 
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Part II Rating our offensive starters. Going with a 3WR, 1 RB and 1 TE set for the starting group.


10. HOF player
9. Pro Bowl player in his prime
8. Pro Bowl player on the decline
7. Very good NFL starter
6. Better than average NFL starter
5. Slightly below average NFL starter
4. Below average NFL starter. Best suited as a backup
3. Fringe player, would not start on 90% of the teams
2. The 45th to 53th man on most teams. A 3rd string man.
1. Practice-squad type of player


My grades.


STARTERS


Brown: 10. The best receiver in the NFL likely would have had a 2,000-yard season if Ben wasn't out for several games. He's mentally and physically on top of his game and makes the tough catch look easy.
9 - He's at the top of his game, but if stopped playing right now he isn't a HOFer, IMO.

Roethlisberger: 9 Yes-- Ben is likely going to the hall of fame. He's still in his prime. To rate higher, he just needs to limit his bad throws and interceptions. His mobility looks to have lost a 1/2 step, but he can still avoid the rush or run if needed.
10 - The only Steeler in this category

Bell: 9. Bell is a very good all around run, catch and block back. He does, however, lack some open field speed and has had injury / off the field issues which bring down his grade. With our skill players and OL, I wonder if Bell is "that" Great as Williams did just as well when he went down. Pretty rare for a back in his 30's like Williams to have one of his best seasons on a new team.
8 - Obviously, not in decline, but needs to be on the field at the end of the year to be any higher, regardless of skills, which are All-Pro level.

Boswell. 9. A true find! Boswell is money on field goals ranging from 20-55 yards, and decent on kickoffs. He has pro bowl ability and did it in one of the toughest stadiums to kick in. I only need to see him do it again to call him elite.
7 - One year sample size

DeCastro: 8.5 A very mobile guard who can block on the second level and a very good technician. Solid in pass protection and rather smart. I know he made the pro bowl this season, but I still think he's only average as an inline run blocker.

Gilbert. 8 Perhaps the most improved player on the offense, Gilbert is a mauler in the run game, and good as a pass protector. I seldom hear his name called for penalties. I thought he deserved the pro bowl this season.

Pouncey. 7 Injured yet again, Pouncey is a very athletic and mobile center capable of pulling and blocking on the second level. I think his best season was his rookie season. Untradeable due to upfront paid bonuses, he's likely the most overpaid player on offense.
8.5 - Top 2 or 3 center, needs to be on the field at the end of the year

Bryant. 7. Bryant has the ability to rate much higher. In some games, he can play like a 9 or 10! He's got Randy Moss like ability. The trouble for him is consistency and off he field issues.

Miller. 6.5 Miller going into his 12th season. No longer in his prime, he's still a very good overall tight end. For me, his best think his best asset is how he can help a team and flexibility in deployment. In the Running game, Miller can be deployed as an in-line blocker or pulling player. As a pass blocker, he's among the best in the NFL. His receiving ability has tailed off a bit due to declining speed, but he's still dependable in this department.
5.5 - Right now Heath is an average NFL tight end, overall his career has been 8.5 to 9 but he won't get much consideration for HOF because he didn't catch a ton of passes like other TEs.

Foster. 6.5 An underrated player. Solid in both phases of the game. The main drawback is a lack of foot speed and range to deploy him. I think he's a goner in free agency and we will miss him as the next man up isn't nearly as good.

Wheaton. 5.5. Wheaton has value as an outside receiver, a slot receiver and returns man. On another team, however, I think he could have much better performances as the Steelers don't feature him often do to better talents at receiver. A free agent soon I think we should try to trade him now.

Villanueva. 5.5 Villanueva gave up a lot of sacks, but this is to be expected for a new starting left tackle. Villanueva biggest flaw is a lack of foot speed vs. speed rushers. This can not be fixed. He's a nice run blocker and a gamer. With his first year under his belt, I expect he'll be better next season, but will he be good enough to keep the job for several years? That remains to be seen.


OTHERS:

Williams 8.5. He offers better inside power running and speed in comparison to Bell, but isn't quite as nifty as a receiver or blocker.

Nix. 6. A true hammer type of FB, who makes plays on special teams. I appreciate his game.

Heyward-Bey. 5. A nice 4th WR who can make plays when called upon.

Coates. 5 with an upward pointing arrow. Raw, but he's something to see with the ball in his hands.

James. 5 The rookie showed some things, and could prove to be a decent pass catching Tight End. His blocking is on the weak side.

Wallace. 4. A gamer who has journeyman ability, he's the primary back-up at Center, and possibly guard for now. Might start next year if we lose Foster.

Jones 3.5 Clearly not the long term answer as the main backup. He had weapons and a nice OL and has been in the system for three years. No excuses.

Hubbard. 2.5. Just awful in the pre-season.


PRIMARY OFF SEASON AND DRAFT NEEDS


Interior OL Depth / starter at guard if Foster leaves. Possible 3rd, or 4th round pick spent here. Or a free agent is signed.
A better back up QB. I perfer to sign a veteran who wants a ring and can upgrade us
A better pass catching TE
Better depth at tackle. Possible 4th or 7th round pick spent here.



** I reserve the right to edit these rankings after feedback and thinking about it. **

Papillon
 
Bell: 9. Bell is a very good all around run, catch and block back. He does, however, lack some open field speed and has had injury / off the field issues which bring down his grade. With our skill players and OL, I wonder if Bell is "that" Great as Williams did just as well when he went down. Pretty rare for a back in his 30's like Williams to have one of his best seasons on a new team.

Williams isn't your typical 30's year old RB, he wasn't featured as the main guy to pound the rock during his career as he always shared duties
 
I think 9 shouldn't be definded as pro bowler on the decline as it could be also a pro bowler in the making. Better "Fringe Pro Bowler"
 
I like the ratings and I don't have a problem with many of them.

Boz I'd put as a 7 since he's not a pro bowler - yet.
Healthy Pouncey is a 9-10. I have no problem downgrading him if he can't be on the field.
 
Wow, with all due respect, I think some of us REALLY overvalue Pouncey. Maybe he'll become one (I hope so) but to this point, he's NOWHERE close to being a Hall of Famer.
 
So Ben not a HOFer? Still has to work at it??

Some "coach" you are.
 

I gotta disagree with you about giving Ben a 10 and Brown a 9. Now obviously, they both rely on each other HEAVILY. But...

Antonio Brown has been by far the BEST WR for the past 2 years. While Ben has been pretty damn good, he has never been the BEST QB in any given year.
 
BigApple, Your disdain of Roethlisberger is sorely misplaced. Statistically he's among the best in the league each year. And he doesn't have to cheat to reproduce his results.

Pouncey didn't even play this year. To consider him worthy of a 9 is ridiculous. How could he even be considered potentially pro-bowl worthy when he didn't even put on a jersey? I was as likely to go to the Pro-bowl this year. Literally!

Coach, Bell - a 9? Can he please get through a season so we can see what his actual year end stats look like before we "Crown him"? Based on performance alone you HAVE to rate Williams above Bell. Or are you just going off the "Gut"? Is this an objective or subjective rating? How are we doing this?

Coach, Boswell did well - but calling him a Pro bowl caliber player is a stretch. He was exceptional in his first year. I was thoroughly impressed. But let's remember the guy he was replacing was warmed over dogshit. All he technically needed was a pulse and a TB test and he could have performed better. That said, The Bos was a true blessing this season.

I hate to agree about Miller. I want him to be a 7, but I have to admit, age and time eventually catch up to everyone. I think he's probably better than most, but not the guy he used to be. Hate myself for typing that. I'll always love Heath. THAT guy is a Steeler!
 
So Decastro and Gilbert are on the decline? I don't think the explanation for the 8 rating makes much sense. Miller, now that's a guy on the decline.
 
BigApple, Your disdain of Roethlisberger is sorely misplaced. Statistically he's among the best in the league each year. And he doesn't have to cheat to reproduce his results.

My disdain? Just because I am honest? I even stated that he is a pretty damn great QB.

But can you honestly say, in the past 10 years, that he has been the #1 QB at any given time? Statistically speaking, how are his numbers any different than Rivers?
 
Fair assessment, but poor names for the ratings. I still have to call a guy that is average a '5' if we are on a 10-point scale. But can't say I'd change any of the ratings more than 0.5-1 at most.
 
So Ben not a HOFer? Still has to work at it??

Some "coach" you are.

Ben is easily a HOFer. Been to 3 SBs, won 2, and has some insane stats in recent years, not to mention, heroic-level games on his resume.
 
Problem with this rating system: a player could be both a hall of famer AND a player on the decline. Lets take Troy from last year, wouldn't he rate as both a 10 and a 5?
 
Ben is easily a HOFer. Been to 3 SBs, won 2, and has some insane stats in recent years, not to mention, heroic-level games on his resume.

bad in 2 of the super bowls terrible in the afc game against the jets has never led the team to **** and a bunch of qbs have great stats in recent years. ben is not a hot qb what has the team done in recent years since they've gone form a defensive team to offensive team? he has bad playoff numbers, can't score, had a losing record against starting qbs this year and never carried the team to ****. hof is for best players at that position sorry but ben isn't a hofer neither is manning who has been better in playoffs
 
My disdain? Just because I am honest? I even stated that he is a pretty damn great QB.

But can you honestly say, in the past 10 years, that he has been the #1 QB at any given time? Statistically speaking, how are his numbers any different than Rivers?


the only time i will agree with you. he's never been the best or close which is what the hof is for
 
Heath really hasn't fallen off that much. 60 receptions was second most on team and 4th highest season total of his career.
Still blocks well, but has fallen off a bit in yards after the catch. Real problem is we don't have a second TE getting a reasonable
amount of catches.
 
I gotta disagree with you about giving Ben a 10 and Brown a 9. Now obviously, they both rely on each other HEAVILY. But...

Antonio Brown has been by far the BEST WR for the past 2 years. While Ben has been pretty damn good, he has never been the BEST QB in any given year.

You don't have to be the best quarterback in the NFL to be a HOFer; he's had 11 years of outstanding play, 3 trips to the Super Bowl and 2 wins and if he hangs them up tomorrow he will get into the HOF. I doubt the same is true for Brown (Hanging them up tomorrow and getting into the HOF.). He's on his way and without injury he will get there, but he isn't there yet. I don't think fans realize how good Ben Roethlisberger is because on occasion he does make plays that make you say WTF were you thinking? However, as we saw earlier this year without Ben, AB's numbers slumped. I think we know who needs who more. It's the nature of the NFL, the quarterback has become exponentially more important than any other player on any team.

San Diego - 3/45/0
Zona - 3/24/0
KC - 6/124/0
Balt. 5/42/0

IMO, Brown doesn't get anywhere near 1800 yards without Ben and even with Bell in the game. Ben changes the game and will be a HOFer when he's done playing, AB still has a long way to go. The days of getting into the HOF with the minuscule receiving yards like Stallworth and Swann are over. Brown (continuing on his current trajectory) will exceed the receiving yards of these two HOFers combined when his career is over.

Of course, this is only my opinion as I see it right now.

Papillon
 
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I just find it hard to fault a guy for injuries when he is playing the most violent sport there is..where guys slam against each other in the equivalent of minor car crashes every play. "But don't get injured *****"
 
So Decastro and Gilbert are on the decline? I don't think the explanation for the 8 rating makes much sense. Miller, now that's a guy on the decline.

I fixed it to read:

8. Pro Bowl player on the decline. A younger player who just missed or made the Pro Bowl.
 
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