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PRO or CON, mid season firing.....................

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Just wanted to get a discussion going on mid-season firing. Other teams have done it and I can almost guarantee the STEELERS will NOT make such a move but WHAT IF???

Should the STEELERS fire CMVLT durring this season they do have a bonified coach that could step right in and actually step up this team's p-lay. Problem is it would be to little to late. As interim head coach all fine.

I would want a full blown search for a future new permanent coach with ONLY MUNCHeck / Fichtner / few others retained but FULL defenseive coaches gutting. NEW blood to this team and NOT with-in organization promotions.

A move of this magnitude would change a lot of things about this team going forward and a NEW diciplined coach would get MUCH MUCH more positive out of this current team. Of course we would need heavy investment into defense but that would be worked out.

A chance Colbert may have to go too....................... Keep him or Bye Bye him???




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They haven't done well drafting defense that's for sure. The development is terrible. That needs revamped badly. That 3-4 zone looks like garbage without talent at key positions. Or switch to a 4-3. That takes talent too. Who's picking these defensive players?


It would be a pr nightmare firing a hc in season for them. That's not going to happen. I'd give it until seasons end. If they go down in flames pull the plug. Epic underachievement is the standard now. Being underprepared and bipolar from week to week has gone on for many many years now. They look like world beaters in small doses. Then flip to looking like they haven't played in years. This has repeated over and over and over and over and over again.

Give me a great chest player for a coach. Get smart players who are good students. The same goes for the rest of the staff. I'd find a guy like Ernie Adams to study opponents like bugs under a microscope. Build your battle plans with great planning and sound commitment to the fundamentals of football.

Every single person who walked through that door who know what our program is and how we run things before they sign on. No half assing anything or you're gone. The buisness here is winning and being in a position to win championships, securing a first round bye gives you 1 win from the start, that's huge. Also giving everything you have and do what's asked of you, if you can't you will be replaced.

If you can't do the small things right then you surely will never be able to do the big things right. Attention to detail,ability to adapt and overcome Murphy's law.

....pretty much a general at coach is what I'd look for. I'd want a man from the area as well.

Ok Santa hook me up with some magic this season or clean house. Thanks
 
Not sure what Ernie does is within the rules I will pass there.

The franchise will never fire during the season, just not their way of doing things. Colbert still only gets half a say, I am willing to bet the D drafting improves under a different HC. That is my hunch.

After the season if Butler and Smith is still here, then you know the FO simply doesn't give a ****.

All in on a adjustment X and O type coach. That is past due, but who knows how long the Rooney's hang onto a under-performing playoffs coach..

I wish the clown would just move on, but not sure I will be that fortunate.
 
Won't happen after this season. The leash will be shorter next year. Unless they have someone in mind to replace with Tomlin, it will have to make sense to Art II. They would have to be 0 and ? for them to make a mid-season firing.
 
I vote no.

Especially someone of Mike Tomlin's pedigree.

I believe he has earned the opportunity to correct his current situation.
 
If they fired Tomlin now or at season end...same result. A few more weeks to interview candidates. Or Rooney could hire a real HC to just run the team, also hire a female HC just to meet the press, do the tv spots, etc.
 
Steel Ballin said:
It's not mid-season.
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Technicalities will take you a long ways in life but what say you on topic at hand??? Does Colbert stay if coacxh is fired weather durring or after season????



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thesteelcity said:
If Tomlin is fired, I'd want a clean slate with Colbert, too. This organization needs new blood.
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Colbert is decent enough. Tomlin has to go. The sooner it happens the better or chances to win a super bowl become.


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steel dino said:
I vote no.

Especially someone of Mike Tomlin's pedigree.

I believe he has earned the opportunity to correct his current situation.
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Earned? Based on what, going 3-6 in his last nine playoff games. His ineptness has been on display Dino.


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I realize anything can happen, but I don't see the possibility of Tomlin being fired happening unless there are 3 consecutive losing seasons. Even then, I think you'd still have to have players like Ben unhappy with him to tip the scale, which is just not the case, despite how much people try and read into everything he says.
 
I’ve been skeptical of Colbert wondering if it was Cowher when the two were together. Seems like those two had much greater success drafting, especially defensive players.
Plus haven’t you noticed we seemed much more aggressive in the draft under Cowher/Tomlin moving up considerably to snag both Troy and Santonio.
My wish but it’s only a pipe dream, would be hiring Cowher as VP of Football Operations with GM duties and for him to hire his own coach. I know, never happen.


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They won't fire Tomlin now or after the season regardless of what happens over the next 3 weeks. This team has too much talent to be where they have been over the past few years. Having Ben, Brown and Bell should produce more than quick exits from the playoffs. Coaches should be judge based on what they do with what they have. Tomlin has had a ton of talent. He's squandered it with horrible time management and horrible prep work. Overlooking the Jags and openly talking about playing the pats**** is ignorance personified. He has to know the Steelers are a hard working nose to the grindstone type team... has always been. This isn't the Cowboys of the 90's where JJ can come out and say "We aren't the Oilers" at half time of a SB.

He needs to go but he isn't going anywhere. And that's a shame to lose the rest of Ben's career with this mental midget.
 
steel dino said:
I vote no.

Especially someone of Mike Tomlin's pedigree.

I believe he has earned the opportunity to correct his current situation.
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I'm giving him one last chance to get his act together this Sunday, that game will make or break this season. Let's see if he has himself as well as the team prepared.
 
Steelers1356 said:
I'm giving him one last chance to get his act together this Sunday, that game will make or break this season. Let's see if he has himself as well as the team prepared.
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a 5 or 6 games losing streak to end the season should get the conversation started about his hot seat. Miss the PO after going 7-2-1 will not help him, either.
 
Mid season was a month ago, this one is almost over and the front office would never admit they ever make mistakes because, arrogance
 
Spike said:
Mid season was a month ago, this one is almost over and the front office would never admit they ever make mistakes because, arrogance
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For a mid-season firing(2019), they would have to be a walking disaster. History doesn't dictate they would let him go mid-season. People like Stephen A. Smith says that he deserves more than 2 or 3 bad seasons before let go. His winning percentage doesn't warrant a release after one bad season/missed PO.
 
These threads are hilarious, anybody that thinks the Rooney Rule Rooneys would ever fire Tomlin is on crack, he has that job for life
 
There are factors in play.

Is Ben going to play another year or two, or is he going to hang it up after this year? Can they commit to bringing in a new D-Coord who has complete autonomy over the defense and also has significant input into the draft? Cutting Tomlin loose at this point in the season is completely pointless. They have the P*ts and the Saints coming up. Those games are practically unwinnable as it is. Add the huge distraction of removing a coach right now and you'd pretty much just be admitting your are throwing in the towel on the season.

If Ben is committed to staying another couple years - the post season conversation becomes much more interesting. Does Rooney truly believe that Tomlin can win? If the answer is no, then the question is, do you just hold on to him through the twilight of Ben's career and then let him go, or do you roll the dice big-time getting an unknown guy to come in?

If you keep Fichtner, and again, give him some decent autonomy for the first year or two, then the offense MAY remain decent despite a new coach coming in. Of course you'd have to tell your new coach he's being particularly hamstrung... He may or may not have any significant control over the defense and he won't have any significant control over the offense. He likely won't be instrumental in the first draft or two... I mean, you look at it - the job looks less and less appealing if you are determined to try to make a run in the next 2 years or so.

On the other hand, if Ben is leaving - You know you're going to suck for a few years and that if you don't get your defense up to a professional level immediately, you are going to be competing with the Browns and Bengals for the foreseeable future for the right to NOT be the basement of the AFC. That may be the best reason in the world to cut Tomlin loose, let him get a job based on his "laurels" and get yourself a reboot while you're at it.

And the next coach needn't be a minority hire. The franchise is a business and they've had their guy for years and years. They don't have to hire a person JUST BECAUSE. I suspect after the last couple years and the fans becoming more and more disgruntled, they will want to hire the very best person they can find for the gig, regardless of any other factors.
 
As much as I want to see Tomlin gone, doing it right now would just not make sense. Now after the season, hell yeah!!! And I think Munchak should get SERIOUS consideration.
 
The Steelers won’t fire anyone mid season. Not their style. Butler, Porter might be out the door. Not sure about Bradley. The tackling has been better with the DB’s than under Lake but the other side is the coverage has been shoddy. Probably not Bradley l’s fault cause he is a victim of the Tomlin/Butler scheme.
It’s a safe bet to say Butler won’t be back next season with Tomlin in his last string to put it together for one more season.
 
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