If you enjoy the veneer of contending

[SteelerSask2]

Then by all means Mike Tomlin is the man. He will always field a pretty good team. And there is something to be said for that. You look at the Bengals. All those years with Marvin Lewis, you knew they could never really win anything substantial. Now he is gone and they are totally over the cliff. But I would strongly make an argument that is still healthier than this ****. If the Steelers dumped Tomlin tomorrow there most likely be lean years ahead. Maybe even a carousel of some coaches until the right guy emerges. But here is the thing. It will happen inevitably anyhow. It will. Time stops for no one. Eventually it will become clear to everyone or at least the clear majority that when the talent is reasonably close this guy cannot win. And then you will be at the same point anyhow. There simply is no way that with the people he puts in place. Without a Lebeau in his prime. There just is no chance whatsoever you could win a championship with Tomlin. So if you enjoy the veneer of contending, great enjoy.

 

[slashsteel]

Some fans it is enough to have winning seasons. That is their feeling I won't fault them for their likes.


Not enough for me as that is well documented and dead horse talked over.

Reality is we know they won't replace the man this year.

But next year regardless if Big Ben is back or not we need to make the playoffs, and if we don't he is 100% a let go for me.

They have an offseason to fix whatever QB problem they have. Replace Ben or bring in a competent QB. There is some attractive options available. You keep Rudy and have three rostered. As I am assuming Ben will be back.

I will expect a better offseason as the last two have been notably flawed.

With the lack of a number 1 they will need to restructure and free up money for their own plus a few free agents. Bringing in a Foster replacement and a vet QB will be high priorities as well as resigning Dupree. And with a little luck Hargrave. If Hargrave cost us Tuitt I could live with it. Tuitt can't help us if he is always injured. Ditto Conner. They know what players are prone to injury, it is up to them to adequately upgrade those areas as well as the giving Decastro another G capable of pulling and opening up holes in the run game as well as being pass block capable. At QB I am thinking a Dalton or a Tannyhill type of signing if Ben is returning. It doesn't have to be either of those two QBs but they both came from ****** teams and going to a better team can help revive a career. So a QB somewhere with that frame of mind. The WR and O-line coach needs replaced. Especially the WR coach. So if they are bringing in a RB and QB and or a G. I think they could simply add a WR in the draft. Ditto RB. I prefer the G and QB come from free agency .

So signing their own plus two free agents and two skilled positions high in the draft. All dobable.


Hopefully the fans are grading Tombert on the offseason too, because it is critical to the teams success.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Then by all means Mike Tomlin is the man. He will always field a pretty good team. And there is something to be said for that. You look at the Bengals. All those years with Marvin Lewis, you knew they could never really win anything substantial. Now he is gone and they are totally over the cliff. But I would strongly make an argument that is still healthier than this ****. If the Steelers dumped Tomlin tomorrow there most likely be lean years ahead. Maybe even a carousel of some coaches until the right guy emerges. But here is the thing. It will happen inevitably anyhow. It will. Time stops for no one. Eventually it will become clear to everyone or at least the clear majority that when the talent is reasonably close this guy cannot win. And then you will be at the same point anyhow. There simply is no way that with the people he puts in place. Without a Lebeau in his prime. There just is no chance whatsoever you could win a championship with Tomlin. So if you enjoy the veneer of contending, great enjoy.

I respectfully disagree. I think Tomlin can win another one. I think he has as good a chance as anyone else out there coaching(that isn't cheating) as long as he is coaching the Steelers. I am one of those that while not thrilled with just decent seasons would also not want the negative alternative and never be a competing team except for a rare run here and there. I see what bad ownership and decisions can do being here in Cincy and it colors my view of what we have for better or worse.

 

[Badcat]

Sorry SteelerInLebanon, Mike has had his number of insanely talented teams since his SuperBowl, and he just couldn't muster up a playoff win, or berth for that matter, since. Yesterday was yet another instance where Mikey's team played down to the competition's level and got beat by another ****** team WITH PLAYOFF CONTENTION on the line. How does a team lay an egg with stakes that high? Mike Tomlin is not a man who can lead men.

 

[Steelr4evr]

We suck at beating bad teams when we need it. We go in decent little spurts then crash and burn. Rinse&repeat over 10 years. The Standard of ho hum.

How many seasons of excuses do we have to endure? It's been pretty much 10+ years of the same. Even with a loaded up offense they still failed mightily. The defense couldn't stop an angry girl scout troop or we looked completely unprepared...A truckload of games in this department for your viewing pleasure. We've been spanked by the likes of Tim Tebow(the start of the big decline) and Blaine Gabbard&the jagoffs score 45 to our 42....

Now we just collapse late which is the new ****** trend.

Over it.

 

[str8liner]

Pretty much everything I have been feeling and thinking the last 10 years summed up in everyones posts.

Slow starts to seasons, lack of gametime adjustments, poor use of clock and challenges, off the field player issues, on the field issues, you can go on and on.

But hey the players LOVE playing for coach T.....

 

[mdk2]

Pretty much everything I have been feeling and thinking the last 10 years summed up in everyones posts.

Slow starts to seasons, lack of gametime adjustments, poor use of clock and challenges, off the field player issues, on the field issues, you can go on and on.

But hey the players LOVE playing for coach T.....

He's a good buddy more than a HC.

 

[FSF]

Then by all means Mike Tomlin is the man. He will always field a pretty good team. And there is something to be said for that. You look at the Bengals. All those years with Marvin Lewis, you knew they could never really win anything substantial. Now he is gone and they are totally over the cliff. But I would strongly make an argument that is still healthier than this ****. If the Steelers dumped Tomlin tomorrow there most likely be lean years ahead. Maybe even a carousel of some coaches until the right guy emerges. But here is the thing. It will happen inevitably anyhow. It will. Time stops for no one. Eventually it will become clear to everyone or at least the clear majority that when the talent is reasonably close this guy cannot win. And then you will be at the same point anyhow. There simply is no way that with the people he puts in place. Without a Lebeau in his prime. There just is no chance whatsoever you could win a championship with Tomlin. So if you enjoy the veneer of contending, great enjoy.

This is tiresome.

Probably weren’t alive during 1980s—this was ludicrously similar to the Malone/Ambercrombie & Pollard, Bubby / Worley & Hoge combos that routinely came up short of 10 win seasons.

And we’ll never know the extent of the disfunction of 2013-2018 locker rooms — but it’s obvious they didn’t care as much about winning like previous generations.

While nothing less than Super Bowl ultimately matters; I’ll take contending for real vs. bottom feeders any day


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[SteelerSask2]

I respectfully disagree. I think Tomlin can win another one. I think he has as good a chance as anyone else out there coaching(that isn't cheating) as long as he is coaching the Steelers. I am one of those that while not thrilled with just decent seasons would also not want the negative alternative and never be a competing team except for a rare run here and there. I see what bad ownership and decisions can do being here in Cincy and it colors my view of what we have for better or worse.

The only way that could possibly happen in my mind would be if he got excellent X/O people at the coordinator positions and a very strong cast of position coaches and just let them do their job. He would focus on those things that he does well. (I'm not going to over reach and say he doesn't do anything well, the guy has won a lot). The question Lebenon is that can you possibly ever see that happen. I would say the best example of what I'm talking about was the win against Cleveland. The players made a big deal of Tomlin grabbing the whiteboard and putting in the defense that stopped what the Clowns were trying to do. They even said it was like high school. REALLY. That is something abnormal. And that was Freddie ****** Kichens. You think Belichik is writing down his grocery list on the sidelines there.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

I still think Tomlin is at least an above average head coach. What does bother me is that he is incapable of hiring assistants with any abilities whats so ever.
Other than Munchak, and the blind pig applies here, name one.

If I were Art II, this would be my discussion with him.

 

[steelhurt]

I will keep saying it that we will never win another SB with Tomlin.
We’ve all been over his shortcomings many times but it never improves.
He was out coached by Adam ******* Gase for Pete’s sake.
Unless Art II can see through this I’m afraid we’re doomed with mediocrity and worse especially when we don’t have Ben.



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[SteelerSask2]

This is tiresome.

Probably weren’t alive during 1980s—this was ludicrously similar to the Malone/Ambercrombie & Pollard, Bubby / Worley & Hoge combos that routinely came up short of 10 win seasons.

And we’ll never know the extent of the disfunction of 2013-2018 locker rooms — but it’s obvious they didn’t care as much about winning like previous generations.

While nothing less than Super Bowl ultimately matters; I’ll take contending for real vs. bottom feeders any day


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I'm 48. I watched pretty much it all being realistic about cable in the 80's. Who was responsible for culling the dysfunction in that locker room??? Contending for real? **** you are blind. They had every possible piece in place for about 2-3 seasons and got jack ****. The only way this guy can fix something is by adding better players. A good coach wouldn't have needed to trade a first round pick for Fitzpatrick. A good coach would have schemed the minor problem of one ****** hole in the defense with all the high quality players he had. Now you have an aging oline, aging QB, a few upcoming decent weapons. What are they going to draft 7 straight offensive players now? First off if the Redskins actually made a serious offer for Tomlin, you would have to be the village idiot to say no. If no one makes an offer, I'm not stupid. I realize he will just be finishing off Ben's career. ****** the whole thing away in my opinion. But for Gawd's sake do we really have to rebuild with him? I'm sorry, he does not possess the football chops and I don't care who you are. Noll, Landry, Shula. Eventually your message gets old. He needs a new group to build his weak *** philosophies around. Go to a new town. He;s worn out his welcome in Pittsburgh.

 

[SteelerFan448]

The Steelers will have the second best regular season record behind the Patriots over the past decade and that resulted in 6 playoff appearances, 2 AFC Championship game appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance.

 

[SteelerSask2]

The Steelers will have the second best regular season record behind the Patriots over the past decade and that resulted in 6 playoff appearances, 2 AFC Championship game appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance.

And two completely squandered seasons. The loss to Jacksonville was so far beyond stupid. You had a road grading oline, weapons everywhere and a franchise QB. Sure some defensive issues, but you were playing a team with a QB who was done in another two years. Its all a veneer of contending created by the QB. Once the QB is done, which could possibly be now, you watch what happens.