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Some feel his status has slipped after he failed the combine drug test.

If Gregory is on the board, would you take him? For me the answer is HECK YES. He's the most gifted edge rusher in the draft.
 
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Some feel his status has slipped after he failed the combine drug test.

If Gregory is on the board, would you take him? For me the answer is HECK YES. He's the most gifted edge rusher in the draft.
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Draft Projection
1st Round
Sources Tell Us
"He's super raw, but those physical tools are through the roof. That's why you pay coaches." -- NFC scouting director
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Bottom Line
A 3-4 outside linebacker with the length, toughness and closing burst to immediately help a run defense. Gregory could stand to add more weight to his frame and needs plenty of technique work and a patient coach for his pass-rush skill to match his traits. Gregory's draft stock has been clouded with a positive drug test at the combine to go with failed tests for marijuana while at Nebraska. High-ceiling, low-floor prospect.

From what I have read this kid has had several issues with drugs and could end up the way of stonio. He shows lots of promise but is a project as he is very raw and could stand to be developed further. He has tremendous potential to bust going to the next level. I am not sure that would be a good risk for a first round pick. We already have some 1st round picks with size and or strength issues. He was manhandled by Wisconsin tackles and I suspect that the tackles at the next level will be much better.

I would look at this guy but really compare him to the other talent available and if a prospect had a higher floor I likely go in another direction.
 
no problem....

this isn't church, it's the entertainment biz.
 
Gregory has the frame to add more weight. In fact he has. Pro day results:

Gregory weighed 243 pounds, completed 26 reps on the bench and timed 4.53 seconds in the 40, including a 10-yard split of 1.56 seconds. All the marks represent an improvement from his performance at the combine.

Watch him in action: #44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhHv8L6cp-E
 
a lot of these guys are burning anyway....

now, is dude an egghead for testing positive at the combine?

yes.

does that mean he won't get help with the down the road NFL version?

no.
 
His tape is awfully good....
 
Coach said:
He's the most gifted edge rusher in the draft.
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I respectfully disagree. I would line up these edge rushers more or less according to their SPARQ scores...

1. Vic Beasley
2. Bud Dupree
3. Owamagbe Odighizuwa
4. Frank Clark
5. Preston Smith
6. Eli Harold
7. Randy Gregory
...

note - Danielle Hunter and Markus Golden have missing data, so they're not ranked (yet).

Here is the whole list: http://3sigmaathlete.com/2015/03/25/post-combine-sparq-rankings-edge/

The point is, I would take both Dupree and Odighizuwa before Randy Gregory. Interestingly Dante Fowler and Shane Ray also have pretty low ranks...
 
Tibs said:
I respectfully disagree. I would line up these edge rushers more or less according to their SPARQ scores...

1. Vic Beasley
2. Bud Dupree
3. Owamagbe Odighizuwa
4. Frank Clark
5. Preston Smith
6. Eli Harold
7. Randy Gregory
...

note - Danielle Hunter and Markus Golden have missing data, so they're not ranked (yet).

Here is the whole list: http://3sigmaathlete.com/2015/03/25/post-combine-sparq-rankings-edge/

The point is, I would take both Dupree and Odighizuwa before Randy Gregory. Interestingly Dante Fowler and Shane Ray also have pretty low ranks...
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because that computation also includes instincts and natural feel for the position? and ability to get off blocks?
 
I like Bud Dupree who most likely will be long gone but to answer the question, hell yes I take Gregory if these knuckleheads let him drop to 22. I'd take his as a day one starter right now over Uncle Jarvis who I still think proves most of us correct that he's a bust that was a reach pick at 17. So hell yes I take Gregory if he's there.
 
I love the SPARQ rating. Who remembers Jarvis Jones SPARQ?

I do. -1.5z. Almost two deviations below the average.
 
slashsteel said:
because that computation also includes instincts and natural feel for the position? and ability to get off blocks?
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Of course not. And if a higher ranked guy like Gregory, Fowler or Ray are sitting there at 22, they would be hard to pass up. But it's interesting to note actual NFL success for edge rushers does compute pretty consistently with these SPARQ type measurements. For whatever it's worth...

In this case I've been looking at it as an opportunity to grab an impact edge rusher @ 22, as some of these 2nd tier guys have all the tools for success. Namely, I don't think Gregory, Fowler or Ray will be on the board at #22, yet the guys that may be - Bud Dupree and Owa Odighizuwa - may actually end up better players (possibly) than the first tier guys.

And finally, we know the Steelers only use this type of data to back up what they're seeing on tape and in workouts. So the numbers on their own mean very little. I wished they would have looked at it a bit harder before making a decision on JJ....(see fogdoctor's post above)
 
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At this point can we afford NOT to lol. Though I doubt he gets past the Vikes.
 
As was so nicely pointed out there is other talent that will likely be available that will not be such a project. There are also prospects that did not fail a drug test at the combine. This guy already has multiple infractions and regardless of your feelings about being stoned or engaging in illegal activity the league will ding him for it and his next offense will be more severe than this one and likely have him gone for 1/4 of the season, with the next one costing the team an entire season. I believe the Browns just went through that with one of their wide outs. I would not like to follow in the footsteps of the stains.
 
As a life-long Nebraska football fan, sadly, i would have to pass. Too much risk, IMO, for the first round. IF he were to fall to us in the second round however . . .i know, thats got almost a zero percent chance of happening.
 
From everything I read, Gregory is possibly the most polished pass rusher in terms of technique, but his lack of bulk is a concern. Dupree is a special athlete and a guy you could mold, but his football instinct isn't there compared to the other prospects. Owa is a big, tough linebacker, but has not offered much rushing the quarterback. I'm very interested in all three players, but there is not sure thing in the group.
 
If he is "best" talent there, then YES .


Salute the nation
 
There is some worry Fowler's measurements don't match his tape. His tape is awesome. He played everywhere and seems completely comfortable doing it all in a defense. But his KEI and explosion numbers leave a lot to be desired. A red flag if you strongly believe in that. I've seen guys succeed without the KEI and you've seen guys fail with the KEI. Interesting how it turns out.

I'm not a fan of Eli Harold. Don't see any way he's a first round talent. Way, way too thin for my tastes and just isn't as physical on tape regardless of the numbers. Any "metric" that says Harold is better than Gregory needs to be looked at with some skepticism. The SPARQ thing is just a tool. Tape is still the best indicator of success.

And I don't see Odighizuwa as anything close to an OLB. That guy is a 4-3 DE. At UCLA he was playing DT on passing downs. And I agree about the medical issues. If you see him fall on draft day that's the reason. Don't yell at the TV saying draft the guy. A few guys get medical red flags and that's why they drastically fall.

The combine results made the edge defenders very, very hard to rank right now. I have to revisit a bit between now and the draft.
 
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Eli is definitely a thin guy. I have been looking at him based upon combine #s and the fact that he fits the recent trend of drafting what Colbert/Tomlin refer to as "third year juniors". I'm actually starting to think that if he's there, Brown from Texas might be the "surprise" pick. that is if a guy who had been widely mocked to us earlier in the year can be called a surprise. While Johnson might be the "safe" pick. All depends on how they value these guys. Which often is not the way we value them.

I make no claim to be a draft guru or to do more than invest a passing amount of time in looking at these guys. So, my thoughts are just "hunches" wrapped in guesses. lol
 
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Tibs said:
Of course not. And if a higher ranked guy like Gregory, Fowler or Ray are sitting there at 22, they would be hard to pass up. But it's interesting to note actual NFL success for edge rushers does compute pretty consistently with these SPARQ type measurements. For whatever it's worth...

In this case I've been looking at it as an opportunity to grab an impact edge rusher @ 22, as some of these 2nd tier guys have all the tools for success. Namely, I don't think Gregory, Fowler or Ray will be on the board at #22, yet the guys that may be - Bud Dupree and Owa Odighizuwa - may actually end up better players (possibly) than the first tier guys.

And finally, we know the Steelers only use this type of data to back up what they're seeing on tape and in workouts. So the numbers on their own mean very little. I wished they would have looked at it a bit harder before making a decision on JJ....(see fogdoctor's post above)
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I am holding out hope that they take closer looks at players that have a potential to slide. As we had Sweed, Mendenhall,JJ, Sham, etc.... seems like these type of players fall for a reason. And I know sure some pan out but I would rather not have our team roll the dice in 1.
 
steelerscotty said:
As a life-long Nebraska football fan, sadly, i would have to pass. Too much risk, IMO, for the first round. IF he were to fall to us in the second round however . . .i know, thats got almost a zero percent chance of happening.
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Wasn't Suh a risk as well?
 
I actually think if Gregory falls because of all this stuff he might be worth trading up for.

He's that talented.

He had a 6.80 3-cone drill at his pro day and was back above 240 lbs. That's insane for a man that size. And his effort, technique and pad level are already very, very good. So he smokes a little ganja. I think 50% of players do to tell you the truth.

Florio had an article about how easy it is to "beat the test" and players end up getting testing only once a year (and they know exactly when it is). All during the season you can smoke dope to your hearts content and I suspect many, many players do.
 
deljzc said:
I actually think if Gregory falls because of all this stuff he might be worth trading up for.

He's that talented.

He had a 6.80 3-cone drill at his pro day and was back above 240 lbs. That's insane for a man that size. And his effort, technique and pad level are already very, very good. So he smokes a little ganja. I think 50% of players do to tell you the truth.

Florio had an article about how easy it is to "beat the test" and players end up getting testing only once a year (and they know exactly when it is). All during the season you can smoke dope to your hearts content and I suspect many, many players do.
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Exactly. Smoking is not the issue anymore it's getting caught that raises the flag. Teams consider that to be the red flag. That you didn't or couldn't stop before a test you knew was coming.
 
Does anyone know that if you fail your combine drug test for pot does that automatically place you in the drug program in the NFL?

Will Gregory now get tested randomly throughout the year for pot rather than the one test in June?
 
deljzc said:
Does anyone know that if you fail your combine drug test for pot does that automatically place you in the drug program in the NFL?

Will Gregory now get tested randomly throughout the year for pot rather than the one test in June?
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I read in some article recently that if you have an incident (test positive, DUI, etc.) while in college, it doesn't automatically place you in the drug program. However, if your incident occurs during an NFL event, even a voluntary one like the Senior Bowl or Combine, you are placed in the drug program.

I'll have to see if I can find that article again.
 
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