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Have you ever been less satisfied with ownership and the head coach as a Steeler fan.

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In all your years as a Steeler fan have you ever been less satisfied with ownership and the head coach?

I took time out to hear Art Rooney speak. The man's reactions are a little slow and he comes off like a politician. Art II appears at 1:13 mark on the below video. He thinks there is no problem with the culture. Oh my, fans are really screwed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKRYXOIUueI
 
I was a fan when Bill Austin was the coach, so yes I respect what the Chief, the Emperor and the Chin did.

The current crew, not so much.
 
Very dissatisfied with the state of this team.
 
I'm usually pretty upset after any AFCCG loss.

But not "oh my" and clutching my pearls upset.

I'm more of a swear-upset kind of person.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
I was a fan when Bill Austin was the coach, so yes I respect what the Chief, the Emperor and the Chin did.

The current crew, not so much.
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Wow, you've been a fan since the Bill Austin days? Respect for you. My Steeler memories start in the 1970's, you live through the darkest times.

I am very down on Art Rooney II. While a TV interview really isn't the best way to know somebody, his lack of energy and dare I say tolerance for what is going did not impress me.
 
TDX27 said:
Yes. In our **** period during the 80's.
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I jumped on the bandwagon in 1978 and the 80's were tough, but I'd have to say now is worse.

Back then, living in Louisiana I would get to see one game a year if I was lucky and got almost no news about my Steelers. Today, with the internet and Sunday Ticket, I see all games and get 24/7 Steeler news and I crave more. So I SEE MORE than I did back then. Today is worse because I can see the issues with the coaching and ownership / FO ignoring our biggest weakness (ILB). On the other hand, today's owners / coaches have much more **** to deal with than they had back then... Where was I going with this? Oh yeah, less satisfied today. We are not living up to our potential and it sucks because we can see it but the coaches & front office seem to ignore it.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
I was a fan when Bill Austin was the coach, so yes I respect what the Chief, the Emperor and the Chin did.

The current crew, not so much.
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Hay Zona I hear ya man. I'm likely older than you so I started following the black n' gold at about 9 years old when Buddy Parker was coach believe it or not. Yeah, I'm ******* old and will be 67 next month. Then you remember those 60's when our team plain and simple just sucked. I remember many a Sunday going to old Pitt Stadium sitting on those wooden benches watching us get the hell beat out of us. I remember Don Meredith and Bullet Bob Hayes and them Cowboys coming in and Hayes catching the winning TD , the old St.Louis Cardinals when kicker Jim Baken made 6 FG's to beat us, the Vikings and Fran Tarkington beating the hell out us, Sonny Jurgenson and the Redskins, coming in and kicking our *****, The Cleveland Browns with Jimmy Brown the greatest RB of all time. Hell, I could go on and on but I was a kid and in love with my Steelers so I always held out hope.

In all fairness Art Senior did not run a good organization. The Chief was a great guy but just made horrible decisions; ala Johnny Unitas, Len Dawson, they weren't good enough.The failed high draft picks, poor QB play, poor coaching although Parker wasn't bad when we had Bobby Lane for a brief moment. The organization really didn't start to take a drastic turn upward until Dan starting running things. Truly a visionary and responsible for what we we became and took us from laughingstock to the model to follow.

Art II I just don't know yet. Some of the things he says are alarming but I'm going to hold judgment to see how he handles this off season and what happens next season.
 
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1968 for me but I live a long long ways away so I got hardly anything STEELERS related. As for satisfied or dissatisfied, I've been a fan for ever and have been both sides and sideways but I just can't believe how lackidazical this team has gotten. It always starts at the top so ART Duece , THEN Head Coach and currently I am very dissatisfied with the head coaching / coaching staff (except Fichtner & now gone Munch). I'm not there day to day but even then ONE can see coaching being a problem.






Salute the nation
 
TDX27 said:
Yes. In our **** period during the 80's.
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The team was .500 during the 1980's. Replacing the legendary players of the 1970s was not an easy task, and made more complicated by no free agency.


Stoudt and Malone sucked. Brister was only marginally better. The problem was passing on Marino, and not having an excellent draft until 1987. One of the toughest losses for me was the Steelers vs. the Dolphins AFC title game. The Dolphins had a young Dan Marino at QB. Early in the game, we had the lead, and I thought my goodness if we win this one we go to another super bowl! Had we drafted Marino I do believe the Steelers would have gone to and perhaps won another super bowl.


The 1985 draft was just terrible.
 
I think Art Le Deuce as an owner should demand more of Mike Tomlin and hold a higher level of accountability for everyone associated with the Steelers Football Club.
If not, the Steelers will be nothing more than a punchline.
 
Steelerfan81 said:
Steelers we're 13-3 last year. Yet it's worse now then the 80s. Right.
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Depends, After a 7-2-1 start we all thought playoffs only to see the team explode with coaching mistakes and special teams. That is the worst collapse in the history of the modern NFL. It has just happened twice before, and both those teams suffered significant injuries.

I felt better in 1989 than I do now.
 
Ever been less satisfied? No, because ownership and the head coach refuse to acknowledge and correct problems that are glaringly obvious to the rest of us. 8-8 at best next year but Shades will still never have had a losing season. :rolleyes:
 
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You see why Tomlin and Rooney get along they talk the same way, say the same political nonsense and are blind to seeing the problems on the field. Yes I'm an old timer but when the team had desire and fans had respect for the Rooney name as well as the coach was time of being a Steeler fan you did so with pride.
 
Steelerfan81 said:
Doom and gloom.
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From a winning perspective miles ahead of the 80's.

From a drama standpoint as a collective whole it is been the worst 10 year time span.

Schedule isn't as Juggernaut as the one we are coming off of so they might squeak in to the playoffs.

But with yearly slow starts and disappointing endings the sky isn't falling, but I have no confidence in the team raising the roof.
 
Coach said:
Depends, After a 7-2-1 start we all thought playoffs only to see the team explode with coaching mistakes and special teams. That is the worst collapse in the history of the modern NFL. It has just happened twice before, and both those teams suffered significant injuries.

I felt better in 1989 than I do now.
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“That is the worst collapse in the history of modern NFL”. Yet in your next sentence “it has just happened twice before” with the caveat “and both teams suffered significant injuries”.....a new first. You contradicted yourself one sentence apart.

What team suffered significant injuries that “collapsed” their season?


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ZonaBurgh said:
I was a fan when Bill Austin was the coach, so yes I respect what the Chief, the Emperor and the Chin did.

The current crew, not so much.
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Ditto. And ditto.

Born in the second year of the Bach administration so I remember the Austin days. That's when the Brahns were tuf. They had that Brown kid out of Syracuse.

This administration has been flawed from the get-go. I was vocal about the poor choice when it happened and remain vindicated. So much talent and opportunity have been wasted over a stupid decision made for a stupid reason. We missed at least several Lombardis. I dare say that had Chin remained, we might yet have had some more.

See, here's the problem with Tomlin. He brought nothing to the table, and has demonstrated that for the last 13 years. He doesn't understand Xs & Os, so he doesn't scheme or adjust. He doesn't understand the positions so he doesn't develop talent. Worse, he uses them up - 'run the wheels off Parker and Bell'. A coach might stupidly think that, but wouldn't act on it. A professional coach wouldn't think that. Only a stupid coach would actually say it. A coach must command respect. He has positioned himself as a peer to his charges. They don't play for him. They play for themselves. No concept of team. No leaders. The secondary is on a different page from the front seven. But what does it matter if you run a 'Tampa 2' in 2018? How many #1s and #2s do we have on D and its a slow motion train wreck. Watch video from previous administrations. The Ds were machines. They were in position. They hit like they meant it. They took over games. That could never happen with this bunch.

A head coach's responsibility is to manage the expensive assets of a billion dollar enterprise. His job is to return on the investment. Tomlin has had some of the best rosters of the last 13 years and has returned mediocrity.

Not quite as bad as Johnny McNally being MIA (as coach) from a game, but might as well be. At least Johhny Blood was a character. He was at the Bears game in Chicago. "Better game". So I ax you, does it really matter that Tomlin is on the sideline. I mean other than drawing a flag for interfering on a kick return.
 
I don't think the Steelers have a culture problem right now either. Take away AB acting like a teenage girl on Twitter and no one is talking about the Steelers right now.
 
Ike Kelly said:
“That is the worst collapse in the history of modern NFL”. Yet in your next sentence “it has just happened twice before” with the caveat “and both teams suffered significant injuries”.....a new first. You contradicted yourself one sentence apart.

What team suffered significant injuries that “collapsed” their season?


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The two other teams that matched the Steelers choke job both lost their starting qb. Do the Steelers have the biggest choke job with their starting qb
 
team’s 1977 season. That began with a trial in Texas for Ernie Holmes on a charge of cocaine possession. Then once training camp began, instead of being at Saint Vincent College coaching the team, Chuck Noll was in California defending himself against a defamation lawsuit filed by Oakland safety George Atkinson based on Noll referring to him during a 1976 news conference as a part of the NFL’s “criminal element.” During that trial, under cross-examination by Atkinson’s attorney, Noll was forced to include Joe Greene, Mel Blount, and Glen Edwards as players who also were part of the criminal element because of their own dirty play. Five days later, on July 16, Blount reacted to this by threatening to quit the Steelers, and he eventually sued Noll for $5 million. On July 21, 1977, Jack Lambert decided not to report to training camp, because he was unhappy with the salary he was to be paid in the option year of the contract he originally signed in 1974 as a rookie from Kent State. On July 22, Noll was cleared of the charges filed by Atkinson, but the day was ruined by Edwards’ announcement that he also was unhappy with his contract. On July 28, Lambert’s agent upped the ante a little bit, and this was the headline on the lead sports story in the Pittsburgh Press: “Agent tells Rooney: Jack wants traded.” Late in August, Noll named the team’s captains for the upcoming season, and when word got to Lambert that he had been bypassed, he voiced his disappointment publicly. Noll fired back in the media that Lambert didn’t deserve to be a captain because he held out all through training camp. Backup cornerback Jimmy Allen quit the team in October, but changed his mind the next day and came back. A couple of days before a game in Denver, Edwards left the team because he was unhappy with the new contract he had just signed, and he returned after the loss. Noll slipped on a patch of ice in Cincinnati and broke his arm on the night before a game against the Bengals that the Steelers lost. Imagine if there had been social media and sports-talk radio in 1977 for that circus.
 
ark steel said:
team’s 1977 season. That began with a trial in Texas for Ernie Holmes on a charge of cocaine possession. Then once training camp began, instead of being at Saint Vincent College coaching the team, Chuck Noll was in California defending himself against a defamation lawsuit filed by Oakland safety George Atkinson based on Noll referring to him during a 1976 news conference as a part of the NFL’s “criminal element.” During that trial, under cross-examination by Atkinson’s attorney, Noll was forced to include Joe Greene, Mel Blount, and Glen Edwards as players who also were part of the criminal element because of their own dirty play. Five days later, on July 16, Blount reacted to this by threatening to quit the Steelers, and he eventually sued Noll for $5 million. On July 21, 1977, Jack Lambert decided not to report to training camp, because he was unhappy with the salary he was to be paid in the option year of the contract he originally signed in 1974 as a rookie from Kent State. On July 22, Noll was cleared of the charges filed by Atkinson, but the day was ruined by Edwards’ announcement that he also was unhappy with his contract. On July 28, Lambert’s agent upped the ante a little bit, and this was the headline on the lead sports story in the Pittsburgh Press: “Agent tells Rooney: Jack wants traded.” Late in August, Noll named the team’s captains for the upcoming season, and when word got to Lambert that he had been bypassed, he voiced his disappointment publicly. Noll fired back in the media that Lambert didn’t deserve to be a captain because he held out all through training camp. Backup cornerback Jimmy Allen quit the team in October, but changed his mind the next day and came back. A couple of days before a game in Denver, Edwards left the team because he was unhappy with the new contract he had just signed, and he returned after the loss. Noll slipped on a patch of ice in Cincinnati and broke his arm on the night before a game against the Bengals that the Steelers lost. Imagine if there had been social media and sports-talk radio in 1977 for that circus.
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It's a great thing the Steelers had Noll back then, as they overcame the drama to return to a user bowl. He was right, Lambert who is as much as a Steeler as any player I can think of didn't deserve to be Captain because he held out all of camp. Did Lambert resent the Steelers? No.


We had leadership back then.
 
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