I got two truths:
1. Three playoff wins in eight years don't cut it.
2. The defensive backfield finally got good this year when they stocked it with players from other teams.
Lolley’s 10 thoughts: Face it, Tomlin is doing a good job ?
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I got two truths:
1. Three playoff wins in eight years don't cut it.
2. The defensive backfield finally got good this year when they stocked it with players from other teams.
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I haven't looked at the rule but my guess is that they couldn't overturn the call because the rule only allows them to look at the two players not at the over thrown ball. Not sure you can challenge an overthrown ball.
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I said it a few weeks ago that the steelers would probably end up with 8 or 9 wins and Tomlin would be in running for coach of the year. It's the schedule.
I have never seen an NFL season with so many terrible teams and not a single great team. Usually there's at least 2 teams that look great. Not this year. The Pats and 49ers have the records but both have looked flawed. The Pats so called great defense looked slooooow against the ravens.
The Chiefs can possibly be great with a healthy Mahomes, but that defense is still suspect.
I have never seen an NFL season with so many terrible teams and not a single great team. Usually there's at least 2 teams that look great. Not this year. The Pats and 49ers have the records but both have looked flawed. The Pats so called great defense looked slooooow against the ravens.
The Chiefs can possibly be great with a healthy Mahomes, but that defense is still suspect.
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they are 100% on the HC
after the ref makes the ****** call, which you know they will...and did in both of these scenarios you suck it up and play because refs do what refs do...make ****** calls.
after the ****** call is made the ball is in the HC's court...if you know the call won't be overturned, which we all did except the HC (who lives in his hopes) it is a 100% waste of a HC's most crucial asset in that point of the game (the timeout-ability to stop the clock) to burn a TO in hopes a bad call that you know won't be overturned is
****** refs, ****** coaching
wish in one hand (that bad call is overturned) and **** in the other and see which fills first
yep a **** flingin monkey could use TOs as well as our HC
I'm not concerned with a Super Bowl appearance in determining coaching skills, but a playoff win, just one, would have the arrow pointing up.
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Lets not go over board we have beaten what one winning team and only because of muffed field goal. Tomlin still has that smile when all is going well and the look of total confusion when heading south.
Dale Lolley thinks CMT already deserves consideration for coach of the year. Heard it on the radio. LOL
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Hard to argue with that. No AB, no Ben, no Davis, no Tuitt, Foster, Nelson, Conner, JSam missing games.... yet the team has remained steadfast, the locker room is intact, everyone's positive and they continue winning games. If they stay on this trajectory, I think Tomlin is a legit coach of the year candidate. But who cares about that right now, let's just keep winning games, like Sunday vs. the Rams.
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Two things to add
First of all the nfl basically passed that rule to divert attention from a serious mistake, but obviously are trying to get the rule taken out... they won’t overturn anything
Secondly both had favorable risk/ rewards since both probably could have been overturned and both did have game changing potential.. moreover both were in places that a time out could have been utilized anyhow, so its not really a good gripe
Does a COTY award add another pick to his trade value... cause im totally on board if so...
Honestly, I think the refs and the NFL have taken the stance that no matter what they are not overturning a called DPI or OPI unless its Saints/Rams obvious.
I said this weeks ago that if Tomlin got the team back to even 8-8, he deserved serious consideration for coach of the year and I stand by that. The D was atrocious to start the year. They lost their franchise QB. There was no No. 2 WR stepping up. Then you had Tuitt gone for the year. Vance and Vince missed several games. Moncrief had a freak thing with his fingers. Conner and Samuels and Snell all missed multiple games. Rudolph got destroyed on a hit and missed a game plus. And, the list goes on and on.
Tomlin has fallen out of favor with me and I want to start fresh but after this season and if he gets them to 8-8, I can't see him going anywhere for quite a while unless he decides he wants to ask Rooney if he can interview in DC.
Tomlin has fallen out of favor with me and I want to start fresh but after this season and if he gets them to 8-8, I can't see him going anywhere for quite a while unless he decides he wants to ask Rooney if he can interview in DC.
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He wasn't going anywhere anyway. Many NFL teams have tons of injuries this year. Indy is in just as bad of shape with a better record. The only difference is Boz is a better FG kicker than Vinitari. Luck retired, Brisket got hurt and now an 8 team journeyman is playing.
Sometimes we get so involved with what the Steelers are going through with injuries we forget other teams are dealing with the same issues.
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With two ******* timeouts it surely increases the odds.
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Off topic, but I totally agree with this statement, which is ok if it was consistent with his replay is used overall. The intent of replay has always been to correct obvious mistakes. But Riveron chooses to use it to re-officiate games - except when it comes to replay. This isn’t that hard. Just be consistent.
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The best of Mike Tomlin: Steelers coach navigates season of adversity
BROOKE PRYOR
ESPN Staff Writer
6:00 AM ET5 Minute Read
PITTSBURGH -- For a brief moment, Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin allowed himself to break from the intense focus he tries to maintain during football season.
After starting 0-3, the Steelers had just won their fourth game in five starts over the Indianapolis Colts. Tomlin stood behind the podium at Heinz Field and reflected.
“It is good to be .500 at the turn like we talked about early in the week, given where we have come from,” Tomlin said Sunday. "It’s going to still be a while. We will work forever trying to get that September stench off of us, but that is life in this thing, and I appreciate the effort and fight. It is good to be sitting at 4-4. I never thought I would hear myself say that.”
Although Tomlin doesn't often ruminate on the big picture at the midway point of a season, his players say he deserves credit for righting a ship that could have veered seriously off course. In navigating the locker room through the offseason Antonio Brown drama, the Week 2 Ben Roethlisberger injury and the poor start, Tomlin is in the midst of one of his best coaching jobs.
“Since I’ve been here, this is the best of Mike Tomlin,” offensive lineman Alejandro Villanueva said. “From a leadership standpoint, from an ability to motivate his players and to get the best out of the current circumstances. Awesome.
“I’m sure that he’s going to look back at this year and look fondly at some of the lessons that we’ve all learned because obviously it’s been a different season. It’s one that we all are struggling to write and hopefully finish on a good note.”
The Steelers traded Brown and running back Le'Veon Bell left in free agency during an eventful offseason. That’s when Villanueva first recognized that Tomlin, a man who thrives in adversity, was doing some of his best leadership work.
"Since I've been here, this is the best of Mike Tomlin," says Steelers offensive lineman Alejandro Villanueva.
Mark Alberti/Icon Sportswire
“We did not have an easy offseason,” Villanueva said. "The way we finished last year was very challenging. It’s a new era. Connectivity is making things a lot more complicated in a lot of ways. It’s making things harder for athletes. It’s making things harder for the cohesion of the team. He’s had to step up in a big way to control the narratives that are going around a locker room to make sure that everybody is singularly focused on the task. That is a very, very difficult job. Not just because of the events that have happened, but just the fact that you’re seeing the Steelers logo on television 24/7.”
From there, it got more and more chaotic. There was the three-game losing streak to start the season that included the loss of Roethlisberger. Then came the breaking in of two first-time starting quarterbacks.
Through it all, Tomlin remained the organization’s steadfast rock. That’s what the locker room needed him to be.
“He hurts for us,” tight end Vance McDonald said. “He hurts for the fact that we set an expectation and obviously it didn’t meet our goal. He hurts for the fact that we’ve had injuries at certain positions and it puts strain and a lot of stress on a lot of guys at different spots. At the end of the day, he points out the fact that the standard is the standard. He doesn’t expect anything else regardless of who’s playing where. It’s hard.
“I guarantee it’s hard for him to do, but the fact is he does it every day and there’s never any faltering. It’s still consistent. As a player, it’s easy to play for.”
It’s not that Tomlin is drastically changing how he leads. He has made subtle changes to motivate his players and adjust to their needs. Since returning from the bye, Tomlin has ended practices early, sometimes by nearly half an hour. The shortened, non-padded practices have gone a long way to heal players.
After beating the Colts on Sunday, Tomlin spread the word in the locker room: the team would celebrate "Victory Monday." An extra day off to reward the team for its win -- something uncommon so early in the season. Upon hearing the news, the players cheered as loudly as they did when they entered the locker room after the win.
“It’s so big for us, for our bodies,” McDonald said. “It’s something that will raise morale, as petty and silly as that sounds. This is our job, but when we get little nuggets like that at the front end of a day, it really makes guys work that much harder. It’s a reward for hard work. It’s trust from him to us, recognizing that we are a veteran group and we can handle that.”
Even as his players took a couple moments to reflect on the job Tomlin has done, the coach’s moment of contemplation didn’t last. By Tuesday afternoon, it was back to business.
“I don’t look at it from a big-picture perspective,” Tomlin said about how the season had challenged him. “I’m just trying to meet the challenges week in and week out. At the turn, for a moment after that game, I paused just to take a look at where we were after eight games, but I immediately backed into my singular focus, as I expect our football team to be. We’ve got a good team coming in here this week off of a bye. We’ve got to keep the train rolling, and so we’re focused on that.”
The best of Mike Tomlin: Steelers coach navigates season of adversity
BROOKE PRYOR
ESPN Staff Writer
6:00 AM ET5 Minute Read
PITTSBURGH -- For a brief moment, Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin allowed himself to break from the intense focus he tries to maintain during football season.
After starting 0-3, the Steelers had just won their fourth game in five starts over the Indianapolis Colts. Tomlin stood behind the podium at Heinz Field and reflected.
“It is good to be .500 at the turn like we talked about early in the week, given where we have come from,” Tomlin said Sunday. "It’s going to still be a while. We will work forever trying to get that September stench off of us, but that is life in this thing, and I appreciate the effort and fight. It is good to be sitting at 4-4. I never thought I would hear myself say that.”
Although Tomlin doesn't often ruminate on the big picture at the midway point of a season, his players say he deserves credit for righting a ship that could have veered seriously off course. In navigating the locker room through the offseason Antonio Brown drama, the Week 2 Ben Roethlisberger injury and the poor start, Tomlin is in the midst of one of his best coaching jobs.
“Since I’ve been here, this is the best of Mike Tomlin,” offensive lineman Alejandro Villanueva said. “From a leadership standpoint, from an ability to motivate his players and to get the best out of the current circumstances. Awesome.
“I’m sure that he’s going to look back at this year and look fondly at some of the lessons that we’ve all learned because obviously it’s been a different season. It’s one that we all are struggling to write and hopefully finish on a good note.”
The Steelers traded Brown and running back Le'Veon Bell left in free agency during an eventful offseason. That’s when Villanueva first recognized that Tomlin, a man who thrives in adversity, was doing some of his best leadership work.
"Since I've been here, this is the best of Mike Tomlin," says Steelers offensive lineman Alejandro Villanueva.
Mark Alberti/Icon Sportswire
“We did not have an easy offseason,” Villanueva said. "The way we finished last year was very challenging. It’s a new era. Connectivity is making things a lot more complicated in a lot of ways. It’s making things harder for athletes. It’s making things harder for the cohesion of the team. He’s had to step up in a big way to control the narratives that are going around a locker room to make sure that everybody is singularly focused on the task. That is a very, very difficult job. Not just because of the events that have happened, but just the fact that you’re seeing the Steelers logo on television 24/7.”
From there, it got more and more chaotic. There was the three-game losing streak to start the season that included the loss of Roethlisberger. Then came the breaking in of two first-time starting quarterbacks.
Through it all, Tomlin remained the organization’s steadfast rock. That’s what the locker room needed him to be.
“He hurts for us,” tight end Vance McDonald said. “He hurts for the fact that we set an expectation and obviously it didn’t meet our goal. He hurts for the fact that we’ve had injuries at certain positions and it puts strain and a lot of stress on a lot of guys at different spots. At the end of the day, he points out the fact that the standard is the standard. He doesn’t expect anything else regardless of who’s playing where. It’s hard.
“I guarantee it’s hard for him to do, but the fact is he does it every day and there’s never any faltering. It’s still consistent. As a player, it’s easy to play for.”
It’s not that Tomlin is drastically changing how he leads. He has made subtle changes to motivate his players and adjust to their needs. Since returning from the bye, Tomlin has ended practices early, sometimes by nearly half an hour. The shortened, non-padded practices have gone a long way to heal players.
After beating the Colts on Sunday, Tomlin spread the word in the locker room: the team would celebrate "Victory Monday." An extra day off to reward the team for its win -- something uncommon so early in the season. Upon hearing the news, the players cheered as loudly as they did when they entered the locker room after the win.
“It’s so big for us, for our bodies,” McDonald said. “It’s something that will raise morale, as petty and silly as that sounds. This is our job, but when we get little nuggets like that at the front end of a day, it really makes guys work that much harder. It’s a reward for hard work. It’s trust from him to us, recognizing that we are a veteran group and we can handle that.”
Even as his players took a couple moments to reflect on the job Tomlin has done, the coach’s moment of contemplation didn’t last. By Tuesday afternoon, it was back to business.
“I don’t look at it from a big-picture perspective,” Tomlin said about how the season had challenged him. “I’m just trying to meet the challenges week in and week out. At the turn, for a moment after that game, I paused just to take a look at where we were after eight games, but I immediately backed into my singular focus, as I expect our football team to be. We’ve got a good team coming in here this week off of a bye. We’ve got to keep the train rolling, and so we’re focused on that.”
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Tomlin makes the most out of difficult spots, like when he kept the team afloat with Vick and Landry starting games.
But underachieved so much when he had the full arsenal available that it just makes you scratch your head, scream to the TV, throw a flip-flop to the pet (ok just kidding, I don't hurt or am cruel towards my dogs), etc.
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But underachieved so much when he had the full arsenal available that it just makes you scratch your head, scream to the TV, throw a flip-flop to the pet (ok just kidding, I don't hurt or am cruel towards my dogs), etc.
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It's possible that when things are good and going smoothly that he goes on autopilot somewhat and loses that edge.
Exactly. Double karma sent.
This would make him the ideal head coach for a team with problems, like say the Redskins.
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His teams do not handle high expectations well at all, but seem to do well when the bar is set low.
It's a leadership flaw that functions like championship repellent.
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In the larger context, he's working on his 9th season out of 13 without a playoff win.
I keep hearing fans mention him in "besides Bill Belichick" rarefied air.
He's a lot closer to Marvin Lewis than he is to Bill Belichick.
Shades has just had more mirages in the desert than Lewis as it were over the past 8-9 years.