Realizing that Ben has about three to five good years left, is there any cap relief coming in the future. I find it ridiculous that the front office has a no name defense without any real stars and the a wr corp with one big name (at a more then fair price) and we are continually up against the cap. I think the league really f'd things up with the new bargaining agreement. They king made Seattle who despite being in the Super Bowl the last two years will be a major player in FA. And to top things off we have two dead money contracts from two of the three "good" FA signings from last year. Not good.
Is Cap relief on the horizon?
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This year the Steelers have 7 million in cap space. So enough to sign the rookies and maybe sign 1-2 hole fillers. If they dump TP, Keisel, and Thomas there will be more. Next year they have 63 million in cap room once a bunch of bad decisions fall off the books. I guess what I am saying is we are in a much better position to re-sign and maybe sign players in the next two years so lets pull off the band aid and get younger now so we can see who is worth re-signing.
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SteelerSask,
I recommend using this website.
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/pittsburgh-steelers/
No, I do not see cap relief for at least two more years. Ben needs to be re-signed. His cap number will go to 20 or more million a year! Beachum is a free agent soon. Our problem is many of our high cap priced players really aren't playing to their numbers. We are stuck in the Allen and Mitchell deals.
2015 cap numbers based on this web site.
Timmons. 12.5 million. Timmons is very good, but not great. We over paid.
Pouncey 8.1 Million. A tad high for a center. He's not a tackle, and the Steelers have shown they can win games without him.
Troy. 8.2 million. Will be cut. Steelers save 3.75 Million
Cortez Allen. 6.9 Million. He's on the bench. We took this deal in the shorts.
Miller 5.6 million. He's on the decline. A tad over paid.
Suisham. 3.6 Million a year for a kicker??? At least 1 Million too high.
I think Ben, Brown, and Heyward are worth their deals.
I recommend using this website.
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/pittsburgh-steelers/
No, I do not see cap relief for at least two more years. Ben needs to be re-signed. His cap number will go to 20 or more million a year! Beachum is a free agent soon. Our problem is many of our high cap priced players really aren't playing to their numbers. We are stuck in the Allen and Mitchell deals.
2015 cap numbers based on this web site.
Timmons. 12.5 million. Timmons is very good, but not great. We over paid.
Pouncey 8.1 Million. A tad high for a center. He's not a tackle, and the Steelers have shown they can win games without him.
Troy. 8.2 million. Will be cut. Steelers save 3.75 Million
Cortez Allen. 6.9 Million. He's on the bench. We took this deal in the shorts.
Miller 5.6 million. He's on the decline. A tad over paid.
Suisham. 3.6 Million a year for a kicker??? At least 1 Million too high.
I think Ben, Brown, and Heyward are worth their deals.
Wow, according to that site we'd save another $18.5 mil by cutting Troy, Heath, Timmons, and Cam Thomas post June 1st. The players should be lucky I'm not the GM because if I were cleaning house and rebuilding I'd start there. Kick the kicker too and that's $20 mil.
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You'd get rid of Heath and Timmons?
We already have holes to fill.
We already have holes to fill.
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I am OK with over paying slightly for players who have been with the team AND still have something to give
Pouncey is an all-pro Center, that is the market for that caliber of player.
Timmons has consistently improved his production for the past 5 year. And 28 isn't that old for an ILB. He still has some great years in the tank so no problem overpaying a tad.
I agree with you with respect to the other players.
Well although Heath has been great in pass protection and run blocking, he's just not getting thrown to as much anymore, maybe because of slowing down with age. But he's the one player I mentioned I wouldn't be a quick as the others to release. But as far as Timmons, we already just drafted Shazier, I guess it would be how much of a drop off in talent between Vince Williams and Spence. But imo not a huge drop off considering the price difference.
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So which is it. Ford has us 60 million under next year. Even with Ben's extension (maybe an extra 6-7 million even 10) and Beechum say 6, there is a long way to 60 million.
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Respect your opinion regarding Heath and Timmons but no way would I make that move. Heath's TD's were down last year but one of his better one's regarding receptions and yards. Not to mention we have nothing behind him. I think Timmons is one of our better players on defense and would have to save a lot before I'd be willing to cut him loose.
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if the team cuts Timmons it will be next season, with Shazier with a full season under his belt.
If you cut Timmons this season you only save 4 millions but if you do it next season you save the double.
If you cut Timmons this season you only save 4 millions but if you do it next season you save the double.
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I'm sorry, but I do not agree with dumping Heath. With a 5.6M cap hit, he stays.
Until someone really steps up, Timmons isn't going anywhere either.
Besides, They have a few more bad decisions yet to be made, we will eat up all that cap room.
Until someone really steps up, Timmons isn't going anywhere either.
Besides, They have a few more bad decisions yet to be made, we will eat up all that cap room.
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Did't Heath have one of his best statistical seasons this past year?
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Ok I get what your saying but let's not forget that you would cut them but you wouldn't get relief until June 1 and by that time 20 mil won't buy you too much cause all the good free agents will be long gone and you would be sitting there with a hell of a lot more holes to fill then you have now.......
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The number you look at isn't just the cap number it's also salary.
Heath is making $4 million this year. That's all you can "save".
That's for a starting TE that plays 95%+ of all your offensive snaps and knows your system inside and out and knows your quarterback like the back of his hand. Tell my how you replace that for less than $4 million? Where are the savings AFTER you get another TE on the roster? Money's great but you still need to put a team together. You still need to pay 53 guys.
Miami just tagged their TE for $7 million. He was targeted 85 times, had 58 catches and 600 yards and 3 TD's.
We targets Miller 91 times, 66 catches and 761 yards and 3 TD's.
How is that overpaid exactly? $4 million? Really?
Heath is making $4 million this year. That's all you can "save".
That's for a starting TE that plays 95%+ of all your offensive snaps and knows your system inside and out and knows your quarterback like the back of his hand. Tell my how you replace that for less than $4 million? Where are the savings AFTER you get another TE on the roster? Money's great but you still need to put a team together. You still need to pay 53 guys.
Miami just tagged their TE for $7 million. He was targeted 85 times, had 58 catches and 600 yards and 3 TD's.
We targets Miller 91 times, 66 catches and 761 yards and 3 TD's.
How is that overpaid exactly? $4 million? Really?
It's 60-66m million under(depending on Troy), but you only have 26 salaries. Automatically adding 25ish minsal's would then put you 48-54Million under, then once you account for a 1/2/3 this year, it takes you down to 45-51 with displacement(on next years cap). Decastro's 5th year option is probably in the 7-8m range, so you're at 38-44 There's a bunch of other moves that have to be made, including extending Ben(20-25M hit), Hayward(7m+ hit), perhaps Timmons. Accounting of that stuff puts you in the 10-20m range for next year, and we still haven't signed any free agents this year. It's going to end up being tight next offseason but not as tight as this year.
Yah, lets dump Timmons, a PROBOWLER in his prime. Our being in cap trouble is way overstated. Fact is we ARE competitive almost every year, with our down years lately being 8-8. We dont have 8 kajillion dollars in cap space every year because we have a consistent philosophy and rarely deviate from it: dont over pay your free-agents, build through the draft. When we get a championship caliber team together, yes, perhaps we keep them a bit longer than we should. That doesnt bother me, id rather get every last play we can out of the Smiths, Hamptons, Troys and Deebos that we can, rather than let them go too early like we id Rod Woodson.
These teams with huge amount of money in free agency (i.e. raiders, eagles etc) are constantly dumping their teams and starting over. Where does that leave them: maybe competitive for a year or two and then the price tag comes due and/or the players they broke the bank on are complete flops (cough, woodley, cough, cough), then they are 4 win teams again trying dump everyone to start over, yet again. Look, i disagree with some of our moves occasionaly too, but look at the big picture over a period of decades. Our system works.
These teams with huge amount of money in free agency (i.e. raiders, eagles etc) are constantly dumping their teams and starting over. Where does that leave them: maybe competitive for a year or two and then the price tag comes due and/or the players they broke the bank on are complete flops (cough, woodley, cough, cough), then they are 4 win teams again trying dump everyone to start over, yet again. Look, i disagree with some of our moves occasionaly too, but look at the big picture over a period of decades. Our system works.
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I'm not as big a fan of Timmons as most of you are. Sure he finally made the Pro Bowl, but really was the defense even good last year? Was his play even that great? I'll say no. Sure he had a lot of tackles but how many were close to the line of scrimmage? Not many. Most of the tackles he get are chase tackles. Everyone has a opinion but mine is he's over rated.
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He is not over rated on this site.....well that is ever since he was drafted he hasn't been.
If Timmons isn't good on a bad defense, imagine how ******* bad it would be without him...
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There was an article somewhere during the season that talked a bit about Timmons ' season. Mentioned that, with the Shazier injury he had to play buck some plays when Spence was in, then switch to Mack when Williams came in.
If you think Timmons is overrated on this board, you ain't been reading long.
I doubt you will find anyone on here who disagrees that he is overpaid, but he has oft been disparaged as "average-at-best".
I couldn't tell you how many times I've heard the comments about how many of his tackles were close to the line of scrimmage. Even if true (and I showed it wasn't when someone complained about it for one game), what would it prove? Was he in coverage and made the tackle 7 yards down the field when everyone else missed it? Why would that be an indication of anything?