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Jimmie Johnson - HOF

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During halftime of the Pack - Seattle Game --- Cowboys coach Jimmie Johnson just announced as a HOF coach .
 
Pittsburgh Charlie said:
Are all the special finalist in now or can Donnie Shell still get in?


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They are selecting 2 Coaches .... Cowher and Johnson
3 Contributors .......
10 seniors....... very good chance for Donnie Shell because his numbers are ridiculously better than most on the list:lock1:
5 modern day....... Troy P........ did things no one else had done ... 1st ballot HOF in my book:lock1:........ Alan Faneca....another guy with phenomenal numbers 9 pro bowls 6 first team all pro.... The only other Guards with anything close to that are already in the HOF.... He may not get in just because of the other 3 making it. If he doesn't he should make it next year.:neglected:
 
I just don't think JJ is a hall of fame guy. he was with Dallas for 4 or 5 years and Miami for 3 or 4 years. he won 2 super bowls with a stacked team. not hall of fame worhy
 
BLITZ said:
I just don't think JJ is a hall of fame guy. he was with Dallas for 4 or 5 years and Miami for 3 or 4 years. he won 2 super bowls with a stacked team. not hall of fame worhy
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Yes small sample size compared to most coaches.. He took over for Tom Landry in Dallas and for Don Shula in Miami......... both hard acts to follow
He orchestrated the biggest trade I think in history (Herschel Walker) and took those picks to make that stacked team you mentioned. To go from 1 and 15 to a winner and Superbowl champ back to back is extremely impressive... Had Jerry Jones kept his hands off the situation we would probably be talking about a guy with 4 Superbowls to his credit. It is hard to win in this league and the days of coaches being around for 20 plus years is a thing of the past, except for Bellicheat and A Reid....
Contemplate this ..... Tom Landry 28 years coaching 2 Superbowls 1 COY and Don Shula 33 years coaching 4 COY 2 Superbowls
 
BLITZ said:
I just don't think JJ is a hall of fame guy. he was with Dallas for 4 or 5 years and Miami for 3 or 4 years. he won 2 super bowls with a stacked team. not hall of fame worhy
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that team was stacked BECAUSE of him. what, you think jerry jones put that team together?
 
I do not think a head coach put that trade together buy him self. No way
 
BLITZ said:
I do not think a head coach put that trade together buy him self. No way
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Johnson came up with the idea and when they found interest from several teams, the main trading partner being Cleveland he created a bidding war by contacting Minnesota himself. Draft picks were not viewed the same way back then and there was no salary cap. Jimmy Johnson had final say in player personnel even though Jerry Jones had GM as part of his title. Control over this aspect is what eventually drove the two apart as Johnson did not want to relinquish this control. Johnson was a good talent evaluator. His drafting and trading skills built that team of the 90's. They paid Walker an exit bonus 1.25 million so he would go along with the trade. Hell Pittsburgh and San Francisco played a big part in starting the dynasty for them by allowing them to move up to #17 to get Emmitt Smith in exchanges for some of the Minnesota draft capital he compiled.
Jerry Jones would be a lot richer had he just stood back and allowed him to control football operations......
 
Paul G said:
Johnson came up with the idea and when they found interest from several teams, the main trading partner being Cleveland he created a bidding war by contacting Minnesota himself. Draft picks were not viewed the same way back then and there was no salary cap. Jimmy Johnson had final say in player personnel even though Jerry Jones had GM as part of his title. Control over this aspect is what eventually drove the two apart as Johnson did not want to relinquish this control. Johnson was a good talent evaluator. His drafting and trading skills built that team of the 90's. They paid Walker an exit bonus 1.25 million so he would go along with the trade. Hell Pittsburgh and San Francisco played a big part in starting the dynasty for them by allowing them to move up to #17 to get Emmitt Smith in exchanges for some of the Minnesota draft capital he compiled.
Jerry Jones would be a lot richer had he just stood back and allowed him to control football operations......
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that is great but hall of fame worthy ? no way. he really had 3 good years in dallas. went to Miami when Marino was sill great and did nothing. with those credentials a **** ton of coaches should be in the hall.
 
BLITZ said:
I just don't think JJ is a hall of fame guy. he was with Dallas for 4 or 5 years and Miami for 3 or 4 years. he won 2 super bowls with a stacked team. not hall of fame worhy
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Agree. Same issue I have with Cowher, he didn't coach long enough to be in the HOF. 14 years and 1-1 in Super Bowls ain't it. I think he got in for two reasons....he's a commentator every Sunday and in front of people (same for JJ) and the voters know he got screwed out of one or two Super Bowls because he lost to the Pats****** in the playoffs at the height of their cheating.

Now people will be demanding that Shades go in the HOF because their stats are similar and if you don't think so, you're a racist.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Agree. Same issue I have with Cowher, he didn't coach long enough to be in the HOF. 14 years and 1-1 in Super Bowls ain't it. I think he got in for two reasons....he's a commentator every Sunday and in front of people (same for JJ) and the voters know he got screwed out of one or two Super Bowls because he lost to the Pats****** in the playoffs at the height of their cheating.

Now people will be demanding that Shades go in the HOF because their stats are similar and if you don't think so, you're a racist.
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Modern Era Coaches in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

George Allen is the 12th modern-era head coach elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. As coach of the Los Angeles from 1966-1970 and the Washington Redskins from 1971-1977, he compiled a 118-54-5 record for a winning percentage of .681. He never had a losing record in his 12 seasons as a head coach in the National Football League. Here's a look at the other head coaches enshrined in Canton.

Paul Brown - 1946-62 Cleveland Browns, 1968-75 Cincinnati Bengals - Overall record: 222-112-9, .660 - A revolutionary innovator, he suffered only one losing season in 17 years as a head coach of the Browns. Elected to the Hall of Fame before his tenure with Bengals.

Weeb Ewank - 1954-62 Colts, 1963-73 Jets - Overall Record: 134-130-7, .507 - The only coach ever to win a championship in the National Football League ('58, '59 Colts) and the American Football League ('68 Jets - Super Bowl III).

Joe Gibbs - 1981-92 Washington Redskins - Overall Record: 140-65-0, .683 - Noted for his work ethic and motivational skills, he won Super Bowls XVII, XXII, XXVI with three different quarterbacks.

Sid Gillman, Class of 1983Sid Gillman - 1955-59 Los Angeles Rams, 1960-69, 1971 San Diego Chargers, 1973-74 Houston Oilers - Overall Record: 123-104-7, .541 - Recognized as one of the leading authorities on passing tactics. He was the first coach to win divisional titles in both the NFL and AFL.

Bud Grant - 1967-83, 1985 Minnesota Vikings - Overall Record: 168-108-5, .607 - Led the Vikings to 11 divisional titles and won the 1969 NFL championship, NFC titles in '73, '74, and '76.

Tom Landry - 1960-88 Dallas Cowboys - Overall Record: 270-178-6, .601 - Coached the Cowboys for 29 years. Had 20 straight winning seasons that included five NFC and two Super Bowl victories.

Marv Levy - 1978-82 Kansas City Chiefs, 1986-97 Buffalo Bills - Overall Record: 154-120-0, .562 - The only coach ever to guide his team to four consecutive Super Bowls. He led the Bills to the playoffs eight times in 11 seasons.

Vince Lombardi - 1959-67 Green Bay Packers, 1969 Washington Redskins - Overall Record: 105-35-6, .740 - A noted taskmaster, he transformed the Packers into winners in just two seasons. Guided Green Bay to five NFL titles and victories in Super Bowls I and II.Vince Lombardi, Class of 1971

Chuck Noll - 1969-91 Pittsburgh Steelers; Overall Record: 209-156-1, .572 - He took over a team that had never won a championship of any kind. Became the only coach in history to win four Super Bowls (IX, X, XIII, XIV).

Don Shula - 1963-69 Baltimore Colts, 1970-95 Miami Dolphins - Overall Record: 347-173-6, .665 - He is the winningest coach in NFL history with 347 wins. Led Colts to seven consecutive winning records. In 26 years with Miami, only had two seasons below .500.

Bill Walsh - 1979-88 San Francisco 49ers - Overall Record: 102-63-1, .617 - Widely regarded as a passing offense expert. Turned 49ers into NFL champions in just three seasons. In all, won three Super Bowls (XVI, XIX, and XXIII).

I believe you have to stack up resume against current HOF coaches. Coach Bill’s record does not look too bad.

Cowher finished his career with a 161-99-1 record, including postseason, for a .619 winning percentage.
 
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So, here's the question I ask myself about the coaches going into the HOF. What would be the outcome if Cowher or Johnson took over a team like the Bengals or Browns? I believe the result would be in the Bengals case, a team that is competitive next year and competing for the division shortly thereafter. In the case of the Browns, I believe Cowher and Johnson have that team as currently constituted competing in the playoffs, and possibly in the AFCCG next year. I think they each belong in the HOF because each has proven to be able to take a team that isn't doing well and turn them around in short order.

I would love to see Bill Cowher coaching in today's NFL. Would he still believe in running the football and playing good defense over a high-flying offense?

Papillon
 
BLITZ said:
I just don't think JJ is a hall of fame guy. he was with Dallas for 4 or 5 years and Miami for 3 or 4 years. he won 2 super bowls with a stacked team. not hall of fame worhy
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This is just foolish statement


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papillon said:
So, here's the question I ask myself about the coaches going into the HOF. What would be the outcome if Cowher or Johnson took over a team like the Bengals or Browns? I believe the result would be in the Bengals case, a team that is competitive next year and competing for the division shortly thereafter. In the case of the Browns, I believe Cowher and Johnson have that team as currently constituted competing in the playoffs, and possibly in the AFCCG next year. I think they each belong in the HOF because each has proven to be able to take a team that isn't doing well and turn them around in short order.

I would love to see Bill Cowher coaching in today's NFL. Would he still believe in running the football and playing good defense over a high-flying offense?

Papillon
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Cowher played the hand he was dealt and was willing to experiment.

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The people that vote for this stuff know alot more than we do. Maybe it goes beyond the numbers. Cowher took over a losing team, immediately turned it around. Had no free agency money to work with, and he still overturned the roster pretty quickly even dealing with constant roster turnover. He coached a team with Kordell at QB to the #1 seed in the AFC twice and both times to the AFCCG. Coached a team with Neil at QB to two AFCCG and a Super Bowl.
He won playoff games with 5 different QB's(Neil, Tomczak, Kordell, Maddox, Ben), and coached 3 different QB's to Championship games and two different QBs to Super Bowls.
The guy could coach and get the absolute most out of his players.
 
Is there a coach with 2 SBs that isn't in the HOF? Johnson built that Dallas team and coached them. He had a .875 winning % in the playoffs with Dallas. That's a 7-1 mark. I don't care how long he coached. He's a HOF coach.
 
Vader said:
Is there a coach with 2 SBs that isn't in the HOF? Johnson built that Dallas team and coached them. He had a .875 winning % in the playoffs with Dallas. That's a 7-1 mark. I don't care how long he coached. He's a HOF coach.
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Tom Flores is not in the HOF I believe.
 
FSF said:
Cowher played the hand he was dealt and was willing to experiment.

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No, its definitely a comment and also my opinion, and my opinion is that either Johnson or Cowher could take a perennially bad team and turn them into a winning team in short order and that's one of the reasons along with their success that they are going to be inducted into the HOF.

Papillon
 
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