How the Browns players found out about Jackson and Haley being fired

[Coach]

Interesting note from OL Joel Bitonio: the players found out about Todd Haley and Hue Jackson’s firing from TVs around the facility. There was no team meeting with fired coaches before or after announcement.

https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1057667932543692800

What is this some sort of Truman show like experiment on how grown men deal with losing and stress? I've never heard of such a thing from ANY professional sports organization.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Coach,.......You are dealing with the BrOWNs so anything is possible. They are the failure of the NFL and it starts at the top, ownership. I'd bet the "rog" would cream his pants if a legitamit er purchaser stepped forward and aquired that stink hole Fanchise. I've been wondering how long this owner will keep his interest and eventually sell due to ****** performances all around.





Salute the nation

 

[Coach]

Coach,.......You are dealing with the BrOWNs so anything is possible. They are the failure of the NFL and it starts at the top, ownership. I'd bet the "rog" would cream his pants if a legitamit er purchaser stepped forward and aquired that stink hole Fanchise. I've been wondering how long this owner will keep his interest and eventually sell due to ****** performances all around.

Salute the nation

Jimmy Haslam purchased the team for $1,000,000,000.00 in 2012. Two years later the Buffalo Bills, perhaps the NFL's smallest market went for $1,400,000,000.00

That's crazy money. But if he wanted to sell, Haslam would make a profit of at least 400 million.

https://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/nfl/purchase-price-of-each-nfl-franchise.aspx

If I were the head Coach or GM of the Browns, I'd fire all 2nd and 3rd year contract players that aren't playing up to their contract levels knowing full well the team is going to lose a lot of games with them too. Give me as much cap space as possible. I'd fix the OL as quickly a possible in the draft or free agency and cross all ten figngers and toes that Mayfield is the real deal.

Essentially do what Chuck Noll did when he took over the Steelers.

 

[Stryker]

Wow, that is insane. Excellent find Coach!

Then again, just when you think the Browns are making the moves to allow them to turn the corner, then BAM, they not only fire their HC, but also their OC, mid-*******-season. Never heard of any team doing that before. Absolute insanity. You have a win, tie, and 2 more OT games this season, and have had more success in 7 games than the past 2 years, so yea, why not just blow it the **** up again??

Truly, I thought when Jimmy Haslam took over, he'd have brought more consistency and loyalty to this program, especially when he witnessed it first hand from being a Steeler minority owner for so long. Looks like the factory of sadness was too strong to change the culture of losing there...

 

[Vader]

https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1057667932543692800

I've never heard of such a thing from ANY professional sports organization.

HAHAHA nobody thinks they are a professional sports team.... I've seen flag football teams better organized than the clowns.

 

[Coach]

Wow, that is insane. Excellent find Coach!

Then again, just when you think the Browns are making the moves to allow them to turn the corner, then BAM, they not only fire their HC, but also their OC, mid-*******-season. Never heard of any team doing that before. Absolute insanity. You have a win, tie, and 2 more OT games this season, and have had more success in 7 games than the past 2 years, so yea, why not just blow it the **** up again??

Truly, I thought when Jimmy Haslam took over, he'd have brought more consistency and loyalty to this program, especially when he witnessed it first hand from being a Steeler minority owner for so long. Looks like the factory of sadness was too strong to change the culture of losing there...

I would have kept Tweedle Dee Tweedle Dum for a while longer with an * The Browns know they are not making the playoffs so what better way to secure a high draft pick than with Haley calling the plays and Jackson steering the ship? I saw some of HBO's Hard Knox on the Browns. Jackson was very un-impressive. Some of the meetings looked like the guys were getting ready for pizza and cards.

As for the * The only way I'd get rid of them both is if they are hindering Baker Mayfield's development.

Only a really good take no type of crap head coach can turn the Browns around, and I think that man has to be both young, and tough minded, in addition to creating a winning culture.

If I were starting over, I’d order a bon fire and fill it with all the crap that happened over the losing years ( Newspaper headlines and such ) the first night of camp, maybe even hire Gallaher to smash the crap out of the losing Cd’s and tapes ( Of course I’d have backups ) signaling we are moving on from this culture of crap. A symbolic staring over and burning of the bridges is needed. A new uniform change would not be a bad idea either.

 

[steelhurt]

Jimmy Haslam who as we all know was a minority owner for the Steelers. These guys for the most part are just very rich people investing their money with little passion for the game or the team. It’s not anywhere like Artie who grew up in that world and the team defines his family. The Steelers are the Rooney’s and of course the passion is there.
These guys like Haslam don’t really take much away with them when they buy their own teams. He and his wife are most likely running it like their other business. Their attitude is we don’t owe the players any explanation, this is our business and we call the shots and you players do what you’re here for.
Good luck with that approach Jimmy and Dee Haslam. Not even the Browns deserve this.


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[Djfan]

Don't forget that Haslam said, when buying the stains, that he is a 1,000% Steelers fan.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Jimmy Haslam who as we all know was a minority owner for the Steelers. These guys for the most part are just very rich people investing their money with little passion for the game or the team. It’s not anywhere like Artie who grew up in that world and the team defines his family. The Steelers are the Rooney’s and of course the passion is there.
These guys like Haslam don’t really take much away with them when they buy their own teams. He and his wife are most likely running it like their other business. Their attitude is we don’t owe the players any explanation, this is our business and we call the shots and you players do what you’re here for.
Good luck with that approach Jimmy and Dee Haslam. Not even the Browns deserve this.


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His company, Pilot truck stops, has been in legal trouble for years regarding fuel and sales taxes.

 

[Steelworth]

Don't forget that Haslam said, when buying the stains, that he is a 1,000% Steelers fan.

Well it all makes sense now.

 

[SteveA]

Why would they team meet with the FIRED coaches?

If I was the GM I would walk Hue & Haley right out the Stadium

 

[Steelr4evr]

Really classy to do your coach like that. I don't care how much they sucked.

 

[mr peeples]

https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1057667932543692800

What is this some sort of Truman show like experiment on how grown men deal with losing and stress? I've never heard of such a thing from ANY professional sports organization.

I've worked a for a few f''d up places, and even THOSE nitwits didn't run things like this much of a joke.

I don't mind not having the fired coaches speak to the players; they would be bitter and that meeting could be pointless, i.e. "let me persuade you how f'd up this team is and give you my sob story."

But to have no official announcement to the players before it was on TV? That is not only a dumpster fire, but one that is careening down a hill, headed to railroad tracks with a train headed its way.

 

[mr peeples]

Really classy to do your coach like that. I don't care how much they sucked.

I don't mind them not having the coaches speak to the team; it seemed obvious there was no respect there in any way. So why bother?

But having the players learn about it on TVs at the complex? That is a colossal joke. Then again, we don't know that the word wasn't spread among the players - it may have been but nothing official.

 

[Hines57]

Jimmy Haslam purchased the team for $1,000,000,000.00 in 2012. Two years later the Buffalo Bills, perhaps the NFL's smallest market went for $1,400,000,000.00

That's crazy money. But if he wanted to sell, Haslam would make a profit of at least 400 million.

https://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/nfl/purchase-price-of-each-nfl-franchise.aspx

If I were the head Coach or GM of the Browns, I'd fire all 2nd and 3rd year contract players that aren't playing up to their contract levels knowing full well the team is going to lose a lot of games with them too. Give me as much cap space as possible. I'd fix the OL as quickly a possible in the draft or free agency and cross all ten figngers and toes that Mayfield is the real deal.

Essentially do what Chuck Noll did when he took over the Steelers.

Dude this isn't Madden Football. You go and cut all those players and you're taking cap hits and dead money into the next several years. It just isn't that simple.

 

[Coach]

Dude this isn't Madden Football. You go and cut all those players and you're taking cap hits and dead money into the next several years. It just isn't that simple.

Hines57,

You can cut players and save money on the cap. I'd cut any vet in their 2nd contract that is not above average by NFL starting standards. You'll get more cap room. There is a difference between dead money and cap space. I recommend over the cap.

Looking at the Browns 2019 cap space is Jamie Collins really worth $11,750,000 in 2019? They could trade him or cut him and save $9,250,000 on the cap, and use that money to buy a better defender I free agency. With Collins there is some dead money, not a lot. He's off the books in 2020

Also who the heck is Damarious Randall??!! Some obscure safety with a 2019 cap number of $9,069,000. If the Browns cut him, there is no dead money. I'd color that guy gone.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cleveland-browns/

The Browns actually have an insane amount of cap space. If Mayfield is decent, they have him for very cheap and can load up elsewhere like Seattle did a few years back.

-Coach

PS: I am not cap expert, but that's how I interpret this website.

 

[Hines57]

There is a cost to cutting players. Jamie Collins would cost $11.9 M in dead money (in 2018) and give them $250K in cap savings post June-1 cut per the link you posted. Eating $11.9M in dead money is not smart business.

Coincidentally, trading Jamie Collins post June 1 would cost them $1.25M and save them $10.9M in cap savings. THIS and exactly this is why you saw many starters getting traded at the deadline. You also have players in the final year of their contracts and those teams knew they weren't going to resign them. Better to trade them then to let them walk for nothing or a compensatory pick that may or may not come in 2 years.

The Browns have almost $24M in dead money from other moves right now

Dead Money
Name Cap Number
Kenny Britt $4,875,000
Joe Haden $3,600,000
Jamar Taylor $2,000,000
Carlos Hyde $1,946,078
Danny Shelton $1,692,940
Corey Coleman $1,669,088
DeShone Kizer $1,304,133
Cameron Erving $1,279,376
Joe Thomas $750,000
Jason McCourty $625,000
Mychal Kendricks $500,000
Nate Orchard $377,055
Cody Kessler $332,394
Carl Nassib $222,438
Dan Vitale $222,353
James Burgess $218,118
Shon Coleman $216,884
Xavier Cooper $148,071
Devaroe Lawrence $141,176
Ibraheim Campbell $128,002
Jordan Payton $114,824
Jeff Janis $100,000
TOTAL $23,789,757

 

[bermudasteel]

Personally, I agree that this was a bad move on the Browns since they are "overall" doing much better as a team this year. This is going to be a setback IMO...

 

[Superman]

There is a cost to cutting players. Jamie Collins would cost $11.9 M in dead money (in 2018) and give them $250K in cap savings post June-1 cut per the link you posted. Eating $11.9M in dead money is not smart business.

Coincidentally, trading Jamie Collins post June 1 would cost them $1.25M and save them $10.9M in cap savings. THIS and exactly this is why you saw many starters getting traded at the deadline. You also have players in the final year of their contracts and those teams knew they weren't going to resign them. Better to trade them then to let them walk for nothing or a compensatory pick that may or may not come in 2 years.

The Browns have almost $24M in dead money from other moves right now

Dead Money
Name Cap Number
Kenny Britt $4,875,000
Joe Haden $3,600,000
Jamar Taylor $2,000,000
Carlos Hyde $1,946,078
Danny Shelton $1,692,940
Corey Coleman $1,669,088
DeShone Kizer $1,304,133
Cameron Erving $1,279,376
Joe Thomas $750,000
Jason McCourty $625,000
Mychal Kendricks $500,000
Nate Orchard $377,055
Cody Kessler $332,394
Carl Nassib $222,438
Dan Vitale $222,353
James Burgess $218,118
Shon Coleman $216,884
Xavier Cooper $148,071
Devaroe Lawrence $141,176
Ibraheim Campbell $128,002
Jordan Payton $114,824
Jeff Janis $100,000
TOTAL $23,789,757

please stop foncusing cooch with facts

 

[bermudasteel]

Hines57,

You can cut players and save money on the cap. I'd cut any vet in their 2nd contract that is not above average by NFL starting standards. You'll get more cap room. There is a difference between dead money and cap space. I recommend over the cap.

Looking at the Browns 2019 cap space is Jamie Collins really worth $11,750,000 in 2019? They could trade him or cut him and save $9,250,000 on the cap, and use that money to buy a better defender I free agency. With Collins there is some dead money, not a lot. He's off the books in 2020

Also who the heck is Damarious Randall??!! Some obscure safety with a 2019 cap number of $9,069,000. If the Browns cut him, there is no dead money. I'd color that guy gone.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cleveland-browns/

The Browns actually have an insane amount of cap space. If Mayfield is decent, they have him for very cheap and can load up elsewhere like Seattle did a few years back.

-Coach

PS: I am not cap expert, but that's how I interpret this website.

Facking hilarious!!!

 

[mr peeples]

His company, Pilot truck stops, has been in legal trouble for years regarding fuel and sales taxes.

He sure appears to be a sleazy dude. Where there is smoke, there is fire. I'd guess a LOT of NFL owners don't have the resume of a saint (Rooneys included, owning race tracks is not usually as pure as the driven snow), but Haslam comes off as extra slimy. It seems whenever he's involved, it goes south quick. How you keep Hue there for a 3rd year when he was 1-31 his previous 2 is beyond me. And it took me about 2 minutes to see through his fakeness on "Hard Knocks." Men do not follow fake posers. He is such an obvious non-leader and Baker saw through it quickly. Why didn't Haslam?

 

[Hypocycloids]

The most dysfunctional franchise in the history of professional sports period.

Aside from:
Being 0-16 and 1-15 over two seasons
Having had 10 head coaches since 1999
Having 28 starting QB's since 1999
Never winning a season opener since 1999....
Making the playoffs only once since 1999

The other "only in Cleveland" **** that has befallen this franchise:

Only in Cleveland could a newly acquired linebacker from Philly be arrested by the FBI for insider trading.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...itting-to-federal-charges-of-insider-trading/

Only in Cleveland does the owner of an NFL franchise get investigated by the FBI for shady business dealings

Only in Cleveland does an NFL owner (former) (Randy Lerner) skip Browns games to attend soccer games in England. Soccer??? Really?
Lerner owned an English soccer team up until 2016.
https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/former-browns-owner-randy-lerner-sells-soccer-team-aston-villa

Only in Cleveland does a head coach (Butch Davis) say "no mas" and quits in 2004 before the season is over. Terry Robiske becomes interim head coach..
Well not really only in Cleveland... Dave Wannstedt quit too...but still.

Only in Cleveland do you lose a football game by a player tossing a helmet. Nice toss Dwayne Rudd.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/09/...ns-penalty-gives-chiefs-unlikely-victory.html

Only in Cleveland could a player get injured by a referees flag. Orlando Brown suffers serious eye injury.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/throwback/201412/orlando-brown-jeff-triplette-flag-eye

Only in Cleveland would there be two players on the same team at the same time with alcohol and drug problems.
Both having gone through rehab.

The Johnny Football fiasco.

The Josh Gordon fiasco.

Only in Cleveland does a first round draft pick perform motorcycle stunts in a parking lot, is injured and out for the season.
Evel Kellen
http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2064702

Only in Cleveland does sewage back up in the locker room of a new football stadium
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...ovated-after-flood-caused-by-plumbing-problem

Only in Cleveland does a player ( WR Joe Jurivicious) sue his team for contracting a staph infection...probably caused by the sewage backup in the locker room.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=5289486

Only in Cleveland does a GM, (Ray Farmer) get suspended by the NFL for texting the coaches on the sidelines during a game.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...s-gm-ray-farmer-suspended-4-games-for-texting

Only in Cleveland was a player allowed to practice in socks, in which he suffered a severe cut, thereby missing two games....to which Braylon Edwards coach Romeo Crennell responed "it just kids being kids".
http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/08/browns_edwards_hospitalized_wi.html

Only in Cleveland does a newly acquired pro bowl center end his career by tearing up his knee on the very first play on the very first day of training camp.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2531239

Only in Cleveland would an opposing QB (Big Ben) have more wins in Cleveland stadium than any Cleveland QB since 1999.

Then there's the fans:
Only in Cleveland do fans throw bottles on the field being upset over a refs call. Bottlegate.
Only in Cleveland does a fan get slammed to the turf by a hated opposing player...Thank You James Harrison.
Only in Cleveland do they walk around barking and are proud of it.

 

[Stryker]

Haslam is a plant so the Steelers win twice every year!

 

[Ike Kelly]

If I were the head Coach or GM of the Browns, I'd fire all 2nd and 3rd year contract players that aren't playing up to their contract levels knowing full well the team is going to lose a lot of games with them too. Give me as much cap space as possible. I'd fix the OL as quickly a possible in the draft or free agency and cross all ten figngers and toes that Mayfield is the real deal.

Essentially do what Chuck Noll did when he took over the Steelers.

Give it a shot Coach, please try. You seem to think you have all the answers about why the Steelers FO and coaching staff are so bad at...well everything. So, prove your methods work.

FYI, Chaz, didn’t have a pesky salary cap to interfere with his vision. So his method wasn’t about money, it was about players who were effective at what they did and bought into his team vision.

Hines57,

You can cut players and save money on the cap. I'd cut any vet in their 2nd contract that is not above average by NFL starting standards. You'll get more cap room. There is a difference between dead money and cap space. I recommend over the cap.

Looking at the Browns 2019 cap space is Jamie Collins really worth $11,750,000 in 2019? They could trade him or cut him and save $9,250,000 on the cap, and use that money to buy a better defender I free agency. With Collins there is some dead money, not a lot. He's off the books in 2020

Also who the heck is Damarious Randall??!! Some obscure safety with a 2019 cap number of $9,069,000. If the Browns cut him, there is no dead money. I'd color that guy gone.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cleveland-browns/

The Browns actually have an insane amount of cap space. If Mayfield is decent, they have him for very cheap and can load up elsewhere like Seattle did a few years back.

-Coach

PS: I am not cap expert, but that's how I interpret this website.

Cut any vet in their 2nd contract that’s not an above average starter? Hahahahaha.....What is a “above average starter”? Coach’s with your method you would be part of a 7 on 7 league.


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[Harry_BZAC]

The most dysfunctional franchise in the history of professional sports period.

Aside from:
Being 0-16 and 1-15 over two seasons
Having had 10 head coaches since 1999
Having 28 starting QB's since 1999
Never winning a season opener since 1999....
Making the playoffs only once since 1999

The other "only in Cleveland" **** that has befallen this franchise:

Only in Cleveland could a newly acquired linebacker from Philly be arrested by the FBI for insider trading.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...itting-to-federal-charges-of-insider-trading/

Only in Cleveland does the owner of an NFL franchise get investigated by the FBI for shady business dealings

Only in Cleveland does an NFL owner (former) (Randy Lerner) skip Browns games to attend soccer games in England. Soccer??? Really?
Lerner owned an English soccer team up until 2016.
https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/former-browns-owner-randy-lerner-sells-soccer-team-aston-villa

Only in Cleveland does a head coach (Butch Davis) say "no mas" and quits in 2004 before the season is over. Terry Robiske becomes interim head coach..
Well not really only in Cleveland... Dave Wannstedt quit too...but still.lol

Only in Cleveland do you lose a football game by a player tossing a helmet. Nice toss Dwayne Rudd.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/09/...ns-penalty-gives-chiefs-unlikely-victory.html

Only in Cleveland could a player get injured by a referees flag. Orlando Brown suffers serious eye injury.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/throwback/201412/orlando-brown-jeff-triplette-flag-eye

The Johnny Football fiasco.

The Josh Gordon fiasco.

Only in Cleveland does a first round draft pick perform motorcycle stunts in a parking lot, is injured and out for the season.
Evel Knievel you are not there Kellen.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2064702

Only in Cleveland does the sewage back up in the locker room of a new football stadium
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...ovated-after-flood-caused-by-plumbing-problem

Only in Cleveland does a player ( WR Joe Jurivicious) sue his team for contracting a staph infection...probably caused by the sewage backup in the locker room.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=5289486

Only in Cleveland does a GM, (Ray Farmer) get suspended by the NFL for texting the coaches on the sidelines during a game.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...s-gm-ray-farmer-suspended-4-games-for-texting

Only in Cleveland was a player allowed to practice in socks, in which he suffered a severe cut, thereby missing two games....to which Braylon Edwards coach Romeo Crennell responed "it just kids being kids".
http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/08/browns_edwards_hospitalized_wi.html

Then there's the fans:
Only in Cleveland do fans throw bottles on the field being upset over a refs call. Bottlegate.
Only in Cleveland does a fan get slammed to the turf by a hated opposing player...Thank You James Harrison.
Only in Cleveland do they walk around barking and are proud of it.

Only in Cleveland do fans refer to their stadium as a "Factory of Sadness"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8


So funny...if you read some of the comments...."What makes this freaking hilarious is the fact that this was recorded four years ago, and the Browns are even worse now than they were then."