• Please be aware we've switched the forums to their own URL. (again) You'll find the new website address to be www.steelernationforum.com Thanks
  • Please clear your private messages. Your inbox is close to being full.

If he's released...

This article completely shows how much of an outlier Jones was and why he never should have been drafted as high as he was. His spider chart showed he was only in the 14th percentile of OLBs as it pertains to combine measurables. He should have been a 3rd-4th rounder at best. Compare his spider chart to Bud Dupree. BTW...Colbert's answer to why they where happy to draft him is laughable now looking back.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...how-football-analytics-can-hack-the-nfl-draft

e9665799ca9206a68e9dac2a91738854_original.png


Dupree.focus-none.width-800.PNG
 
He's going to play out his contract and become UFA. Is he a bust? I would say no, he's not a bust. He's just not what we expected from him.
 
wig said:
Jarvis Jones will officially be the Steelers Biggest 1st round bust ever.
Click to expand...

Not. Even. Close.

Huey Richardson, Tom Ricketts, John Reinstra and Gabe Rivera to name a few bigger busts.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
This article completely shows how much of an outlier Jones was and why he never should have been drafted as high as he was. His spider chart showed he was only in the 14th percentile of OLBs as it pertains to combine measurables. He should have been a 3rd-4th rounder at best. Compare his spider chart to Bud Dupree. BTW...Colbert's answer to why they where happy to draft him is laughable now looking back.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...how-football-analytics-can-hack-the-nfl-draft

e9665799ca9206a68e9dac2a91738854_original.png


Dupree.focus-none.width-800.PNG
Click to expand...

Not arguing which one is better, but I would like to see a true apple to apples comparison between the 2. To say Jarvis scored a 7 on his 40 and Dupree a 99, that is an enormous difference and I would like to see an explanation for the scoring to know that you are really comparing apples to apples. Also, Jarvis had 10 metrics to review while Dupree was only measured by 8...also makes a difference.
 
Good lesson to be had here. Where we draft usually (bottom half to third) you get college production, tangible or college production and tangible but injuries. If you have to pick between college production and tangible you'd better take tangibles.
 
Troglodyte said:
Not. Even. Close.

Huey Richardson, Tom Ricketts, John Reinstra and Gabe Rivera to name a few bigger busts.
Click to expand...

Jarmain Stephens says hi
 
SteelerSask said:
He is a bust. Not even close to the worst. If you make it through your contract you can't be the worst. I'd put him on the Chad Scott, Ziggy Hood level. If he was a second or third round pick he wouldn't look that bad.
Click to expand...

Exactly, if he was taken in the 3rd or 4th round, we're not bitching (as much). I think it's fair to ***** about his performance when he was a 1st rounder and we expect better.
We've had worse draft busts than Jarvis. At least he's a barely serviceable player. I don't think that anyone picked after the 3rd round can be a bust because you're not expecting as much.
 
SteelCurtain78 said:
Not arguing which one is better, but I would like to see a true apple to apples comparison between the 2. To say Jarvis scored a 7 on his 40 and Dupree a 99, that is an enormous difference and I would like to see an explanation for the scoring to know that you are really comparing apples to apples. Also, Jarvis had 10 metrics to review while Dupree was only measured by 8...also makes a difference.
Click to expand...

That website compares with the others in that draft class. Notice it says percentile vs other OLB for Jarvis. That means that compared to all the other OLBs in the 2013 draft, Jarvis was in the 7th percentile, which is horrible.

Dupree was compared to DEs in this example. On Mockdraftables, you could have also compared Dupree to OLBs and his graph would have looked different.

The difference in # of metrics is just how many "events" each completed at the combine or a pro day.


The graph shows how truly awful Jarvis tested. 40 can be overrated for pass rushers. They work in a short area. If Jarvis had a great 20, or 3 cone, it would negate his bad 40 because it would show that he is quick. These numbers show he's not very athletic. He's stiff. His vertical is low as well.
 
Troy Edwards would be a pro bowler in today's NFL. He was OK but his problem was he couldn't get open against DBs who were allowed to grab him. He'd be like Emmanuel Sanders or Edelman if he played today.
 
I still think Rivera was the worst pick. Could have had Marino and he never played a down. Sad that it was due to a car accident, but in hindsight, it was a terrible move.
 
slashsteel said:
Jarmain Stephens says hi
Click to expand...

He wasn't as big a bust as the others I mentioned.

BTW, for those of you not following WPIAL football, Jermain Stephens has a son who plays for Central Catholic by the same name. His son has about 50lbs on him.
 
Troglodyte said:
He wasn't as big a bust as the others I mentioned.

BTW, for those of you not following WPIAL football, Jermain Stephens has a son who plays for Central Catholic by the same name. His son has about 50lbs on him.
Click to expand...

Didn't know that. I heard that Tomlin and Porter's kids play for Central Catholic also.
Back to OP, the Steelers won't release Jones but they will simply not give him another contract and let him walk. I hope he got his degree in a marketable skill and banked his money because I don't think football is in his future.
 
Last edited:
FordFairLane said:
Jarvis probably maxed out this year. To be 100% honest I think he'd be better off as a Sam backer in a 43. He gets matched up too often on OT's who just man handle him. He'd be better off being matched on the TE for blitzes and run support. I don't think he'd be great at it but he'd be manageable there.
Click to expand...

I always thought he'd be better than the off as a Will in a 4-3. But still, consensus is, he's better off in a 4-3. If l were the coach, JJ would be more of a relief player than starter. Wherever he goes in the league, he will have that role.
 
Uncle Jarvis will be playing "maniqin" at the Oval Office. If he is kept then this will show you how serious this coaching TOMBERT staff really is.





Salute the nation
 
Wig said Kirkland was only a starter because Greene and Lloyd left, Kirkland was drafted before Greene ever came here and as stated, he played inside they played outside, the 3 of them played 3 full seasons together.
Click to expand...
I stand corrected. Who was Kirkland behind? I know he sat for a year or two. I can't remember who was ahead of him.

I wasn't arguing that Kirkland wasn't an absolute beast. I felt he was one of the most solid linebackers the Steelers had Brown was flashy, so was Bell for a very short period, but Kirkland was steady and hit like a truck and then Farrior came along and upheld that tradition of being rock steady. I like steady.

The original comment about Jones being the biggest bust came from an article. As I clarified later on, I feel as though Stephens probably deserves the title due to being incapable of passing a conditioning test he knew was upcoming. But the thread has certainly elicited some conversation. Kudos to Justin for having a sense of humor about his boy 81.
 
David Little and Nickerson were the starting inside LB's I think in 1992 when Kirland was drafted, but Kirkland started his 2nd year.
 
Kirk brought back the "violent collision" when you ran at the defense that we had in the seventies and didn't have in the eighties. That said I wonder if jones wouldn't be better inside as a thumper like that jackass in cincy. Say what you want about birfuk he gives that defense aditude. He might be a better pass rusher going up the middle than coming around the edge. Seems it wouldn't hurt to try. He sure sucks on the outside.
 
Jones can't beat a block to get a sack, no way he could handle interior linemen as an inside lb
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top