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Harrison closing it out.

Harrison interviewed after the game - https://sports.yahoo.com/james-harr...atest-veteran-bask-patriot-way-024849389.html

Deion - "What's different about this team, Man. Why do they always seem to be there in the end?"

Harrison - "It's not like anything is taken for granted. Every day it's fundamentals, and you know, it's just repetitive, repetitive - it's like being in the Army. You doing something so much that it just becomes second nature and you can do it in your sleep."

He also says he would like to come back and play in his 40s.

Thanks for posting this. I was wondering if he'd state the differences between the two organizations in how they prepare for games. He can potentially offer a huge insight into why we keep coming up short and why they keep going to the Superbowl year after year....Doubt anyone in the front office (or coaching ranks) would listen but from a fan's perspective it would be interesting to know.

While I can't stand the Pats and will be pulling for the Iggles, but if the Pats win it will be good to see Harrison get another ring. He was a hell of a player for us and based on all the information that has come out recently I have no doubt the coaching staff/front office screwed up their working relationship by not making him an active part of the team. I can't blame him for getting out of Dodge if the Steelers were not going to play him.
 
Thanks for posting this. I was wondering if he'd state the differences between the two organizations in how they prepare for games. He can potentially offer a huge insight into why we keep coming up short and why they keep going to the Superbowl year after year....Doubt anyone in the front office (or coaching ranks) would listen but from a fan's perspective it would be interesting to know.

While I can't stand the Pats and will be pulling for the Iggles, but if the Pats win it will be good to see Harrison get another ring. He was a hell of a player for us and based on all the information that has come out recently I have no doubt the coaching staff/front office screwed up their working relationship by not making him an active part of the team. I can't blame him for getting out of Dodge if the Steelers were not going to play him.

you are out of your ******* cotton pick'in mind.
 
Possibly. It's been 9 years since we've won a Super Bowl.
 
Whatever. I still feel the same way I did when he was released. Not one person in that locker room defended him. Not one. A lot of you were letting the door hit him on the way out and because the Steelers lost now you're pissed off at the Steelers and somehow now Harrison looks better in all of this? No. He can have his ring with the Pats but I'm rolling with the Steelers on this one. Not gonna sit here and **** on Tomlin and the front office over this one.
 
Harrison was credited by the announcers with two sacks where he piled on after someone else had already dragged down the QB. I guess that doesn't make for a good enough story though.

That’s laughable.
That said he made 1 play today when it counted, and had his name mentioned 2/3 times as he was late joining the party.

That's bullshit. Watch it again...Harrison beat his man cleanly on both of those plays, and was right there at the feet of Bortles, pressuring the quarterback. Exactly where he should have been the Sunday before, but wasn't...because of another stupid move by Mike Tomlin.
 
That's bullshit. Watch it again...Harrison beat his man cleanly on both of those plays, and was right there at the feet of Bortles, pressuring the quarterback. Exactly where he should have been the Sunday before, but wasn't...because of another stupid move by Mike Tomlin.

Yeah, but Dupree had such a great game ...
 
I don't know how long it's going to take for people to realize we aren't running a scheme that relies on blitzing OLBs anymore. The linebackers are dropping back into coverage a ton. We had 56 sacks. The most in franchise history.

Harrison had a half a sack at best. He piled on at the goal line and the strip sack, Bortles was already on his way down when Harrison jumped on.

Did you see him getting abused repeatedly when the Jags went to the outside? Grant didn't even see him when he went by a few times. Harrison has nothing to do as to why this Steelers team isn't in the SB.

It's unfortunate how it ended, but it is what it is. I was sick to my stomach watching him put on an AFC Championship shirt.

Still running with the same imaginary argument, I see. At least you're not outright lying to people and saying the OLBs drop back in coverage 60 percent of the time anymore...you're making some progress.

Did you see Bud Dupree getting abused repeatedly by tackles, guards, tight ends, and running backs alike? All season? Inside and outside? No? I did. You ignored my thread on the Ravens game, so I'll reprise my summary here:

The Ravens ran 31 pass plays while Dupree was in there, not including the spike. Bud dropped in coverage on 10 of those (32%). Not sure where others are pulling that infamous 60% number from, as it was about half of that in this game. 3 times he had to cover no one. Of the remaining 7 plays, he provided good coverage 4 times, 3 of those on WRs short middle, once on a TE. Once he had decent TE coverage, once he had bad TE coverage, and once a short pass was completed over his zone, so he wasn't really a factor. All it all, a pretty good performance, as he was only out of position on one play.

The 21 times he actually rushed the passer, Bud had 3 productive pressure moments, one of those when he was unblocked. On almost every other play, he was either blocked easily or took himself well behind the QB. Essentially a complete non-factor. Even on his lone tackle, he was nowhere near the QB on his rush in the middle, and thus had the ability to chase down Wallace as he slowed 12 yards downfield.

His play against the rush was even worse: Of the 21 snaps during which Baltimore ran the ball, Bud was unblocked 3 times (on 2 of those the Ravens scored TDs) and successfully blocked on the other 18 occasions. 14 times he was pretty much dominated by a tight end, twice by an OG, and twice by the FB.

Bud is effective in zone pass coverage, but his pass rush and rush defense are a joke -- of the 38 plays he was being blocked, he pressured the QB only twice, made a single hustle tackle down the field after yet another ineffective attempt to find the QB, and made exactly zero impact against the run. Pathetic
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And, I also took the time to break down Bud's snap-by-snap performance versus the Patriots:

1) 13 yard pass / chipped by HB, blocked easily by RT
2) 5 yard run / blocked easily in middle of line by HB
3) 43 yard pass / blocked behind QB by Gronk
4) 6 yard run / blocked easily by Gronk and pulling LG

5) 5 yard pass / blocked easily by LT with chip from RB

6) 11 yard pass / drops back in coverage on WR, throw to other side
7) 31 yard pass / blocked behind QB by LT
8) INC / blocked by LT
9) 7 yard pass / blocked easily by LT
10) 12 yard pass / blocked easily by LT
11) 0 yard run / blocked by RT
12) INC / blocked by LT

13) Kneel down / end of half

14) 6 yard run / blocked easily by RT
15) 22 yard pass / blocked easily by RT
16) 6 yard run / blocked easily by RT
17) 3 yard run / blocked by RT
18) 4 yard pass / blocked by LT

19) -3 run / came off block by Gronk, made tackle
20) 17 yard pass / blocked by LT
21) INC / ran around RT, got pressure from behind
22) 8 yard run / blocked easily by RG
23) INT / blocked easily by RT

24) INC / pancaked by RT

25) 3 yard run / blocked easily behind the play by LT
26) 6 yard pass / blocked easily by RT
27) 12 yard run / blocked easily by Gronk, then RT
28) 7 yard run / unblocked, missed tackle
29) INC / blocked easily inside by LT
30) 23 yard DPI penalty / easily blocked by RT
31) -7 yard sack / brief Gronk chip at line, then RT missed block, got sack

32) INC / blocked behind QB by LT
33) 26 yard pass / blocked behind QB by LT

34) Kneel down / end of game

The Patriots ran 21 pass plays when Dupree was in there. Of those, he dropped in coverage once. ONE TIME. That's not 60%, is it? It's not quite "a ton," either. That's 4.8%.

Of the 20 times Bud actually attempted to rush the passer, he was either blocked easily, blocked behind Brady completely out of the play, or pancaked 14 times. 4 other times he was just blocked. Once he managed pressure from behind the play, and once he got a sack when the right tackle missed his block. 2 quality plays out of 20.

Dupree's play against the run was equally as bad. 7 times he was blocked easily, twice just blocked, once unblocked and missed the tackle, and one tackle for a loss. 1 quality play out of 11.

31 snaps when he WAS NOT in pass coverage. 3 productive plays. Can you do that math?


I've got the remainder of the Steelers' games DVR'ed, and thanks to Mike Tomlin, I won't be watching any SB coverage for the next two weeks...I guess as long as you (and insaniti, and others) want to continue to try and bullshit this board about how the Steelers outside linebackers are dropping back in coverage most of the time, I'll continue to prove you wrong, and at the same time prove why giving away some of Harrison's snaps to a piece of crap like Bud Dupree did indeed have a great deal to do with why the Steelers aren't in the SB.
 
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Of the 20 times Bud actually attempted to rush the passer, he was either blocked easily, blocked behind Brady completely out of the play, or pancaked 14 times. 4 other times he was just blocked. Once he managed pressure from behind the play, and once he got a sack when the right tackle missed his block. 2 quality plays out of 20.

That's why I started calling him Jarvis Dupree.
 
Unfortunately Tomlin, and maybe Colbert, allowed themselves to get into a pissing contest with James and their solution was to cut him loose.
In hindsight it was immature and a stupid move on their part, especially when they had players like Big Dan that no one would have picked up, and would have been on the roster again next year.

Egg on the face for sure.

P*ts** can die in a fire, but I would enjoy watching Deebo get to Foles a few times. Not that I will be watching the game, but I'm sure I'll hear about what he does or doesn't do.
 
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Unfortunately Tomlin, and maybe Colbert, allowed themselves to get into a pissing contest with James and their solution was to cut him loose.
In hindsight it was immature and a stupid move on their part, especially when they had players like Big Dan that no one would have picked up, and would have been on the roster again next year.

Egg on the face for sure.

P*ts** can die in a fire, but I would enjoy watching Deebo get to Foles a few times. Not that I will be watching the game, but I'm sure I'll hear about what he does or doesn't do.

Naturally I will be rooting for the Eagles but a little piece of me will be happy if Deebo has a good game and gets a ring while Mikey Regular Season and Jarvis Dupree are sitting home.
 
Still running with the same imaginary argument, I see. At least you're not outright lying to people and saying the OLBs drop back in coverage 60 percent of the time anymore...you're making some progress.

You understand that you have no idea the play call, nor if they don't drop into coverage that it means they're blitzing.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...er-defensive-coordinator/stories/201711230115

Maybe if you read that you'll understand. No idea why it's such a difficult thing for you to comprehend. Harrison has speed or quickness anymore. He can't drop back into coverage. He can't seal the edge.
 
Whatever. I still feel the same way I did when he was released. Not one person in that locker room defended him. Not one. A lot of you were letting the door hit him on the way out and because the Steelers lost now you're pissed off at the Steelers and somehow now Harrison looks better in all of this? No. He can have his ring with the Pats but I'm rolling with the Steelers on this one. Not gonna sit here and **** on Tomlin and the front office over this one.

Well aren't you the world's most wonderful Steeler fan! Huzzah for you!
 
He's still essentially going to get a participation trophy.
 
Bud Gildong.

Jarvis Dupree

I went back and watched the whole second half again, he was getting swatted aside by TE's like he was made of paper. Against OT's he had 2-3 steps of pattycake then just quit, standing there. Absolutely worthless.
 
You understand that you have no idea the play call, nor if they don't drop into coverage that it means they're blitzing.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...er-defensive-coordinator/stories/201711230115

Maybe if you read that you'll understand. No idea why it's such a difficult thing for you to comprehend. Harrison has speed or quickness anymore. He can't drop back into coverage. He can't seal the edge.

So, I gave you the snap-by-snap breakdown of two December games, and your response is to show me an article written in November making excuses for the lack of an outside pass rush in the first ten games? Perhaps earlier in the season they were in coverage more. Even by the writer's own estimation: "Against the Titans last week, Dupree dropped into coverage almost as much as he rushed." Almost half is indeed higher than 32% and 5% in the two games I documented, but still nowhere close to your mythical 60% figure, was it?

I understand what I see. I can see when they're rushing the quarterback, and when they're dropping in coverage. I can see when they're in edge contain and not "blitzing." I've seen a handful of plays where they're lined up differently. I've seen a few inside stunt plays. Dupree excels in none of these areas, except coverage. He gets easily pushed behind the QB on outside rushes. He has no power on inside rushes. His run support is questionable; he misses tackles. His "edge support" is a joke, as he is either manhandled at the line, or escorted well out of the play.

Harrison can still bull rush. Harrison can still tackle and stop the run. He was, in fact, in coverage for several of his final 11 snaps with the Steelers, and did just fine.

I have no idea why you can't comprehend that even at the age of 39, James remains overall a better player than Bud Dupree, and deserved at the very least his promised snap quota of 25%. And as it appears obvious that the Steelers shifted their approach later in the season to less OLB coverage, Bud's one and only strength, Harrison's release makes even less sense...thanks for going the extra mile to prove my point.
 
Good debate, but will have to side with the Dupree sucks crowd. You need to either do the run or rush exceptionally well. He does neither. He had moments that I thought he would be solid but his play regressed. A familiar theme on the D. Which makes me want to see a D coaching overhaul before I let half of the D go.

Tuitt
Davis
Dupree

all struggled far too often

You either believe they all suck, orrrrrrr you wonder if the D coaching staff simply isn't up to the task when it matters.
 
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