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Is it time to bench Jarvis Jones?

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Is it time to bench Jarvis Jones?

In the past seven games, Jarvis Jones has but 9 total tackles ( Solo and assisted ). This very poor for a starting player, even he was a nose tackle. While Jones did make an interception recently, it's quite possible has last in the NFL.

I continue to see limited pressures, sloppy tackling, the inability to hold point vs the run, and zero in terms of pass coverage or special teams.

Jones seldom has his name called. More often than not I see him standing near a pile after the ball carrier has been tackled.

At this point in time, would it make sense to give Chickillo a chance to take some of Jarvis Jones snaps? I think so.

Our pass rush can use some help. Maybe Chickillo won't do any better, but then again maybe he will. He's got fresh legs.
 
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I love the way the title to the thread is a question even though you provide the answer and don't care about opinions other than the one you just provided.
 
Chikillo is a ST at best, he could barely get in the frame of the tv screen vs 3rd stringers. It is not time to bench JJ. I get it, you got a man crush on Chick, maybe he'll get some of Dupree's reps while he nurses his bruised tailbone.
 
SteelerAl said:
I love the way the title to the thread is a question even though you provide the answer and don't care about opinions other than the one you just provided.
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Al,

My thinking is thus. Jarvis Jones is no longer a rookie. He's probably as good as he's going to get. A 3-4 defense needs playmakers at the OLB spot, and Jones outside of his lone career interception has been anything but.

Additionally, he can not be deployed in coverage and adds nothing too special teams. His value to the team is slightly above what Dri Archer gave us.

When I see a weak link veteran is not holding his own ( Blake ), I am for limiting his snaps and trying other players on the team who just might be better. We have very little to lose, and quite possibly something to gain.

As for opinions of others, I welcome them. So instead of being slightly condescending, do you agree or disagree with the premise of the thread? After all, message boards are all about opinions.
 
It's a completely dumb idea. Chickillo did nothing in the preseason against 3rd stringers and nothing when he played against the Browns. You also said he was better than Bud Dupree earlier in the year. This was based on reports from training camp in which Chickillo was beating our incredibly bad 3rd string OTs. More Coach nonsense.
 
Isn't this Jones final year of his rookie contract? I'm guessing the Steelers will let him walk unless he comes back at basement price...or at least he better not be back unless he's basement price. The front office should already know what he offers and will just let him run out the string.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
Isn't this Jones final year of his rookie contract? I'm guessing the Steelers will let him walk unless he comes back at basement price...or at least he better not be back unless he's basement price. The front office should already know what he offers and will just let him run out the string.
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Nope. He's in his 3rd season. He signed a 4-year contract with an option for year 5. There is a decision in the offseason that concerns whether they will elect his option year. DeCastro is in his 4th season and they elected his 5th year option last year which is why he is coming back in 2016.

Hard to say whether they will or not with Jarvis --- the reason is that the 5th year option is only guaranteed for injury. They could elect his option, but then cut him at no cost after next year if he hasn't "blossomed" by then. But of course there is a risk of him having a serious injury and getting stuck with him at a very high salary for 2017. That's the situation the Redskins face with RGIII --- he has been inactive all season because they want to be able to cut him after the season.
 
SteelerAl said:
It's a completely dumb idea. Chickillo did nothing in the preseason against 3rd stringers and nothing when he played against the Browns. You also said he was better than Bud Dupree earlier in the year. This was based on reports from training camp in which Chickillo was beating our incredibly bad 3rd string OTs. More Coach nonsense.
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How do you know Chickillo has not improved since camp? Remember Chickillo was making a switch from DL to OLB.

I disagree, Chickillo did show some pass rushing promise in the pre-season. If you read camp reports, some x steelers and reporters said Chickillo was looking better than Dupree.

But it comes back to this. Jones is doing very little, and unlike the younger players has very little room to improve.
 
Coach said:
How do you know Chickillo has not improved since camp? Remember Chickillo was making a switch from DL to OLB.

I disagree, Chickillo did show some pass rushing promise in the pre-season. If you read camp reports, some x steelers and reporters said Chickillo was looking better than Dupree.

But it comes back to this. Jones is doing very little, and unlike the younger players has very little room to improve.
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maybe because he got over a dozen snaps and did less than Jarvis.
 
SteelerAl said:
Nope. He's in his 3rd season. He signed a 4-year contract with an option for year 5. There is a decision in the offseason that concerns whether they will elect his option year. DeCastro is in his 4th season and they elected his 5th year option last year which is why he is coming back in 2016.

Hard to say whether they will or not with Jarvis --- the reason is that the 5th year option is only guaranteed for injury. They could elect his option, but then cut him at no cost after next year if he hasn't "blossomed" by then. But of course there is a risk of him having a serious injury and getting stuck with him at a very high salary for 2017. That's the situation the Redskins face with RGIII --- he has been inactive all season because they want to be able to cut him after the season.
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Well-- he won't cost nearly as much to cut as RG III IF The Redskins cut RGIII in 2016 it cost them $16,155,000! OUCH.

Jones cap number in 2016 is $2,769,933. The cap in 2016 is roughly $145,527,485. Jones doesn't even count for 2% of our total cap space. We almost spent as much on Scobee!

I'd part ways with Jones after 2016 or try to trade him for something before the 2016 draft. I'd take a 6th round pick for Jones after the season.
 
Chickollo is no more than a special teamer at this point and may never be more...

Jarvis is going to play and while he's not always great, he hasn't played all that bad.
 
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maybe because he got over a dozen snaps and did less than Jarvis.
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Do you have the snaps counts on defense? I would wager if Chcikillo started 7 games, he ends up with more than 9 tackles which is what Jones gave the Steelers.
 
trend I believe I've noticed is using Deebo more down inside the red zone on defense and a little less between the 20s.
makes sense, considering it would lessen the wear and tear on him.
 
SteelerAl said:
Jarvis has been doing a nice job of setting the edge in the run game all season long. Although Coach doesn't care about that --- he's so simple minded that he only cares about tackle stats.
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Al,

Outside of Blake, Jones is the weakest start on the defense.

Try this hat on for size. Jones has missed 10 tackles for the season not counting the last game where I do not have the data.

In the last 7 games he made but 9 tackles, and some were assisted. But oh, he's all right setting the edge.
 
Sometimes just doing your job is not reflected in stats
 
Because I don't know....can someone educate me? I was under the impression that the DL's in a 3-4 are the ones who handle the contain on the runs with the NT handling the "A" gaps and Harrison/Jones are the OLB "Buck/Jack" LBs who are to provide the QB pressure and quick run pursuit with emphasis on blitz/pressure. It's that piece where he's failing...you're not looking for a Buck LB who can't get pressure, you can buy them off the street.
 
I don't think Jarvis' production is any worse than Moats or Dupree. Frankly if you take away 3 sacks against the Colts (against a team in pass-only mode with a backup OT), Harrison isn't producing either.
 
awboatguy said:
As of today Bud has supplanted Moats at LOLB. http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...rookie-bud-dupree-now-the-official-starter-at

Wonder how ole JJ feels about that? Probably doesn't care since he is pretty safe at the ROLB
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Actually Bud began starting over Moats a couple games ago. Another reason to NEVER, EVER look at the stupid depth chart --- it's a joke. Being only a couple weeks behind the times is actually an improvement for the depth chart.

And why does anyone give a **** about who is the starter at OLB? The 4 guys have been splitting snaps fairly evenly all season long --- it simply does not matter who is labeled the starter.
 
I actually think JJ has been decent of late. Has he been dominating? No. I get it Coach that you didn't like him getting picked in the first round. If you get that out of your brain and just evaluate the play, he hasn't been that bad. I don't think people would be calling for his benching had he been a 3rd or 4th round pick. It's not like JJ is blowing assignments. He's been keeping contain on the run game. As far as I can tell, he's doing his job. We probably have very high standards for the position given team history. Understandable that Jarvis may not hit that level, but right now I don't think there is anyone on the roster able to consistently do that. So calling for his benching in the midst of a playoff run, calling for the play of a late round rookie is just crazy at this point of the season. It's not time to experiment unless there is a giant deficiency.
 
No. He's continuing to grow as a football player. Not being injured this year helps, splitting reps with James Harrison does not. Hopefully he advances his game over time and evolves into what we expect into a ROLB in this defense.
 
Jones should have been benched after his rookie season but realistically we don't have anyone else other than 37 year old Deebo.
 
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