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Is Mike Tomlin an Elite Coach?

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After a tough ending to the 2017 campaign a fair amount of Steelers fans and some within ownership started to question whether Mike Tomlin was the right man for the job. For the last few years I have also begun to feel as though Tomlin is a good coach but not one of the elite. […]

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He's in the bottom half of the top 10 of the current NFL coaches but his postseason failures definitely do not put him in the elite category. I personally think having Ben masks a lot of his issues. The Steelers are a 500 team at best minus Ben.
 
He is a good coach, in that at least you know what you are getting. He is remarkably consistent. To my mind, that is good and bad. But to answer the question, no he isn't elite. He's just good. Top 10, around 8-9-10.
 
In Ben We Trust said:
He's in the bottom half of the top 10 of the current NFL coaches but his postseason failures definitely do not put him in the elite category. I personally think having Ben masks a lot of his issues. The Steelers are a 500 team at best minus Ben.
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So what is Chuck Noll without Bradshaw, Shula without Griese, Walsh without Montana, Belichick without Brady, Shannahan without Elway, etc etc etc. Every elite QB had an elite coach. They go hand in hand.

I'm curious for you to list your top 10 coaches?
 
Elite.........on the edge,.......................definitely room to improve, raise the bar so to speak.




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PS. Read the article as it's a good read.



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Steelerfan81 said:
So what is Chuck Noll without Bradshaw, Shula without Griese, Walsh without Montana, Belichick without Brady, Shannahan without Elway, etc etc etc. Every elite QB had an elite coach. They go hand in hand.

I'm curious for you to list your top 10 coaches?
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Noll / Shula /Walsh / Billicheat**** have all done way more with their "elite" QBs than Coach Tomlin has done with his. Tomlin can definitely make a better showing with a few more PLAYOFF wins and at least one more SB with BEN at the helm.



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Drink IRON City said:
Noll / Shula /Walsh / Billicheat**** have all done way more with their "elite" QBs than Coach Tomlin has done with his. Tomlin can definitely make a better showing with a few more PLAYOFF wins and at least one more SB with BEN at the helm.



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Some fault has to go onto Ben's shoulders for costly turnovers in big games. Which causes the team to need to rally from big deficits. The Mendenhall fumble also wasn't Tomlins fault.

Tomlin has his negatives, but so do every coach if you watch around he NFL.

Everyone points at Tomlin not being able to beat the Patriots. Well no one but Tom Coughlin has accomplished it.
 
Number 15 ALL-TIME winning percentage and you guys have him around 10th of current coaches?

He DOES NEED ANOTHER RING, I agree. But he is #2 currently in the NFL...
 
Steelerfan81 said:
So what is Chuck Noll without Bradshaw, Shula without Griese, Walsh without Montana, Belichick without Brady, Shannahan without Elway, etc etc etc. Every elite QB had an elite coach. They go hand in hand.

I'm curious for you to list your top 10 coaches?
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Sooo, is there even such a thing as an elite coach?
 
Steelerfan81 said:
Some fault has to go onto Ben's shoulders for costly turnovers in big games. Which causes the team to need to rally from big deficits. The Mendenhall fumble also wasn't Tomlins fault.

Tomlin has his negatives, but so do every coach if you watch around he NFL.

Everyone points at Tomlin not being able to beat the Patriots. Well no one but Tom Coughlin has accomplished it.
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81, it's a two sided coin. The coaches get credit with the wins and they get credit with the losses. Sure Ben has his faults but so did all those other "elite" QBs but somehow the coaches found ways to win. Tomlin has just a little gap to fill, a few more playoff wins and one more SB. That's just my opinion. Is he pretty dam good, hell yes and he is just on the cusp of "ELITE". I want him ELITE, let's hope he makes it.
 
My overly simplistic view: if he brings us #7, then yes. If he never does, then no. The core he inherited knew how to win already. He has to teach these guys
 
Nope...
 
I have him as elite. His only peer at this point in his career is Shula, and if he could beat sub 500 teams, he'd have passed Shula's win total at this point in his career.

A lot of Steeler fans like to fabricate problems with him, or call him a poor clock manager, when we led the league in scoring under 2min for half and games last year. I also recorded him with 1 management error on the season, and we won that game. To be clear people, clock management is utilizing your TOs and play calling strategies to give your team the best chance of scoring under 2 min in the half and game. Also it refers to running out the clock at the end of the game when your team has the lead.

I did a spreadsheet on it last year, so I at least know what I'm talking about:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RQyCuXlheBFTUgL1l0XGxkwzdrLSwf6u094zqGVSEYQ
 
No truer words have ever been typed....."Players need to have some fear of their coach but Tomlin instills the feeling of friendship which could be causing more harm than good."
 
Bill Paxton's voice from Alien - Hey maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events, but Tomlin sucks.
 
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Comments from a long time sports writer from the Burgh......something to ponder

It’s a pay site but here is a cut of his editorial and site link.

“3. Mike Tomlin loses to bad teams.

This one’s becoming insane.

So we ran this graphic yesterday that showed the Pirates, to their credit, taking care of business against bad opponents …

… and we put a copy of that on social media, which prompted a whole bunch of replies about how it sure would be nice if Tomlin — not the Steelers, mind you, but Tomlin — would do likewise.

Well, for all of them and for everyone else who participates, a news flash: The Steelers and Tomlin are 14-2 over the past two seasons against losing teams.

Fourteen. And. Two.

Just because the other meme gets repeated and repeated and repeated doesn’t make it any less wrong, wrong, wrong.”

https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/2018/05/17/kovacevic-stuff-wrong/



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14 - 2? Well, I guess that SHOULD take care of the whining on that issue ... but we know it won't. 14 - 2 ... For those who have stated he'd be elite if he won against losing teams, I guess he's graduated to that level over the last couple of years eh? Personally, to me, he's a top 3 coach a this time. Mind you, just because you're one of the best in your era doesn't make you elite. One more SB and he gets the nod. Oh, my top 3?
1. Doug Pederson - If your team is the returning SB Champs, you're the top coach in the league until another team/coach wins it.
2. Belicheat
3. Tomlin
 
SteelBuckeye said:
14 - 2? Well, I guess that SHOULD take care of the whining on that issue ... but we know it won't. 14 - 2 ... For those who have stated he'd be elite if he won against losing teams, I guess he's graduated to that level over the last couple of years eh? Personally, to me, he's a top 3 coach a this time. Mind you, just because you're one of the best in your era doesn't make you elite. One more SB and he gets the nod. Oh, my top 3?
1. Doug Pederson - If your team is the returning SB Champs, you're the top coach in the league until another team/coach wins it.
2. Belicheat
3. Tomlin
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I think that is fair. I was thinking along this line.
 
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After a tough ending to the 2017 campaign a fair amount of Steelers fans and some within ownership started to question whether Mike Tomlin was the right man for the job. For the last few years I have also begun to feel as though Tomlin is a good coach but not one of the elite. […]

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as elite as Joe Flacco
 
No, not even close to elite. While he's not the worst, he's extremely overrated.
 
Why does Bellicheck get a pass on losing to bad teams, people here act like it doesn't happen to him. You guys are extremely biased against your own coach if you don't see it.

500 or worse losses for NE:
2017: MIA
2016: BUF
2015: PHL MIA
2014:MIA-500
2013 NYJ & MIA both at 500 thanks to their wins vs NE
2012 ARI
2011 BUF
2010 CLE
2009 DEN-500 MIA
2008 SD-500

Since their undefeated season in 2007, the Pats have lost to a 500 team or worse, every year. No team is immune to losing to bad teams. You don't play a team's record, you play the matchups and hopefully turn the ball over less.
 
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