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How's the Rooney Rule working out?

Hoot said:
The problem with the Rooney Rule is that it is trying to address diversity from the top down when the only effective way to address it is from the bottom up.
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I agree... the issue is that there isn’t a real training and certification program for coaches... it is all hands on word of mouth stuff... the only ones that really even get a shot at those programs are ex athletes and 98% of them are barely literate morons ( i may be underestimating that number)

i mean the two biggest issues are that the vast majority in the pool of ex players aren’t really coaching material and there are only 32 jobs, and they recycle old coaches enough that it’s virtually impossible to really get a shot...


This is yet another area that would be greatly improved by a minor league system for the nfl now that college has moved so far from pro style football ...
 
Certifications and Training aren't the issue. Lack of a diverse talent pool is. More diversity at the HC level will occur when there is more diversity at the NFL assistant levels as well as college. Nobody starts at the top, they earn their way there. Again, solve the problem form the bottom up, not top down.
 
I agree with you Hoot, but why can't it be both, bottom up and top down? Having the Rooney rule in place at least gives some hope and something to aspire to.
 
stillwright said:
You talk like there is some quota. If the rule gets ONE minority a shot at a position that they would not have had an opportunity in the past it is a win for the rule. As someone stated above. Years ago Kotite was getting chance after chance as a HC. Dude was just a horrible HC.
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If a person is deserving they will get a shot regardless if they are a minority or not. If a god damn mute midget aborigine with a 30” **** that fell out of his pants leg was some sort of coaching guru the owners would hire him.


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Have you noticed who makes the best coaches from the pool of former players? You don’t see a lot of hall of famers transitioning to head coach. You see the guys with an ounce of talent but very cerebral. So naturally the slower, smaller white guys use knowledge to even the playing field.


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Gee, shouldn't Colin Kapernick have chimed in by now? You know, how white NFL slave owners are discriminating against potential black coaches, keeping them down and ****.
 
heres what i find funny.
several years ago there were several black head coaches hired. a few years later many were let go.
after that, lots of black talking heads were calling the teams/owners racist for firing them.
let me get this straight. these owners werent racist when they hired them but are now because they fired them?
im wondering if this type of slander actually hurts a black guy from getting a HC gig because the owner doesnt want to hear the racist stuff when he eventually lets him go
 
Tibs said:
I agree with you Hoot, but why can't it be both, bottom up and top down? Having the Rooney rule in place at least gives some hope and something to aspire to.
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Well it isn't hurting nothing to keep it in place. And sure you can have both.
 
Tibs said:
I agree with you Hoot, but why can't it be both, bottom up and top down? Having the Rooney rule in place at least gives some hope and something to aspire to.
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If a young person needs the Rooney Rule to inspire them and give them hope, i really don't know what to tell you.

People get to executive level positions through qualifications and by qualifications I mean a combination of experience, accomplishments, capabilities and vision. Moreover, the successful hire isn't just "qualified", but also aligns well with the hiring organization's own vision and direction. Teams know darn well who is in the talent pool and they bring in the ones that they believe most likely will align with the type of hire they want to make. The interview list is the short list, not the list of all who were considered. Interviews are the end of a thorough vetting process, not an open audition. If there is a minority candidate that fits the teams desired profile, that candidate will get the interview. Forcing a team to interview minority candidates who do not fit that profile results in token interview. That is both derogatory and insulting to the candidate and it only cheapens the a tried and true process that can be summed up as "earn your way to the top". You diversify the executive level by developing a diverse talent pool or, like I said, develop the talent pool from the bottom up.

And if that explanation doesn't make sense, reread that again but take off the race glasses and put on a sexism pair. Why isn't there a rule forcing interviews for women?
 
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Hiring anyone who is not qualified or has a proven track record of success doesn’t work anywhere, I don’t give a **** what kind of business it is.
 
Does the NBA have the same coaching issues and discussions? Just wondering because there are only 5-6 HC and you'd think there would be more minority HC in the NBA. Maybe not all coaches deserve to be HC, but giving them interview experience is what the Rooney Rule was supposed to accomplish.
 
Hoot said:
Certifications and Training aren't the issue. Lack of a diverse talent pool is. More diversity at the HC level will occur when there is more diversity at the NFL assistant levels as well as college. Nobody starts at the top, they earn their way there. Again, solve the problem form the bottom up, not top down.
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I guess... i just don’t see college as the answer, but yes they need more entry level opportunities.... im a huge fan of a minor league system for the nfl... its not like they don’t have money to burn...
 
madinsomniac said:
I guess... i just don’t see college as the answer, but yes they need more entry level opportunities.... im a huge fan of a minor league system for the nfl... its not like they don’t have money to burn...
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College is the proving ground for young coaches. Good, bad, or indifferent, it just is. The NFL draws coaches from that pool so if that pool were more diverse, then it follows that the NFL would become more diverse.

I am a proponent of a minor league system as well but for different reasons. I had not thought of coach development but it would be great for that too.
 
What do you call a white guy surrounded by a bunch of black guys?

Coach.

Yeah I know, that's an old one.
 
We need more white DB's and wide receivers in the NFL.

More running backs too.
 
Stewey said:
We need more white DB's and wide receivers in the NFL.

More running backs too.
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Go down to a rec or Pop Warner game and see who is playing. Go watch HS games. More (too goddamned many) white boys are sitting at home playing Fortnight while little brothers are out getting bigger, faster and stronger. White athletes are playing club soccer or lacrosse.
 
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Maybe at one time it was but currently the road to the NFL isn't HS, College, NFL. It seems to be former college or NFL player. Then college coach or NFL positional coach. Then coordinator then head coach. The other one is the son of a former successful coach who played or didn't at all which I find laughable. See Steve Belichick or Todd Haley here. The NFL internship program for former players will be much more useful for achieving this goal in the long run than the Rooney Rule which to my eye has done nothing.
 
bigtwnvin said:
Go down to a rec or Pop Warner game and see who is playing. Go watch HS games. More (too goddamned many) white boys are sitting at home playing Fortnight while little brothers are out getting bigger, faster and stronger. White athletes are playing club soccer or lacrosse.
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A lot of that is due too concussion fears surrounding the sport and likely due to perceptions about ability to aadvance in the sport to a scholarship level. Our best athletes in Canada still gravitate towards hockey. Some of the top athletes end up in football and some make a move a little later. My son is graduating high school and about 20 guys he played with or against one year ahead and his grade are scholarship football players of different amounts.
 
SteelerSask said:
Maybe at one time it was but currently the road to the NFL isn't HS, College, NFL. It seems to be former college or NFL player. Then college coach or NFL positional coach. Then coordinator then head coach.
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yup, that is why I didn't say HS. I've seen a couple local HS coaches get offers to small colleges but not that many. None made to top 20 ncaa teams much less NFL. Colleges are getting guys they know...former college/pro players who played at the school or for the current coaches somewhere.
 
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