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How about the QB's just suck? Can we just say that?

On Sunday NFL Countdown, they were saying that since Dallas had only won three playoff games in the last decade, that wasn't good enough and Garrett should be fired. Next segment was about the Steelers, and how great of a coach Tomlin is. I guess winning three playoff game in nine years is ok. Ten years, apparently, is the threshold.

And two of those wins were in 1 year... Dolphins & Chiefs on the way to losing the AFCCG
 
If Ben retires, the cap savings is 8.5M. It would leave 25M dead money which is the remaining prorated signing bonus that would accelerate to this year.

you're obviously wrong. coach would never make a mistake like that, he is easily the uh, most br...uh, the smar.....uh yeah the stupidest person on this website

so it is clear he ******* messed up AGAIN.
 
Suppose Ben retires. That's 33.3 million in cap space to use
Coach, if Ben retires the Steelers are going to SUUUCK for years until they manage to find a remotely serviceable QB. Rudolph, Hodges... Not it. They're not even NFL caliber QBs. They would probably be good for .500 seasons in the xfl.

By the way, It's not that I'm suggesting Rudolph is better than Hodges or that I want Rudolph back in the starting lineup. I just find it irritating that people are desperately polishing a turd in Hodges. The fact that some parts of his game suck marginally less that Rudolphs is hardly the lead-in I would go with for Duck's H.O.F. acceptance speech.

As I said, Duck is a nice guy. He's a great feel-good story. But he's just not an NFL caliber QB. Maybe after a couple years seasoning and learning how NFL defenses work, he could be a decent backup. But the fact that the Rudolph/Hodges lead Steelers can barely manage 2 TDs a game vs the worst defenses in the NFL and given the fact that Hodges seemingly threw more interceptions than completions (I know, that's hyperbole) against a good NFL defense tells you he just isn't the guy.

Sadly, as King of the Dipshits, sometimes you just gotta do what you can with the physical tools you have.

So sure. You want to park your summer motor-home on the concept that Hodges is "better" than Rudolph. Ok. Park away. But for the love of GOD, let's not pretend that makes Hodges GOOD.

Essentially what we're seeing here is that the kid with down's syndrome can beat the deaf & blind kid in a 40 yard dash. Great. Trophies for everyone!
 
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To be clear, I said QB's, plural, that means both of them. If Ben isn't coming back, I don't want neither of these guys at QB. How's Alex Smith's rehab coming?
 
Phil Rivers was in the same draft as Big Ben. Why would you even consider him?
 
One thing is for sure before free agency the team should zoom in on Ben and make sure he is 100 percent on the comeback. Because if not they need to plan accordingly.

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I hope Ben can lose some weight in the off season. He looks like he must weigh 275, maybe 280.
 
Coach, if Ben retires the Steelers are going to SUUUCK for years until they manage to find a remotely serviceable QB. Rudolph, Hodges... Not it. They're not even NFL caliber QBs. They would probably be good for .500 seasons in the xfl.

I'm kind of rethinking that career winning percentage importance after Eli playing his last home game in NY. Barely over .500. What a legacy huh? He did something the Steelers couldnt though, twice! I dont know.
 
No. I'm saying the team wasn't good enough. A weak punt that set up a Bills score. Lousy coaching. That silly fumble play when we could have had six points.

Duck had little time to throw the ball. Buffalo has a top defense.

The limits test is bad coaching once again held us back, and Berry has had two very bad games back to back. I'm not sure if you really like Rudolph or flat out just hate Duck. The funny part here is not one person on this board was saying Duck sucks when he was 3-0 as a starter. Or if you prefer 4-0 in games when he threw it more than 10 times. We lost to a very good team that out coached us Sunday night. The coaches abandoned the run. That's the story.

Duck is an accurate passer. He's completing 67.8% of his passes with a 7.5 yards average per pass. Ya really want dink and dunk Rudy back in there who had far worse accuracy despite throwing it short more often? Rudy = 61.6 % passes complete with a very low 6.2 yards a pass.

Its getting to be a tiresome affair watching folks point out your ineptitude in discussing your own talking points.

You say the team wasn't good enough (to win the game). one poor punt.....obviously "that set up a score". But the D had the Bills at 3rd/18 and 4th/6 and couldn't get off the field. Sure the wildcat was a terrible play call....but it what it is, when you have a defense that is taking away everything in the middle of the field and stuffing the run, daring a UDRFA QB who can't make all the throws beyond 20 yards consistently. Something to catch a defense off guard is required. The play just failed miserably. It worked before, in the same game, but the long gain got nullified because Duck was in motion before the set. Before the game did you even see Duck's pass chart? There is not even a handful of throws beyond 20 yards. and even those are outside the numbers only. The fact is Ben isn't playing so the entire playbook isn't available. You have a 2nd year player with several starts and a rookie FA QB to game plan with. You don't have Ben's experience to check out of plays or identify specific matchups. They are trying to run patterns that these QBs can decide quickly on their progressions. So short passes to backs, or receivers 5-10 yards is the game plan on offense and let the Defense carry the team.

I love a feel good story and Duck is one. But he doesn't have the arm to make all the throws, unfortunately. With more experience he could run an offense like Brees, but not the throws. I saw him personally in college three times. In college he was undaunted. His last game I saw he through over 60 passes, for 320+ yards, but one TD and 3 picks. I know he can play the game, but at the professional level, he is not the centerpiece but rather the compliment player. A poor man's Kirk Cousin, without the arm strength.

Your Litmus (or limits in your terms) test is bad coaching? Get a dictionary are read what Litmus Test is. Just say what you mean......The AGENDA is blaming everything on what you perceive is wrong, when you have no clue as to what is even right. You had a UDRFA QB throwing 4 picks and losing a fumble in game lost by one score against a top five defense. Coaching lost that game? Maybe you need Litmus pills, because turnovers lost that game plain and simple. Execution on a handful of plays on defense and turnovers by the QB were the culprit. The last two picks, in the redzone were all on Duck and his inexperience...plain and simple.
 
No. I'm saying the team wasn't good enough. A weak punt that set up a Bills score. Lousy coaching. That silly fumble play when we could have had six points.

Duck had little time to throw the ball. Buffalo has a top defense.

The limits test is bad coaching once again held us back, and Berry has had two very bad games back to back. I'm not sure if you really like Rudolph or flat out just hate Duck. The funny part here is not one person on this board was saying Duck sucks when he was 3-0 as a starter. Or if you prefer 4-0 in games when he threw it more than 10 times. We lost to a very good team that out coached us Sunday night. The coaches abandoned the run. That's the story.

Duck is an accurate passer. He's completing 67.8% of his passes with a 7.5 yards average per pass. Ya really want dink and dunk Rudy back in there who had far worse accuracy despite throwing it short more often? Rudy = 61.6 % passes complete with a very low 6.2 yards a pass.

Ducks completions percentage is mainly a result of the number of short passes he throws. On longer passes he is not so accurate. He is either behind his WR, like on the pick on the out to Washington or short like every deep pass he threw in that game. From the games so far, duck is slightly better than Rudolph but that is not a glowing evaluation for duckie He missed open WR because it appeared he locked onto the target he wanted to go to and did not look for better options. That is what young guys do.

Yes, the way Conner was running they should have given him the ball more. We all know our OC is a ********.

But without the picks and the fumble the Steelers could have easily won that game. They were not out coached, they were out played...
 
Rivers is stuck on a lousy team. He would be a good 1 year option if Ben were to retire, and I think he wants to be on a team that has a chance to win. How much he signs for depends on the market.

Let's use the numbers.

Suppose Ben retires. That's 33.3 million in cap space to use

Steelers pick up their 5th year option on Dupree for 9.3 million.

Steelers sign a top RB Derick Henry for 12 million. Or pick a top OL player if you prefer.

Steelers then have about 12 million to sign a qb for 1 year while they search for a long term solution 12 million can get you Rivers. More than a few million, but now you can see my point. Rivers would be an upgrade over Duck or Rudolph. Say what you will Rivers has hall of fame numbers is tough, and loves to play. With our talent on offense, he's look a lot better.

We won't be able to get one of the top 4 QBs this draft. It's best if Ben comes back healthy and in shape. We don't know if he will.

Rivers is stuck on a lousy team. He would be a good 1 year option if Ben were to retire, and I think he wants to be on a team that has a chance to win. How much he signs for depends on the market.

Let's use the numbers.

Suppose Ben retires. That's 33.3 million in cap space to use

Steelers pick up their 5th year option on Dupree for 9.3 million.

Steelers sign a top RB Derick Henry for 12 million. Or pick a top OL player if you prefer.

Steelers then have about 12 million to sign a qb for 1 year while they search for a long term solution 12 million can get you Rivers. More than a few million, but now you can see my point. Rivers would be an upgrade over Duck or Rudolph. Say what you will Rivers has hall of fame numbers is tough, and loves to play. With our talent on offense, he's look a lot better.

We won't be able to get one of the top 4 QBs this draft. It's best if Ben comes back healthy and in shape. We don't know if he will.

5th year option on Dupree for 9,3M? Wtf are you talking about ? And you call yourself more knowledgeable than most here?
He is an UFA when the season ends so you either franchise tag him or give him a new contract if you want to keep him.


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5th year option on Dupree for 9,3M? Wtf are you talking about ? And you call yourself more knowledgeable than most here?
He is an UFA when the season ends so you either franchise tag him or give him a new contract if you want to keep him.


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Hahahahaha.....Litos just punked Coach for his lack of knowledge!!! Coach thinks he’s all knowing and all seeing, but doesn’t even realize Dupree is already playing on his 5th year option........

The board is indebted to showcasing even more Coachisms of idiocy.


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All I know is they were losing a lot with Ben

Dumbass

Late to party with this,

But betting this dumb **** didn’t suffer through Mark Malone, and fortunate he wasn’t like millions of his potential siblings result of daddy looking at National Geographic magazines


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Mark Malone....shudder. I know I'm a dumbass but I think MR has a lot more promise than ******* Mark Malone did.
 
If Ben isn't coming back, I don't want neither of these guys at QB. How's Alex Smith's rehab coming?

I could think of plenty of worse options as a transitional QB next few years than this guy. Carr's roughly ten years younger than Ben.

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His significant guaranteed money has already been paid out and he is signed through 2022 with very manageable cap hits and earning only about $19 million a season.
 
With a strike year looming in 2021, 2020 may be the last year Ben plays or we may have already seen the last of him. I'm not going to say Rudolph can't still improve but neither of the back up QB's we are currently playing have shown a whole heck of a lot this year to make me comfortable when Ben does hang them up. And, as I said earlier, we don't have a No. 1 pick this year so we certainly aren't even thinking of drafting a QB for a couple more years. So, we are basically stuck with what we have unless we grab another free agent. Get ready for the 1980's unless something drastic happens over the next year.
 
Why don’t people think ben is coming back? Luckily we made the decision early on surgery which will give him nearly a year to heal. He should be throwing without restrictions by March and should be 100% this summer. I definitely don’t rush him but I feel he needs to have a healthy full camp to get his timing right. But if we can get two years out of him that gives us two more years looking at Rudolph and Duck and if they can’t take the helm we likely sign a stop gap and draft a QB. Until then I just care about Roethlisberger coming back healthy


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Why don’t people think ben is coming back? Luckily we made the decision early on surgery which will give him nearly a year to heal. He should be throwing without restrictions by March and should be 100% this summer. I definitely don’t rush him but I feel he needs to have a healthy full camp to get his timing right. But if we can get two years out of him that gives us two more years looking at Rudolph and Duck and if they can’t take the helm we likely sign a stop gap and draft a QB. Until then I just care about Roethlisberger coming back healthy


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two more years of looking at rudolph and duck?? oh hell no! what they need is those 2 more years to find ben's eventual replacement, a.k.a, a bonafide franchise quarterback. because it damn sure isn't ever going to be either of those two jackwads. but yeah, i fully expect roethlisberger to come back in good shape.
 
I could think of plenty of worse options as a transitional QB next few years than this guy. Carr's roughly ten years younger than Ben.

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hmmm! .....intriguing. . .
 
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