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Of course the draft has been discussed in here in many threads, but I thought it would be fun to discuss every pick in one thread.

1. Bush. (1:10, ILB, MU) This pick alone might make the 2019 Pitt draft class good on its own. Moving 10 spots up having to give up a 2nd and next year 3rd was a no brainer. We desperately need him. Forget the most common claim that we need him to make up for losing Shazier. We just need him, period. We had no speed at ILB. It was painful to watch. Teams could run wide and cream us with flank passes, and we were helpless much of the time. But this kid brings even another element, just as badly missing from this D: a guy who loves to hit people and has the speed, awareness, agility and instincts to do it. We were lacking such a beast, and without some of that sort, your D will NEVER be decent. Bush isn't an eloquent or an articulate speaker. He is not polished (see outfit on draft day). But he will peel paint off a car. He is a force. The entire D will pick up intensity because he is on the field. Football is not a sport of choir boys, and Bush ain't one. I've hear some say he may mean as much too Pitt D as Ray Lewis meant to the Ravens. Grade - A+

2. Diontae Johnson (3: 36, WR, Toledo). I'm sorry, this pick bothered me. It felt like since this pick was acquired by the AB trade that they were obsessed with replacing him with a player from the pick. Nonsense? Maybe. Was it a conscious move? Maybe not. But it sure felt like it. Some say he is very similar to AB in size and skill sets. I got news for everyone. He will never have the catching ability AB does. How many plays did AB make a grab where you said "No way he got both feet down and caught that" and then upon review you realize he did? It was mind boggling and it happened all of the time, may times in crunch time (I am not selling that we needed to find a way to keep him. I am glad he's gone and piss on him.) DJ will not turn into that. I'd settle if he turns into an Ernest Givens. I feel he was taken a tad too early, but if he works out, we won't care that much. But enough with "Well Colbert knows how to pick WRs" rhetoric. If his WR picks didn't have Ben throwing them the ball, they'd be half of what they are. Grade: B-

3. Justin Layne. (3:86, DB, MSU). Converted WR who has good length (6-2). Not a burner (4.5) but fast enough paired with his above average football IQ. A need pick, and I'm glad they didn't wait any longer to grab a CB. Steeler fans have been griping we didn't have any good man to man type CBs and this guy is one. He's got to be an upgrade over Burn't and Nonsense-aball. B.

4. Benny Snell, Jr. (4:122, RB, KY). I don't get y some fans are bitching over this pick. No, he's probably not an all pro. No, he isn't blazing. But what he is is a very productive back, who played in the big boy league with big boy defenses (SEC) where he logged almost 1,500 yards at 5 yards a pop when every team knew he was all KY had (lame QB). What's not to like about him? If you say it's his lack of homerun threat speed, guess who else was weak at homerun speed? Bell, that's who. RB is a bigger need than most realize. Conner - for various reasons) has never been dependable for long stretches. And with his style, he is likely to miss time every season. Samuels isn't an every down back, he never has been. (Yes, he had one game of over 100 yards but that will never be the norm for him.) We were in dire need of another legit NFL back and Snell is one. And he fits like a glove into Steeler DNA. I love him on this roster. A.

5. Zach Gentry (5:141, TE, MU). Sorry, I'm not going to gush just because he's tall (6-8.5). Spaeth was tall too, how good was he? But it was a need pick - after Vance, who has been hurt often his entire career, we have Grimble, who is only on an NFL roster because of the Steelers). I'm not going to gripe about the pick, because maybe for the spot, it was worth a shot. He's a former QB and if he has great work ethic, he could turn out to be at least a decent #2 and do well enough as a 1 if Vance goes down. But just because he is tall doesn't not mean he is a good blocker. That high center of gravity can make really tall TEs weak at the point of attack. C.

6. Sutton Smith (6:175, OLB NIU). Probably just a ST guy. Productive in college but got completely gobbled up by OT at Sr. Bowl. Not fast, big or anything. They say he needs to find a new position, but could that position be? The highly coveted "hybrid" safety? I don't see him making the roster. C-

7. Isaiah Buggs (6:193, DE, Ala). Has physical tools, but motor is low. I guess they think he can play DE. I don't see him making the team. D.

All in all, I see 5 players sticking, with one super star, heartbeat of the D in there. I think we will look back at this draft and say it was pretty solid.
 
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Of course the draft has been discussed in here in many threads, but I thought it would be fun to discuss every pick in one thread.

1. Bush. (1:10, ILB, MU) This pick alone might make the 2019 Pitt draft class good on its own. Moving 10 spots up having to give up a 2nd and next year 3rd was a no brainer. We desperately need him. Forget the most common claim that we need him to make up for losing Shazier. We just need him, period. We had no speed at ILB. It was painful to watch. Team could run wide and cream us with flank passes, and we were helpless much of the time. But this kid brings even another element, just as badly missing from this D: a guy who loves to hit people and has the speed, awareness, agility and instincts to do it. We were lacking such a beast, and without some of that sort, your D will NEVER be decent. Bush isn't an eloquent or an articulate speaker. He is not polished (see outfit on draft day). But he will peel paint of a car. He is a force. The entire D will pick up intensity because he is on the field. Football is not a sport of choir boys, and Bush ain't one. I've hear some say he may mean as much too Pitt D as Ray Lewis meant to the Ravens. Grade - A+

2. Diontae Johnson (3: 36, WR, Toledo). I'm sorry, this pick bothered me. It felt like since this pick was acquired by the AB trade that they were obsessed with replacing him with a player from the pick. Nonsense? Maybe. Was it a conscious move? Maybe not. But it sure felt like it. Some say he is very similar to AB in size and skill sets. I got news for everyone. He will never have the catching ability AB does. How many plays did AB make a grab where you said "No way he got both feet down and caught that" and then upon review you realize he did? It was mind boggling and it happened all of the time, may times in crunch time (I am not selling that we needed to find a way to keep him. I am glad he's gone and piss on him.) DJ will not turn into that. I'd settle if he turns into an Ernest Givens. I feel he was taken a tad too early, but if he works out, we won't care that much. But enough with "Well Colbert knows how to pick WRs" rhetoric. If his WR picks didn't have Ben throwing them the ball, they'd be half of what they are. Grade: B-

3. Justin Layne. (3:86, DB, MSU). Converted WR who has good length (6-2). Not a burner (4.5) but fast enough paired with his above average football IQ. A need pick, and I'm glad they didn't wait any longer to grab a CB. Steeler fans have been griping we didn't have any good man to man type CBs and this guy is one. He's got to be an upgrade over Burn't and Nonsense-aball. B.

4. Benny Snell, Jr. (4:122, RB, KY). I don't get y some fans are bitching over this pick. No, he's probably not an all pro. No, he isn't blazing. But what he is is a very productive back, who played in the big boy league with big boy defenses (SEC) where he logged almost 1,500 yards at 5 yards a pop when every team knew he was all KY had (lame QB). What's not to like about him? If you say it's his lack of homerun threat speed, guess who else was weak at homerun speed? Bell, that's who. RB is a bigger need than most realize. Conner - for various reasons) has never been dependable for long stretches. And with his style, he is likely to miss time every season. Samuels isn't an every down back, he never has been. (Yes, he had one game of over 100 yards but that will never be the norm for him.) We were in dire need of another legit NFL back and Snell is one. And he fits like a glove into Steeler DNA. I love him on this roster. A.

5. Zach Gentry (5:141, TE, MU). Sorry, I'm not going to gush just because he's tall (6-8.5). Spaeth was tall too, how good was he? But it was a need pick - after Vance, who has been hurt often his entire career, we have Grimble, who is only on an NFL roster because of the Steelers). I'm not going to gripe about the pick, because maybe for the spot, it was worth a shot. He's a former QB and if he has great work ethic, he could turn out to be at least a decent #2 and do well enough as a 1 if Vance goes down. But just because he is tall doesn't not mean he is a good blocker. That high center of gravity can make really tall TEs weak at the point of attack. C.

6. Sutton Smith (6:175, OLB NIU). Probably just a ST guy. Productive in college but got completely gobbled up by OT at Sr. Bowl. Not fast, big or anything. They say he needs to find a new position, but could that position be? The highly coveted "hybrid" safety? I don't see him making the roster. C-

7. Isaiah Buggs (6:193, DE, Ala). Has physical tools, but motor is low. I guess they think he can play DE. I don't see him making the team. D.

All in all, I see 5 players sticking, with one super star, heartbeat of the D in there. I think we will look back at this draft and say it was pretty solid.

I don’t think D. Johnson was picked because he appears to be Antonio Clown clone. He was picked because of his skillset. He’ll IMMEDIATELY be our PR and KR man on STs. On top of that, he should eventually be out slot guy. Rag on the school he came from and his combine stats all you want. Turn on his tape. Watch an entire game. Listen to actual NFL minds and what they think of him and not what general media people who host fantasy shows and sports recap shows say about him.
I get it. It’s ALL speculation now for all these picks. But you’re burying a guy on ZERO factual information.


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2. Diontae Johnson (3: 36, WR, Toledo). I'm sorry, this pick bothered me. It felt like since this pick was acquired by the AB trade that they were obsessed with replacing him with a player from the pick. Nonsense? Maybe. Was it a conscious move? Maybe not. But it sure felt like it. Some say he is very similar to AB in size and skill sets. I got news for everyone. He will never have the catching ability AB does. How many plays did AB make a grab where you said "No way he got both feet down and caught that" and then upon review you realize he did? It was mind boggling and it happened all of the time, may times in crunch time (I am not selling that we needed to find a way to keep him. I am glad he's gone and piss on him.) DJ will not turn into that. I'd settle if he turns into an Ernest Givens. I feel he was taken a tad too early, but if he works out, we won't care that much. But enough with "Well Colbert knows how to pick WRs" rhetoric. If his WR picks didn't have Ben throwing them the ball, they'd be half of what they are. Grade: B-

If if if ******** were rainbows the sky would be lit 24/7.

Look I get it the draft projections didn't target him. as a high pick. (most of them) And it did look like it could be a knee jerk reaction to losing AB. But they had to replace what they lost, or try to. So it was necessary to pick a WR, to attack a new positional weakness.

When evaluating this WR they liked his quick feet, his ability to beat the jam and get open. So they had him rated high because of his skill set that bled through to special teams. Which they have had return issues for some time. So a 1-2 punch.

Like I said in another thread I get the smaller school concern. But those quicks are interesting. Worse case Steelers could shoot Juju outside and throw him in the slot. And let us not get it bent. he is a third round pick. So if he turns out to be just a solid player and not a star?

That is a win.
 
Steelers has a 1st round grade on Johnson and the chiefs were gonna draft him with the next pick. The dude has skills and his hands are really good
 
Steelers has a 1st round grade on Johnson and the chiefs were gonna draft him with the next pick. The dude has skills and his hands are really good

I think it was the Bucs, but yeah....
 
I like the Johnson pick too after some time. I wanted Hakeem Butler, but clearly the team has certain skill sets they are targeting, and they view Diontae as a potential X receiver

Ideally, I think they imagine if everyone develops in an ideal fashion, they see Diontae as the X, Washington as the Z, and JuJu operating primarily out of the slot

And if all 3 guys develop the way the team envisions, that trio is going to be nasty to beat. Obviously that's a big if
 
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Will start this year:
1 (R1, 10). LB Devin Bush, Michigan - day one starter but he will struggle this year. Should be pro bowl level by end of year 2 or early year 3.
2. (R3, 66) WR Diontae Johnson, Toledo - May push to be #2 by the end of this year. Should contribute on ST immideately.

Backup this year:
3 (R3, 83) CB Justin Layne, Michigan - I think he will struggle in the NFL but could play in dime.
4 (4, 122) RB Benny Snell, Jr., Kentucky - When you need 3yds, he will get you 3yds. When you need 5yds, he will get you 3yds. My hope is that he cuts some weight and turns into Bell.

Practice squad this year:
5 (5, 141) TE Zach Gentry, Michigan - Not ready for the NFL. Will need a year or two.
6 (6, 175) LB Sutton Smith, Northern Illinois - Potential to make roster as a ST hammer and backup.

Camp body:
7 (6, 192) DL Isaiah Buggs, Alabama - I don't understand this player at all. At his best, he looks like Fletcher Cox. Other times, he looks like he is not trying at all. Not seeing him make the roster.
8 (6, 207) LB Ulysees Gilbert III, Akron - Apparently, he put up amazing numbers at his pro day but I don't think he is an NFL player. Could get stashed a year.
9 (7, 219) OL Derwin Gray, Maryland - love the run blocking but he will not be in the NFL long unless he can pass protect. Will not make roster. Potential practice squad.
 
I don’t think D. Johnson was picked because he appears to be Antonio Clown clone. He was picked because of his skillset. He’ll IMMEDIATELY be our PR and KR man on STs. On top of that, he should eventually be out slot guy. Rag on the school he came from and his combine stats all you want. Turn on his tape. Watch an entire game. Listen to actual NFL minds and what they think of him and not what general media people who host fantasy shows and sports recap shows say about him.
I get it. It’s ALL speculation now for all these picks. But you’re burying a guy on ZERO factual information.


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Buried him? ANYONE who is taken earlier than they could have been is not the best pick, but I hardly "buried him."
 
Will start this year:
1 (R1, 10). LB Devin Bush, Michigan - day one starter but he will struggle this year. Should be pro bowl level by end of year 2 or early year 3.
2. (R3, 66) WR Diontae Johnson, Toledo - May push to be #2 by the end of this year. Should contribute on ST immideately.

Backup this year:
3 (R3, 83) CB Justin Layne, Michigan - I think he will struggle in the NFL but could play in dime.
4 (4, 122) RB Benny Snell, Jr., Kentucky - When you need 3yds, he will get you 3yds. When you need 5yds, he will get you 3yds. My hope is that he cuts some weight and turns into Bell.

Practice squad this year:
5 (5, 141) TE Zach Gentry, Michigan - Not ready for the NFL. Will need a year or two.
6 (6, 175) LB Sutton Smith, Northern Illinois - Potential to make roster as a ST hammer and backup.

Camp body:
7 (6, 192) DL Isaiah Buggs, Alabama - I don't understand this player at all. At his best, he looks like Fletcher Cox. Other times, he looks like he is not trying at all. Not seeing him make the roster.
8 (6, 207) LB Ulysees Gilbert III, Akron - Apparently, he put up amazing numbers at his pro day but I don't think he is an NFL player. Could get stashed a year.
9 (7, 219) OL Derwin Gray, Maryland - love the run blocking but he will not be in the NFL long unless he can pass protect. Will not make roster. Potential practice squad.

Steelers usually roster 3 TEs will an undrafted beat out Gentry?

I could see Buggs beating out Big Dan. I mean how difficult can that be?

Sutton probably will battle Ola for that last spot. His production is very very interesting...
 
Buried him? ANYONE who is taken earlier than they could have been is not the best pick, but I hardly "buried him."

Again, please show me FACTS. Post all 32 teams “Big Boards” showing him ranked in the 200 range as you claim he was. Or refute the stories of other teams razzing our WR coach for taking him right before they did. Johnson would not have made it to us at any of our next picks.
The guys The Rooney’s pay hefty salaries to believe him to be BPA at that point. Those guys have forgotten more about football than we’ll ever know. Yep, they miss on their educated guesses sometimes.
If Johnson’s tape showed him slow, not getting open, dropping balls, catching with his body, etc. than I would totally get it. But you’re saying Mel Kiper and/or ProFootball Focus said he was a late round pick so we just blew our THIRD ROUND PICK, which is pure poppycosh.


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Steelers usually roster 3 TEs will an undrafted beat out Gentry?

I could see Buggs beating out Big Dan. I mean how difficult can that be?

Sutton probably will battle Ola for that last spot. His production is very very interesting...

I hope you are correct about Gentry. Even after bulking up, he looks like a 6'8" WR that is going to get blown up in the NFL.

If Buggs decides he want to play then he will be a steal - I would love to see that. There are times when he was absolutely dominant.
 
Pretty sure we had some inside info on Buggs, considering Dunbar was his coach 2 seasons ago. Buggs is legit if his motor is running.
 
Pretty sure we had some inside info on Buggs, considering Dunbar was his coach 2 seasons ago. Buggs is legit if his motor is running.

I can afford to be optimistic about a 6th. Kid had more sacks than QW, who most thought he was the best player in the draft...but, yes, his motor...Big Dan has never got his motor running to date either...we shall see.
 
I hope you are correct about Gentry. Even after bulking up, he looks like a 6'8" WR that is going to get blown up in the NFL.

If Buggs decides he want to play then he will be a steal - I would love to see that. There are times when he was absolutely dominant.

I could be wrong. I hope I am not. Steelers will have a good preseason look. If he isn't up to snuff they could add another TE. And should if that be the case.
 
Well see on d johnson a lot of good wrs were still on board.... until we see other wise.... he was the steal of the draft! for me the more they talk him up the more I smell bs I remember all the Jarvis Jones bs as to don’t worry about the fact he can’t out run his grannie... 40 time not a good indicator of foot speed.. ya... willie Reid haunts all steeler 3rd rd wr draft picks we heard all this same bs about him.. go steeelerrrrss!!!!
 
I could be wrong. I hope I am not. Steelers will have a good preseason look. If he isn't up to snuff they could add another TE. And should if that be the case.

Yes. Backup TEs are like middle relief in baseball - you only know when you don't have it.
 
Well see on d johnson a lot of good wrs were still on board.... until we see other wise.... he was the steal of the draft! for me the more they talk him up the more I smell bs I remember all the Jarvis Jones bs as to don’t worry about the fact he can’t out run his grannie... 40 time not a good indicator of foot speed.. ya... willie Reid haunts all steeler 3rd rd wr draft picks we heard all this same bs about him.. go steeelerrrrss!!!!

Yeah except DJ show speed and incredible open field moves on tape. He was not exactly slow either just not AS fast as some. He seems to have quick feet and vision. I don't think a comparison with him and JJ is fair at all to him.
 
Pretty sure we had some inside info on Buggs, considering Dunbar was his coach 2 seasons ago. Buggs is legit if his motor is running.

I thought we had.good info on frazier for the same reason. Seems like the info we had was not good.
 
I thought we had.good info on frazier for the same reason. Seems like the info we had was not good.

Never thought much about Frazier he was a backup. From that the odds looked long.

I think Buggs will be a good rotational backup. Not sure he will be more than that..............

But I think his production will help his odds....
 
6. Sutton Smith (6:175, OLB NIU). Probably just a ST guy. Productive in college but got completely gobbled up by OT at Sr. Bowl. Not fast, big or anything. They say he needs to find a new position, but could that position be? The highly coveted "hybrid" safety? I don't see him making the roster. C-

7. Isaiah Buggs (6:193, DE, Ala). Has physical tools, but motor is low. I guess they think he can play DE. I don't see him making the team. D.

Those guys were available in the 6th and 7th rounds for a reason. I like selecting an edge rusher who was incredibly productive in college, who looks like he is on fire when playing, who will probably help on special teams, and who posted some pretty impressive combine numbers (best 3-cone by a significant margin, 25 reps). If he were 6'3", 255 lbs. and posted those numbers, he would be gone in the first round. So he helps on special teams, is too small to be an edge rusher, and was overwhelmed by offensive lineman during the senior bowl. Again, that's why he was there in the 6th round.

As for Buggs ... he was available in the 7th round for a reason. I believe he stands a chance of being on the field for pass rush skills, replacing Grave Digger. If not ... he was a 7th round pick.

So selecting a guy who is going to help special teams, has some very intriguing physical tools, was productive in college, but has a lot to work on in the 3rd round? D. In the 6th round? B+. Selecting a guy who can rush the passer in the A-gap, but who has conditioning issues, and does not have significant physical tools in the 4th round? C. In the 7th round? B at worst.
 
Steelers usually roster 3 TEs will an undrafted beat out Gentry?

I could see Buggs beating out Big Dan. I mean how difficult can that be?

Sutton probably will battle Ola for that last spot. His production is very very interesting...
Buggs WILL beat Big Dan. Write it down.

Our run D just got a hellava lot better - trust me!
 
3 (R3, 83) CB Justin Layne, Michigan - I think he will struggle in the NFL but could play in dime.

Layne's biggest improvement needed is to be less grabby when the WR makes a cut, but the dude can jam receivers very well, is a solid tackler, finds the ball in the air, and I think has the potential to be a very solid CB. There are just not that many CB's who are 6'2", with 33" arms, and who run a 4.46 40. I am really starting to like this pick. Some agree with me:

https://www.cover1.net/nfl-draft-scouting-report-justin-layne-cb-michigan-state/

Justin Layne is a developmental cornerback who has the necessary physical skills to become a high end starting cornerback at the NFL level. Layne has terrific ball skills, prototypical length and good long speed. Where he’s lacking? Layne is pretty rough around the edges in his transitions and struggles when detached from receivers to transition and gave up a lot of soft receptions as a result. With greater footwork, Layne has excellent potential.

https://www.bigblueview.com/2019/3/...higan-state-cb-scouting-report-ny-giants-news

A highly-regarded wide receiver recruit, Layne transitioned to cornerback as a freshman and developed into a shutdown defender in college. Given his length, play strength, ball skills and route anticipation ability, Layne is best used in a press/man role at the next level. He has the physical upside to excel in zone but he must develop in terms of spacing and route awareness. A physical player, Layne is disruptive early in routes and at the catch point while playing with no hesitation when needed to play through contact and make a tackle. Layne should be an eventual starter with a fairly high ceiling as he continues to learn the nuances of the cornerback position.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/justin-layne
 
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