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Jesse James vs Maxx Williams Comparisons Begin

Solid article, thanks for posting. I wouldn't have touched Maxx - or any other TE - in the second round. I'm perfectly happy Jesse fell in our laps in the fifth round, I was convinced he'd be taken in either round 3 or 4. I also agree with the overall point of the article that Jesse James may very well turn out to be the better player between those two. In my book the Ravens got spooked into moving up for that pick, ha ha.
 
James production was a bit low, but the article says he was under unitized. James who's 6'7" and had a pro day 40 time of 4.66 and 4.71 seconds, which is better than Williams.

The knock on James, based on what I have read is he's not a natural pass catcher, and is more of " mechanical " type of player. I'd like to see him add 10 pounds He has the frame to do so.
 
Production low because of the emphasis on the run under Franklin where O'Brien was more to Jesse's strengths. This guy can easily add 1 pounds and at 6'7" 275 lbs. could be a nightmare for defenses and could be exactly what's needed in the red zone. Great value in the 5'th round.
 
Kevin Colbert expressed that Senquez Golson was going to be the Steelers' second round pick even if Williams was there.


There it is again
 
Kevin Colbert expressed that Senquez Golson was going to be the Steelers' second round pick even if Williams was there.


There it is again

Didn't you get the memo? Colbert's word is not to be trusted. He lies all the time.
 
Kevin Colbert expressed that Senquez Golson was going to be the Steelers' second round pick even if Williams was there.


There it is again

Gerry Dulac is the only one I seen claiming we were gonna take Williams.
 
Gerry Dulac is the only one I seen claiming we were gonna take Williams.

I thought it was Bouchette on twitter and the national media citing him like he was dropping manna from heaven?
 
Kevin Colbert expressed that Senquez Golson was going to be the Steelers' second round pick even if Williams was there.


There it is again

Gerry Dulac swore up and down in his chat today that Golson was the pick over Williams if both were there.
 
In looking back at the ratings the guys on here provided for these guys, Tight Ends, none of them including Williams were likely to be the next big thing on the offense. There were three that looked like they could be decent picks for the Steelers. Williams and James were two and the third was listed somewhat lower in the rankings. There seems to be a media crush on pass catching from the tight end position rating it much higher than blocking. The steelers have an inverse value with blocking first and pass catching second. Not sure I understand the desire to have passes completed to your slowest receiver, typically your running back is better after the catch as are your wide outs. The tight end might be targeted for a pass 6 times a game by the steelers but he is likely to block in excess of 40 times, seems like they have their priorities correct.

The two players James and Williams are both very close in abilities with James maybe being the better blocker of the two. I think the steelers made the right choice getting him when they did. One other thing I heard on the web was Williams seems to have an attitude issue to deal with, not sure if true or not, but it looks like the right guy was chosen and two other good players were added into the team that might not have been available if they took Williams. That sounds like good planning and being true to your board.
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In looking back at the ratings the guys on here provided for these guys, Tight Ends, none of them including Williams were likely to be the next big thing on the offense. There were three that looked like they could be decent picks for the Steelers. Williams and James were two and the third was listed somewhat lower in the rankings. There seems to be a media crush on pass catching from the tight end position rating it much higher than blocking. The steelers have an inverse value with blocking first and pass catching second. Not sure I understand the desire to have passes completed to your slowest receiver, typically your running back is better after the catch as are your wide outs. The tight end might be targeted for a pass 6 times a game by the steelers but he is likely to block in excess of 40 times, seems like they have their priorities correct.

The two players James and Williams are both very close in abilities with James maybe being the better blocker of the two. I think the steelers made the right choice getting him when they did. One other thing I heard on the web was Williams seems to have an attitude issue to deal with, not sure if true or not, but it looks like the right guy was chosen and two other good players were added into the team that might not have been available if they took Williams. That sounds like good planning and being true to your board.
:herewego:

I'm still jumping and cheering cause we got James on the 5th instead of Maxx on the 2nd or 3rd.
James adapts better to the Steelers way as you explained and Maxx has an ******* attitude apparently. **** the ravens and their reach on that trade up
 
Human beings are slaves to their history.

The Steelers covet guys like Mark Bruener and Heath Miller. Workhorses who can catch a football when asked to do so. Heath just happens to be good at it, which is a bonus.

The Ravens prefer guys like Todd Heap and the less spectacular but no less lauded Kevin Winslow Jr. They want "Playmakers" in the TE spot.

We got EXACTLY who we needed and wanted. The Ravens got EXACTLY who they deserved.

It will all work out in the end.
 
Human beings are slaves to their history.

The Steelers covet guys like Mark Bruener and Heath Miller. Workhorses who can catch a football when asked to do so. Heath just happens to be good at it, which is a bonus.

The Ravens prefer guys like Todd Heap and the less spectacular but no less lauded Kevin Winslow Jr. They want "Playmakers" in the TE spot.

We got EXACTLY who we needed and wanted. The Ravens got EXACTLY who they deserved.

It will all work out in the end.

Couldn't have said it any better.
 
WIlliams and James should not be directly compared, at least not in terms of production. They will be used differently. It's kind of like the Troy vs Reed comparisons. Both are Safeties but they had completely different roles. The Reed supporters point to his INT total vs Troy but it's not a fair comparison because Reed was allowed to drop back and go for INTs while Troy was playing down in the box most of the time.

Williams will be used mainly as a receiver. He will be a primary target on many plays. James will mainly be a blocker and when he does release into routes, he will usually be a 3rd or 4th option, just like Heath.
 
Here's James vs Ohio State 2014. In this video you will see him mostly blocking because the PSU OL was terrible last year. Note how often James is put in motion or starts in the backfield. He has blitz recognition in the backfield. A few times he picks up a blitzer from the other side. That's something many RBs struggle to recognize in pass pro.

Also note how often James is blocking #97. That's Joey Bosa and he will be a top 5 pick next year. Bosa would have been the #1 pick in this year's draft.

These are difficult blocks in space that James is making. Does he look un-athletic?

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Here is a video from his freshman year in O'Brien's offense. He had a senior QB, McGloin, and a good OL that allowed him to be more of a receiver. In terms of his production, you have to take into account that O'Brien used 2 TEs. PSU also has an athletic TE Kyle Carter who split the TE receptions.

This video shows more of James as a receiver. He doesn't have gamebreaking speed but he's plenty athletic and can run after the catch.

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He looked like one of the few decent players on that team. Most of those guys were so bad they made it look like Ohio State had 15 guys on the field. I am surprised we did not draft that qb with the way we have been picking qbs lately
 
He looked like one of the few decent players on that team. Most of those guys were so bad they made it look like Ohio State had 15 guys on the field. I am surprised we did not draft that qb with the way we have been picking qbs lately

The issue was the OL. They had 1 good player, Donovan Smith, who was just drafted in the 2nd round. The other good player was Miles Diffenbach who the steelers signed after the draft. He blew out his knee and only played the last few games of the season. They had to convert 2 DL to OL and they played like it.

The QB Hackenberg is talked about as a future first rounder. Some think he could be the #1 overall pick when he comes out. Last year was kind of a throw away for him because he was running for his life all year. They had no run game, and the WRs were almost all freshmen. Hack started missing WRs, expecting to be hit. He took a beating. Look at the very last play vs Ohio State that ended the game. He had a RB in to block and he still gets hit almost immediately.

Diffenbach played in the bowl game and the OL was much improved. With a little time to throw, Hack completed 65%, threw for 370 and 4 TDs. If you watched a random game during the year, you would think he sucks, but it's not really fair to judge him with the beating he took all year.

So when you hear people point out James's low receptions, or say he was misused, you see why. He had to stay in to block or their QB would have been killed.
 
So, two questions come to mind.
1. Does he have the potential to make the final roster?
2. Realistically, what is his ceiling? i.e. what NFL TE would you say he has the potential to become most like?
 
Realistically, James has a ceiling about as high as Martellus Bennett, IMO. Same build and athleticism, not the fastest, similar arm length and hand size. Same weaknesses coming out of college.

Bennett caught 85 passes his first 4 years...caught 90 just last year.

I think IF James can get a handle on his blocking assignments, he will be a better version of Spaeth for a few years and could develop some down-field mismatches and will be a target in the RZ unlike Spaeth. He has the potential to become a similar player to Bennett down the road IF he can improve his 'get-off'. He is one of the slowest guys off the line as his 10-yard numbers will attest. (1.7 range)
 
If we add miller and the equivalent of two spaeths we will be very well set at the position and when miller retires we can look for his replacement and if it takes a couple of years we will be ok behind him.
 
If you need any more convincing that James was a great pick, remind yourself the Steelers drafted Matt Spaeth in the third round. Seems to me James has more tools and a much higher ceiling.
 
I saw some of William's clips. The guy can ball, and will be a tough cover for us. The Ravens are comparing him to Todd Heap.

Our offensive is very explosive, yet we have had some red zone blues, a player like Williams could have helped.
 
I saw some of William's clips. The guy can ball, and will be a tough cover for us. The Ravens are comparing him to Todd Heap.

Our offensive is very explosive, yet we have had some red zone blues, a player like Williams could have helped.

Our defense sucks. Can Maxx cover an out route? How about sack a QB or set the edge? No? Ok, then bye Maxx.
 
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