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Randy Gregory.

Tibs said:
Getting back to Odighizuwa, the two things that speak against him are of course the two hip surgeries, whether or not Steelers' doctors truly feel he's worth the risk so early in the draft, and probably even moreso the fact that he's a 5th year senior. Colbert just doesn't draft guys like that (in the 1st rnd), so I think it may be time for me to lay off the Diggy koolaid.... Having said that, if they end up drafting him, that should tell us they think he's gonna be something special.

Knowing Colbert's propensity to target juniors, here's how I think their rankings may stand:

Dante Fowler .
Randy Gregory
Shane Ray
Eli Harold
Danielle Hunter

with the seniors right behind them:

Vic Beasley
Owamagbe Odighizuwa
Alvin Dupree
Nate Orchard


If we miss out on one of the top guys, a name to keep an eye on is Frank Clark out of Michigan. He's got the Sparq numbers to project to that LOLB spot in our D, though the domestic violence crap may take him off our board altogether.



FRANK CLARK

HEIGHT 6'3"
ARM LENGTH 34 3/8"
WEIGHT 271LBS.
HANDS 10 1/8"

OVERVIEW
In 2014, finished second on team with 13.5 tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks. Dismissed from team in November after arrest on domestic violence charges. In 2013, selected second-team All-Big Ten, leading Michigan in tackles for loss (12) and finishing second on team with 4.5 sacks. In 2012, pleaded guilty to second-degree home invasion felony charge after stealing a laptop from a Michigan dormitory. Suspended from first game of season. Appeared in 11 games, starting 4 and recording 25 tackles (two sacks). In 2011, appeared in 12 games, making 10 tackles. Played high school football for Ted Ginn, Sr., finishing with 19 sacks his senior season.

PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.64 and 4.68 seconds

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS Downhill defensive end who can play on the other side of the line of scrimmage. Has the power to control the edge and is able to disengage and finish as a tackler. Fires out of stance with good burst upfield as pass rusher. Keeps pad level low and converts speed to power. Gets shoulders turned when he rounds corner as pass rusher, gaining leverage advantage.

WEAKNESSES Effort rusher who relies on motor and power over talent. Lacks fluidity and natural transition from move to move as pass rusher. Doesn't gain much ground with spin-move counter, often twisting in place. Lacks subtlety of movement or footwork necessary to execute consistent inside move at the next level. Marginal change-of-direction talent. Has had multiple off-field issues during his time at Michigan and was dismissed from Michigan in November after being arrested on domestic violence charges.

SOURCES TELL US "I don't think he gets past the 4th round at the latest. Our team felt like he gave honest answers regarding previous incidents and we came away feeling much better about him after speaking to him." - NFC Personnel Executive

NFL COMPARISON Scott Crichton

BOTTOM LINE Clark has some explosive qualities and power to his game, but the big question is going to be how badly his off-the-field indiscretions play with NFL teams. He's likely a strong-side 3-4 OLB, but has the ability to play end in a 4-3 as well. Some league insiders believe he could come off the board inside the top 100 picks.
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He will have to break himself of the head dip prior to contact as that is a fine and a first down maybe an ejection in today's game. He has lots of measurables or qualities one might like but also some really dumb things associated with him. If he falls to the later rounds I would consider him as a project that could develop as either an end or linebacker. If he did not have the baggage for behavior issues he would easily be top level, this kid could end up like Hernandez.
 
Owa had 2 hip surgeries and Gregory won't fall to us. Dupree is our guy at 1.22 if he makes it.
 
What about the KEI score? Anyone remembers that? It was very nice to see athleticism and chances of being an impact OLB IN the NFL
 
deljzc said:
Guys with domestic abuse charges are going to be interesting to watch.

With everything that happened over the past year, are they going to be blackballed by the league and not drafted at all? Who takes the chance on them and when? I mean look at the media storm when the Cowboys signed Hardy.

We'll see.

And I still don't see an OLB in Odighizuwa. That's just my opinion. He's a nice prospect. He does play with power. He engages O-linemen very well. Not much not to like. I just think he's BETTER with his hand in the dirt and moving up and down the line to generate mismatches.
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There was a story, a couple of weeks ago, where the nfl was dropping a suit seeking more info on Gregory' s arrest. Due to recent-ish events, I think he gets a lot of scrutiny.
 
can I wait 3 years and then give my insight?
 
I've been looking at the draft order and no way Gregory falls to us.

Cincinnati, who picks right before us, will pick him if he's there. He's a perfect prospect for what Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis like for their defense. I know they got Michael Johnson back for cheap, but he's likely not a long term solution.
 
deljzc said:
I've been looking at the draft order and no way Gregory falls to us.

Cincinnati, who picks right before us, will pick him if he's there. He's a perfect prospect for what Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis like for their defense. I know they got Michael Johnson back for cheap, but he's likely not a long term solution.
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Delzc,

I think we could trade with San Fan or Houston and get Gregory. Moving up to pick 15 or 16 will cost something. I'd offer our 3rd and 6th and see if either team wants the deal. Do you think San Fran who needs a lot of help, or Houston who does not need more pass rushers would take that deal?
 
Coach said:
Delzc,

I think we could trade with San Fan or Houston and get Gregory. Moving up to pick 15 or 16 will cost something. I'd offer our 3rd and 6th and see if either team wants the deal. Do you think San Fran who needs a lot of help, or Houston who does not need more pass rushers would take that deal?
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If you go strictly by the trade value chart, I'm thinking it takes a little more than our third and sixth. Assuming you meant they also get our pick at 1:22, going by the chart, it would take at least our 1st, 3rd and 4th to give close to equal value.

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php
 
Coach said:
Delzc,

I think we could trade with San Fan or Houston and get Gregory. Moving up to pick 15 or 16 will cost something. I'd offer our 3rd and 6th and see if either team wants the deal. Do you think San Fran who needs a lot of help, or Houston who does not need more pass rushers would take that deal?
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Maybe.

I've seen good deals vs. the draft chart in the mid-to-late 1st round move ups and I've seen some bad deals. We might have to throw in a 2016 4th rounder or something.


Gregory and/or Waynes are probably the only guys I consider trading up for. Both are in my top 6 non-quarterbacks in this draft class. Both have 1A draft grades in my opinion.
 
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