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Kaboly says Steelers Listening to trade offers for Watt

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Mark Kaboly old triple chin himself said on 93.7 The Fan on Friday that he’s hearing the team is listening to what other teams may be offering for TJ Watt.
Mixed feelings on this one for me. Good business sense tells me don’t pay him more than Myles Garrett at soon to be 31 years old.
On the other hand I’d really hate to see TJ play for another team. Seems like he was born to be a Steeler but you’re taking a hell of a chance on TJ having more productive years. You’re paying him for past achievements.
I’ll believe it when I see it but that’s what Kaboly is saying.
 
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I would only go as high as 75-80% of the top contract, but offer incentives that would allow him to make 110% of the top contract. That recognizes his past performance while accepting that these are the declining years. It also allows for TJ to get paid “I told you so” money.

Also, why would you NOT listen to offers? Just because you listen, or even suggest, trade offers doesn’t mean you are required to make any trade. This allows you to gauge the market value instead of guessing like all the talking heads do. No player is ever irreplaceable.

For the right terms, EVERYTHING I have can be acquired, EVERYTHING.
 
Should TJ be the highest paid non QB? That's the question because that is the contract that it's gonna take to get it done.

1. Pay TJ and make him the highest paid non QB in the NFL (this is why they should extend players early in the offseason).
2. Make him play out the contract and let him walk.
3. Play out the contract and franchise him.
4. Look for a trade.

If the Steelers don't play Watt, are they going to use the cap dollars wisely?

From what I gather from reading/listening to various reporters, the current market for Watt seems to be a second and a late-round pick. IMO, that is selling very low. A contender in need of a pass rusher would have to pay a premium.

However, why trade him after signing Rodgers and making the trades for DK, Ramsey, and Smith? It kind of defeats the purpose.

As a fan, I want them to lock him up for the remainder of his career. From a team-building perspective, if the Steelers can add a first and a day 3 pick, they have to strongly consider the move. More ammo to maneuver next year's (and maybe even future drafts) to secure a QB is extremely valuable.
 
steelhurt said:
Mark Kaboly old triple chin himself said on 93.7 The Fan on Friday that he’s hearing the team is listening to what other teams may be offering for TJ Watt.
Mixed feelings on this one for me. Good business sense tells me don’t pay him more than Myles Garrett at soon to be 31 years old.
On the other hand I’d really hate to see TJ play for another team. Seems like he was born to be a Steeler but you’re taking a hell of a chance on TJ having more productive years. You’re paying him for past achievements.
I’ll believe it when I see it but that’s what Kaboly is saying.
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I believe teams always listen but there is no indication beyond that, like picking up the phone and inquiring is taking place. I believe little in regards to what these media hacks throw out now. They are less about accuracy than ever before.

I think it is a normal process for the Steelers that is just that simply a contract negotiation period.

I think the team is held back by X and O and scheme/HC. If they would do anything with Watt in regards to moving him, we could add a whole level of inept to the woodpile.

From their win now offseason approach it just wouldn’t mesh to not retain TJ.
 
I think the world oif TJ Watt. Great player. But if they trade him, it's ok. I acknowledge scheme and all that is a problem. However, beat the man in front of you in the biggest games. He hasn't, nor has any of the players on the Steelers, which is why I'm not really dedicated to any of them. If this was Troy or Hines or Ben or someone that won something, but it isn't. I bet every player who has ever played will tell you they have to overcome coaching sometimes.
 
I hope we don't break the bank to pay him what he's looking for. It's not like he's 25. If he goes somewhere he can get a ring, it's not going to be in Pittsburgh, and we get some help rebuilding the foundation it's a win-win situation.
 
The ones who say don’t pay him say it’s because of age, late season decline & injury history.

Not saying I agree with that, but If that’s true and you see it from your couch, do you think he’s fetching a lot on the trade market to people who are trained to look for those things?

I don’t see a world where the values line up.
We would likely need too much back to make it make sense.
Other Teams wouldn’t want to give that much back to make it make sense for them.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Should TJ be the highest paid non QB? That's the question because that is the contract that it's gonna take to get it done.

1. Pay TJ and make him the highest paid non QB in the NFL (this is why they should extend players early in the offseason).
2. Make him play out the contract and let him walk.
3. Play out the contract and franchise him.
4. Look for a trade.

If the Steelers don't play Watt, are they going to use the cap dollars wisely?


However, why trade him after signing Rodgers and making the trades for DK, Ramsey, and Smith? It kind of defeats the purpose.
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Big if as far as using the cap dollars wisely. Paying an aging vet the highest non QB salary for past performance IS poor usage of cap dollars. So I guess imho if the offer is right you have to take the deal and your chances on spending wisely over definitively spending based on emotion/ not wisely.

The why trade him is simple. It is an offensive league. They need to start shifting from the disparity of cap spent on the D to investing in the offense. Get assets for TJ (again if the price is right) and once Cam retires they are in a position to reallocate cap space/budget towards the offense.

The other why trade him is to gain more assets for the move to acquire a QB in the coming draft.

I get it, the Steelers are loyal to a fault…the key word being FAULT
TJ was a great player and MAY have another couple years of solid top end production. The issues begin in years 3,4 and hopefully not 5 of that inflated past performance contract he seeks.
As much as I enjoy watching him play he needs to decide if squeezing blood from a turnip will get his team where they need to go, but I can’t fault a player from trying to maximize his earning potential either.
 
slashsteel said:
I believe teams always listen but there is no indication beyond that, like picking up the phone and inquiring is taking place. I believe little in regards to what these media hacks throw out now. They are less about accuracy than ever before.

I think it is a normal process for the Steelers that is just that simply a contract negotiation period.

I think the team is held back by X and O and scheme/HC. If they would do anything with Watt in regards to moving him, we could add a whole level of inept to the woodpile.

From their win now offseason approach it just wouldn’t mesh to not retain TJ.
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Great post slash, thank you SIR


If the TJ is traded it goes a long way into showing the Tomlin and scheme doen’t have a clue on how to use talent. Should the trade happen, it would show my aspect of exactly that.

The Ravens would know how to use TJ, along with even the clowns and bengals………. What’s our problem?

A can’t refuse over the top offer would be hard to turn down, but that’d be 1st/3rd/4th/ and player.



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Drink IRON City said:
Great post slash, thank you SIR


If the TJ is traded it goes a long way into showing the Tomlin and scheme doen’t have a clue on how to use talent. Should the trade happen, it would show my aspect of exactly that.

The Ravens would know how to use TJ, along with even the clowns and bengals………. What’s our problem?

A can’t refuse over the top offer would be hard to turn down, but that’d be 1st/3rd/4th/ and player.



Salute the nation




Salute the nation
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I really think that the Tomlin focus is to get good players, give them a vanilla game plan that can't be adjusted, and this will bring enough wins. Lord knows he can't coach them up, or adjust to meet their strengths well.

This is what Watt faces if he stays. If he goes, he runs the risk of being used better, and he might hoist that trophy. This is actually what I am hoping for him, as there is no way that he gets it under Tomlin.
 
I feel like we are in a good spot to pay him. We won't have a QB contract next year unless we continue recycling old QBs. Even with that i don't know who is available that would break the bank. We won't have Minkahs contact, and Heyward doesnt have much time left. Money wise paying watt might not be the smartest, but i don't think it is going to handicap the team. Losing Watt will be more costly than the few extra $$ they would spend
 
I love what TJ has done for this team, as a defensive player he has almost single handedly won us multiple close games in the 4th quarter with his play over the years.

But it’s about where he is today, and if he won’t fetch a 1st round pick in a trade he doesn’t deserve to be the highest paid non-QB!! The market is the market. (assuming the rumors are right in that’s what he’s asking for)

Hopefully cooler heads prevail and he signs something with performance incentives that can get him up close to that number, or would he sign a high paying contract for a shorter amount of time- you can’t break the bank for a 35 year old edge rusher.

If someone offers a first round pick later this summer out of desperation I’d take it, it’s really all about getting the draft capital to move up and get a top QB in 2026 and finding a way for Tomlins schemes not to ruin his development, this year will be similar to the last 8 with or without TJ-the ceiling is 1 playoff win max
 
TDX27 said:
I also read yesterday that the Steelers had a $200 million offer on the table. It was from one of the NFL Network or ESPN NFL guru's. If they trade him, Tomlin may finally have a losing season.
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It’s not the money of the contract, but the GUARANTEED MONEY that TJ is wanting.

5yrs / 207.5 mill / 116-122 mil guaranteed will probably get him to sign.

Seems like a lot of money, but it’s the guaranteed part that is most important to these guys. Can’t blame them.



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Drink IRON City said:
It’s not the money of the contract, but the GUARANTEED MONEY that TJ is wanting.

5yrs / 207.5 mill / 116-122 mil guaranteed will probably get him to sign.

Seems like a lot of money, but it’s the guaranteed part that is most important to these guys. Can’t blame them.



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Yeah. I don't blame TJ all. I don't blame the Steelers for not wanting to pay it, either. It's all business, and even more so because this group hasn't won anything. I just don't feel the same loyalty to these guys like I did the '70s guys or the later Super Bowl winning guys.
 
diver said:
I think the world oif TJ Watt. Great player. But if they trade him, it's ok. I acknowledge scheme and all that is a problem. However, beat the man in front of you in the biggest games. He hasn't, nor has any of the players on the Steelers, which is why I'm not really dedicated to any of them. If this was Troy or Hines or Ben or someone that won something, but it isn't. I bet every player who has ever played will tell you they have to overcome coaching sometimes.
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This is a pretty good assessment. I want to be very clear, I want the Steelers so sign Watt to a long-term deal that will keep him here until he retires, however, you're correct in saying there isn't the same level of "attachment" the players like some of the ones you mentioned because they haven't won anything. They haven't even went on a legitimate playoff run. But a player of his caliber you cannot just give away and a first is the starting point of discussions. It would have to be a Super Bowl contender that feels they need to make a big splash, but also be willing to extend his contract and teams don't seem to be willing to give up first-round picks for players in need of a monster contract extension.
 
I guess I see things a little different than most here. I look at what else TJ brings. He is double on most plays or at least being chipped and even tripled sometimes. this is still a 11 on 11 game so when TJ is being double or tripled on a play that frees up others to make a play. the other thing is in my 50+ years of watching and playing I don't think I have ever seen a player held as much as TJ is and there is almost never a call.

I'm in the camp of pay that man his money. how may here remember what it was like when they let Woodson walk over money just to seem him win a SB with the rats. I don't know about the rest of you but that still bothers me.
 
warriors42 said:
I guess I see things a little different than most here. I look at what else TJ brings. He is double on most plays or at least being chipped and even tripled sometimes. this is still a 11 on 11 game so when TJ is being double or tripled on a play that frees up others to make a play. the other thing is in my 50+ years of watching and playing I don't think I have ever seen a player held as much as TJ is and there is almost never a call.

I'm in the camp of pay that man his money. how may here remember what it was like when they let Woodson walk over money just to seem him win a SB with the rats. I don't know about the rest of you but that still bothers me.
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I would be good with signing him. The issue for me is not the Steelers, but for TJ's sake. There is no SB for him (or anyone else) here. Love the guy. I want him to hoist the Lombardi.
 
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