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I'm Nervous About This Draft

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This draft really worries me. There are a lot of good OLB prospects. That should be great news since the steelers need them so badly, but it could also see the steelers miss out on them. How?

We know how they constantly talk about best player available. My fear is that they still believe in Jarvis, and they feel that Moats can do an acceptable job at LOLB while a rookie develops. If that is the mindset, then if the top guys are gone, the steelers may go elsewhere in RD 1 under the assumption that pass rusher is deep.

Here's my nightmare scenario. Ray, Fowler, Beasley, are gone. STeelers remove Gregory from the board. They view Odighizuwa as a 3-4 DE. They see Harold on the same level as Dupree, Preston Smith, and Mauldin. They decide they shold wait until Rd 2 for pass rusher and they take CB Johnson from Wake Forest.

Then by RD 2, OLB is cleaned out so they wait again. They take a WR but the top WRs get cleaned out as well so they get a guy like Funchess in Rd 2. On to RD 3 and again, they guys they like are gone so they want to wait until Rd 4 for the pass rusher and they take a TE or RB in RD 3.

Now it's Rd 4 and you are hoping a guy like Golden from Missouri or is still available. They finally get the pass rusher at the correct "value" according to the board.

On paper, it looks great. You got a CB, WR, TE, and pass rusher in your top 4 picks. All needs and you got value.

In reality, what you may have is
CB who is just a nickel back
WR who is pretty good but not better than Wheaton or Bryant
TE who is decent but still sits behind Miller or RB who is a backup by design to Bell.
Pass Rusher who just replaces mediocre Worilds as a guy who needs the scheme to get him sacks.

This has been the steelers problem over the last few years. They are drafting good players, but few great ones.

Pass Rush needs a stud who can get sacks by defeating blocks, not another Worilds who needs a free run.

Secondary needs a CB who can make plays on the ball. They have Cortez and Gay who are OK but not playmakers.


This needs to be an aggressive draft if they see that it is not falling in their favor. If they trade away half their picks to move up and draft just 4 players, then i'm fine with that so long as those 4 guys are a real pass rusher, a starting CB, a WR who is good enough to be the #3 WR this year if one of the top 3 is injured, and a TE who can replace Heath in a year.

The steelers are often too inflexible with their board and their concept of getting value. They are content to wait for players to fall to them and some years they get shut out on positions of need. That's a fine strategy, so long as you don't get shut out of those positions for years in a row as the steelers have at pass rusher and CB.

The Steelers are usually in the position where the draft is an opportunity to IMPROVE various positions. Meaning, they have at least an average starter at all positions, so missing on a position is no big deal.

This team has actual holes. Meaning, you may need to hit on multiple picks at the same position just to fill that hole. Jarvis might be a total bust, so they may need 2 pass rusher, not 1. Cortez may never step up, so you need 2 starting CBs.

There is also a time element to this draft. The clock is ticking on Ben now. The Super Bowl window may slam shut as soon as Ben starts to decline. These holes need to be filled now, not 3 years from now.
 
I agree. THis draft really needs to be well above average if this team is to improve thier chances as a playoff contender.

AS I look at this team right now it is on the decline.
 
I agree. THis draft really needs to be well above average if this team is to improve thier chances as a playoff contender.

AS I look at this team right now it is on the decline.

That's ridiculous. The entire offense is young and moving towards their prime. Ben put up his best career numbers. The defense needs a better pass rush and they're super bowl contenders. Christ they probably would've went to the AFC Championship game last year had Bell not been hurt.
 
That's ridiculous. The entire offense is young and moving towards their prime. Ben put up his best career numbers. The defense needs a better pass rush and they're super bowl contenders. Christ they probably would've went to the AFC Championship game last year had Bell not been hurt.

Depends on what career numbers you find interesting. Yards don't win games points do. This team has not won a playoff game for a number of years. The steelers played a very easy schedule last year and were beat by new orleans. Ben is closer to the end than the beginning of his career. We have no idea for sure how many good years he has left, last year could have been his best ever and everything from now on could be worse and a continual decline.

It is not realistic to think he has lots of those types of seasons left. The clock is ticking and the window will not be open long we could be on the way to the 80s again.
 
Brady and Manning are still full steam ahead.. Ben is a competitor, I don't think his decline starts just yet.

For me the strengths of this draft falls on the Steelers biggest needs. I think as long as they target a pass rusher and corner early, depth concerns will be addressed. Throw in a S a WR and double up at CB and or OLBer even sweeter........
 
We've been saying on this board "this draft is super important" every year since I've been here.

They are all the same importance.
 
Nice post tape, but I don"t agree with this:

They view Odighizuwa as a 3-4 DE.

Not if you look at his sparq scores, not of you look at his 40 time, not if you consider their experience with DE-to-LB conversions over the years. I think Diggy has all the traits - even moreso - than previous DL-to-LB guys like Woodley for instance. Sure he is big and strong and has heavy hands, all of which you want from your LOLB, but DIggy can also move in space. All told, I think he's a perfect fit to play linebacker in our system. Maybe they learned their lesson drafting a college LB in Jones and want to get back to the formula that is tried and tested over the years.
 
IMO, if we have a chance to draft Mauldin in the 3rd and pass on him for some no-name slow-assed TE with small hands from a small school who can't block....
 
I think this draft will determine the fate of our defense for the next 3 years. Major holes at CB, and OLB need to be addresses. Colbert and Tomlin need a very good to great draft. If we pick these areas in rounds one and two and come out with a Ziggy Hood and Bryant MacFadden it will take at least 1-2 more years before we pick another CB and OLB high.

In addition players like Heyward, Gay and McClendon will be free agents in 2015.
 
Heyward is a must-sign
Gay won't command a huge contract. Neither will McClendon.
 
I think you are right that, in rounds 1 and 2, the value-for-need might not be there. I think, in round 3, we will have some people of value to choose from to fill the CB/OLB positions.
 
This draft really worries me. There are a lot of good OLB prospects. That should be great news since the steelers need them so badly, but it could also see the steelers miss out on them. How?

Of course you're nervous -- as a whole, most "experts" (use the term loosely) consider it a weak one at the top of the draft. I bet this is going to be one of those drafts that will be considered one of the weaker ones -- not just for us but for everyone.

I dont like being at 22, the draft history at our position sucks --- I would love to pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd for it.
 
I dont like being at 22, the draft history at our position sucks --- I would love to pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd for it.
Amen to that, hope it goes down that way. Most of the guys I'd love to get are in the 2-4 round range...
 
I dont like being at 22, the draft history at our position sucks --- I would love to pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd for it.

Amen to that, hope it goes down that way. Most of the guys I'd love to get are in the 2-4 round range...

I would not be opposed to dropping out of the first round all together if they can find a trade partner willing to give up an early 2nd and 3rd. You could pick up an OLB and CB with your 2nd and then double up at one of the positions and address other needs with the two 3rd round picks. And the value would be good for where you're picking.
 
I'll eat my hat if we take Funchess in round 2. Why would we reach to take a WR in round 2? It's more likely we double-dip at CB. I only see us going WR early if the value is just too good to pass up.

Perhaps Colbert needs to be aggressive in taking up in round 2? That's how we got Kendrell Bell, IIRC.
 
We can worry about what might happen for another 9 days or so. Then, we can see what happens and really worry or hopefully, not. They need to get an A or B+ grade in this draft, at a minimum.
 
I would not be opposed to dropping out of the first round all together if they can find a trade partner willing to give up an early 2nd and 3rd. You could pick up an OLB and CB with your 2nd and then double up at one of the positions and address other needs with the two 3rd round picks. And the value would be good for where you're picking.

I've seen several mocks with TB taking an OL with the second pick in round 2. If they could jump up to 1.22, they could get a better OL. I doubt that could happen and I don't know what else we could get, but I wouldn't be opposed to dropping down to there from 1.22. I think we could get a good pick with that pick in round 2 and still have our other round 2 pick.
 
I agree w you tape. I think they need to draft a 'special' player (or at least a potentially special player) at #22. Given your scenario, we may end up w a WR at #22. Now, if that player is a 'special' player like DGB, Parker or Strong (potentially special), I might see the value in it. I would personally rather trade back and get an extra pick at tier 2 but I doubt this FO goes that way.

I would be happy w Diggy, Kikhaha or Mauldin sometime after the 1st pick. Diggy w trade back pick, Kikhaha w our 2nd or Mauldin w our 3rd. I don't think Mauldin will make it that far but it is a possibility. The alternates to top tier CB aren't that far off, IMO. If we got a 'special' OLB or WR w our first, I could see a CB like Carter, Jones, Rowe or Rollins in #2. There are 'slot' guys to be had through the 3rd round (maybe deeper) too.

A TE and RB for sure could be had in round #4 so that gives us another shot in round 3 for whichever CB or OLB is best value when that pick comes up.

I have a feeling this draft is NOT going to match well with the Mocks that are out there. I just don't see too many 'sure things' at any position which will mean there will be some surprises (ala Travis Frederick, worked out good for Dallas) in round #1. Guys like Diggy could go as high as #15, IMO, while guys like Fowler and Gregory could fall to late #1 or early #2.

At any time, we could see a 'run' on a position (as often happens) which will cause teams to panic and players to fall out of their projected spots. I just hope we get lucky.

I trust the FO to find a WR wi a later pick and possibly a OL (now that we have Munch). I don't trust them w OLB or CB as much BUT they could surprise w Butler's input now as he was a LB himself. He also isn't known a one of the coaches speaking the praises of underperformers who were drafted high (Woodley and Jones). I think we will take a 'high motor' guy before we take another Jones type. JMO
 
Based on this > http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php the going rate for pick #22 looks to be a 2nd and a 3rd round pick.

According to that chart, pick #22 is roughly equivalent to pick #37 plus pick #69. I really doubt Colbert would move back 15 picks just to pick up an early 3rd round pick. Just doesn't seem like him. He always says that he doesn't want to trade down into an unknown (i.e. you have no idea what will be left at pick #37). He believes that if you are sitting at #22 and have 5 guys you like, then it's OK to drop down 5 spots. And of course he has only traded down (in round 1) once, going back 3 spots before taking Casey Hampton.
 
According to that chart, pick #22 is roughly equivalent to pick #37 plus pick #69. I really doubt Colbert would move back 15 picks just to pick up an early 3rd round pick. Just doesn't seem like him. He always says that he doesn't want to trade down into an unknown (i.e. you have no idea what will be left at pick #37). He believes that if you are sitting at #22 and have 5 guys you like, then it's OK to drop down 5 spots. And of course he has only traded down (in round 1) once, going back 3 spots before taking Casey Hampton.

And that wasn't even him. Before his time here. But point taken. He doesn't seem to be a fan of trading back for picks. This could be the draft to change his mind,IMO.
 
And that wasn't even him. Before his time here. But point taken. He doesn't seem to be a fan of trading back for picks. This could be the draft to change his mind,IMO.

No, it was Colbert who drafted Casey Hampton in 2001. Colbert's first draft was 2000 (taking Plaxico in round 1).
 
I would maybe trade down with Dallas if the draft is unfolding poorly for us and take their 3rd rounder. Who knows...Peters, Johnson, Owa, or Harold could all be there at Dallas's rd 1 pick. If the top tier pass rushers are all gone I would love to trade down and get Peters at the Dallas pick, and get their 3rd rounder.

Pass rush is my #1 priority, cb is #2. Ideally I would take Dupree, the PJ Williams in rd 2. If we landed that I would be very happy. I think Williams could be there at our #2 pick, if not maybe we go with Darby. I'm more worried about a premier pass rusher falling to us at 1.22.
 
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I think with the Tombert show, fans have a legitimate right to be nervous. Unless they suddenly develop a stroke of genius, I'm not optimistic about this draft. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised but I don't see our defense getting any better with this draft.
 
No, it was Colbert who drafted Casey Hampton in 2001. Colbert's first draft was 2000 (taking Plaxico in round 1).

My bad bro. For some reason...I didn't want to give Colbert credit for doing something reasonable in round #1. I mis-remembered...age is getting to me.
 
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