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If we win out and finish tied with the bungholes for the division, who wins it? I know it goes to common opponents and points and stuff but I forget the order. Now that we are back in play for the division can someone (tmc) clear this up for me. Also I'd like to hear everyone's opinions on how dangerous we are going down the stretch. I see us as a team noone would want to play gping forward.
 
doggfather69 said:
If we win out and finish tied with the bungholes for the division, who wins it? I know it goes to common opponents and points and stuff but I forget the order. Now that we are back in play for the division can someone (tmc) clear this up for me. Also I'd like to hear everyone's opinions on how dangerous we are going down the stretch. I see us as a team noone would want to play gping forward.
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Pretty sure they do. Better conference or division record.
 
What's the exact order for the tie breakers?
 
Head to head, division, and common opponents. If we tie with them they need to lose one to Cleveland or Baltimore for us to have a shot.
 
You never heard of Google?


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=tiebreakers

PLAYOFF SEEDING CRITERIA

The six postseason participants from each conference will now be seeded as follows:

1. The division champion with the best record.
2. The division champion with the second-best record.
3. The division champion with the third-best record.
4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.
5. The wild-card team with the best record.
6. The wild-card team with the second-best record.

The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.
NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both teams.

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more teams in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two teams
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the teams).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

Three or more teams
(Note: If two teams remain tied after the third step or other teams are eliminated during any step, tiebreaker reverts to step 1 of the two-team format.)
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the teams).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two wild-card teams from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1. If the tied teams are from the same division, apply division tiebreaker.
2. If the tied teams are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two teams
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.

Three or more teams
(Note: If two teams remain tied after the third step or other teams are eliminated, tiebreaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-team format.)
1. Apply division tiebreaker to eliminate all but the highest-ranked team in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tiebreaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two wild-card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one team has defeated each of the others or if one team has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss.

When the first wild-card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second wild card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked team in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tiebreaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a wild-card berth.

OTHER TIEBREAKING PROCEDURES
1. Only one team advances to the playoffs in any tiebreaking step. Remaining tied teams revert to the first step of the applicable division or wild-card tiebreakers. As an example, if two teams remain tied in any tiebreaker step after all other teams have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-team format to determine the winner. When one team wins the tiebreaker, all other teams revert to step 1 of the applicable two-team or three-team format.
2. In comparing division and conference records or records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor since teams may have played an unequal number of games.
3. To determine home-field priority among division titlists, apply wild-card tiebreakers.
4. To determine home-field priority for wild-card qualifiers, apply division tiebreakers (if teams are from the same division) or wild-card tiebreakers (if teams are from different divisions).
5. To determine the best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed, add a team's position in the two categories, and the lowest score wins. For example, if Team A is first in points scored and second in points allowed, its combined ranking is 3. If Team B is third in points scored and first in points allowed, its combined ranking is 4. Team A then wins the tiebreaker. If two teams are tied for a position, both teams are awarded the ranking as if they held it solely. For example, if Team A and Team B are tied for first in points scored, each team is assigned a ranking of 1 in that category, and if Team C is third, its ranking will still be 3.
 
Spike, thanks for the insight. It's not that complicated. How far down the list has anyone here remeber it having to go, for a tie breaker involving the STEELERS ?



Salute the nation
 
Thank you for the answer. Without Flacco and foresette there is no way they lose to the rats. So let's hope johnny football has the game of his life against them.
 
Steelerfan81 said:
Head to head, division, and common opponents. If we tie with them they need to lose one to Cleveland or Baltimore for us to have a shot.
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We need them to lose both, lose one and it goes to conference record, and all 4 of our losses are vs. AFC. They would only have 3.
 
Unfortunately we don't control our own destiny in the division as of now

But we definitely do for the Wild Card

Just hoping the team is looking one game at a time, knowing that each individual game should be treated as a must-win
 
Seattle is going to be a very tough win in their house. Their O has picked it up big time the last 2 weeks. That makes them very dangerous now. They didn't look so good a few weeks ago. We will need our A game to win.
 
Yea we will need our A game vs Seattle. I'm not looking past anyone but I was just wondering what the current tie breakers were. The Nfl seems to change things every year and I coach at the high school level and our tie breakers are different. I would love to have more time to be on here but coaching and watching film durring the wpial quad a season takes alot of my time. Seattle is not unbeatable and if we are on our game, we will be just fine.
 
We would have to win out with Cincy losing three, or four if we drop one. I do not see a reasonable scenario where we win the division on tie breakers. We will have to have a better overall record to win it.
This is not impossible but unlikely. All this would be changed with just having beat Cincy the first time.
 
IMHO to win the division, the Steelers would have to win out. That is 12-4 with a 11-3 common opponent record (Bengals are currently 7-1 vs common opponents). If tied with the Bengals at the end of year, to win the division they have to lose to us, and Baltimore or Cleveland for us to go to common opponents. Personally I think the Bengals get 3 more wins this season, which should have them winning the division.

With a 12-4 record, it should be good for a #2 seed and bye, since I feel Denver is imploding QB wise. Manning is done, he's not a cold weather QB, and the weather is only getting colder, so I can see them finishing 11-5 or 10-6.
 
Cope said:
IMHO to win the division, the Steelers would have to win out. That is 12-4 with a 11-3 common opponent record (Bengals are currently 7-1 vs common opponents). If tied with the Bengals at the end of year, to win the division they have to lose to us, and Baltimore or Cleveland for us to go to common opponents. Personally I think the Bengals get 3 more wins this season, which should have them winning the division.

With a 12-4 record, it should be good for a #2 seed and bye, since I feel Denver is imploding QB wise. Manning is done, he's not a cold weather QB, and the weather is only getting colder, so I can see them finishing 11-5 or 10-6.
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It is not like we have ever lost to Denver in Colorado, during a playoff game or anything
 
We lose to **** teams! lets not get to excited about ravens...they will play us tough and our coaches and players will take them lightly
 
This ain't Madden Dynasty....just ******* beat Seattle and go from there


Can I get an amen?
 
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Does anyone on this thread *really* believe the Steelers will go 12-4? The results the past couple of weekends show. there's so much mediocrity that you really have to be special to win consistently. Seattle, Denver are two teams that provide the biggest challenge. Seattle, where the Steelers are 1-6 all time, and Denver, which inexplicably owns a 7-5 record all time @Pitt. They have enough to out talent Indy, Balt and Browns provided they can stay healthy, which is no given this year. The Bengal game will prob' determine their fate. I see 10-6 as a best case scenario which will be good enough for #5 seed.
 
doggfather69 said:
If we win out and finish tied with the bungholes for the division, who wins it? I know it goes to common opponents and points and stuff but I forget the order. Now that we are back in play for the division can someone (tmc) clear this up for me. Also I'd like to hear everyone's opinions on how dangerous we are going down the stretch. I see us as a team noone would want to play gping forward.
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Wishful thinking. 10-6 is realistic. 11-5 if we're VERY lucky. We are notorious for squandering opportunity - look no further than our two AFC North loses.
 
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