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ESPN Monday Night Football Diversity

CharlesDavenport said:
No. It is an obvious fact. It undermines your credibility to argue that.
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You think an "Irma telethon" is political? Helping victims of a disaster is a liberal thing?

How often do you see Curt Schilling, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Tomi Lahren, etc. popping up in every situation and trying to make it about "libruhls" and what not? Come on, man. Get out of your bubble. Seeing the world thru your own lens != facts
 
AggieSteel said:
You think an "Irma telethon" is political? Helping victims of a disaster is a liberal thing?

How often do you see Curt Schilling, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Tomi Lahren, etc. popping up in every situation and trying to make it about "libruhls" and what not? Come on, man. Get out of your bubble. Seeing the world thru your own lens != facts
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No it shouldn't be, but the libs turned it into one. You are arguing against yourself.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
No it shouldn't be, but the libs turned it into one. You are arguing against yourself.
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Then I don't know what you're even talking about. So you may be right about someone politicizing it, which would be very wrong I agree. People do that, for sure. But to act like conservative pundits do not also inject their nonsense into non-political topics is putting your head in the sand, and showing extreme bias (which is not "factual"), at the very least. This very thread in which we are debating exists because of that very phenomenon.
 
There's nothing wrong with trying to have the announcing crew be a little more diverse, and trying things. It's been a majority white club since football's inception to broadcasting.

The problem was the execution. You make sure your bilingual announcer, has a fluent grasp and diction of both languages, before putting them in front of a national audience.
 
A person should be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. As long as it isn't a white guy.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
Clearly.
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Gee sorry I don't sit around scouring the news for every story someone might mention during a debate on a message board. That being said, how bout you address the rest of the post? Just like the other guy, focus on the least relevant part of the entire post and ignore the actual substance of it. Cool
 
Spike said:
Oh like they all don't shoot off their mouths



ESPN Reprimands Jemele Hill For Calling Trump ‘White Supremacist’

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/espn-jemele-hill-trumo-white-supremacist-1202556517/

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here we go



Curt Schilling: ESPN’s Jemele Hill ‘Has Always Been a Racist’

https://www.mediaite.com/online/cur...ty-that-jemele-hill-has-always-been-a-racist/
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Except that Curt Schilling and Mike Ditka got fired for their opinions and Jemele Hill got a "reprimand".
 
AggieSteel said:
Gee sorry I don't sit around scouring the news for every story someone might mention during a debate on a message board. That being said, how bout you address the rest of the post? Just like the other guy, focus on the least relevant part of the entire post and ignore the actual substance of it. Cool
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You did the same thing. Answer the question. Was that guy the most qualified person to be doing that job ?
 
SCSteeler4life said:
You did the same thing. Answer the question. Was that guy the most qualified person to be doing that job ?
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On the prior page..
AggieSteel said:
And I think you are confused on what is a "fact". Had ESPN said "we did this for the sake of diversity" then it would be a fact. You are, once again, seeing the world thru the lens of "your intentions". ESPN may have seen a future up-and-coming star in Sergio Dipp but then the moment ended up being too big for him. He's been employed with ESPN for four years, so obviously they saw something in the kid. How could anyone have predicted such a huge embarrassing failure? Your opinion that this was about "diversity only" assumes they KNEW how bad he was before they put him on the air, which makes very little sense. Why would any company do that? They MIGHT have, which would be a stupid decision, but there are many reasons why they wouldn't do that, so to just assert that they did is an ASSUMPTION and an OPINION that is based on your inherently conservative leaning, NOT based on facts.
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ESPN is in the money making business. They're not going to put unqualified people on the air. The kid fumbled his opportunity but there is a 0% chance ESPN threw him out there not thinking he was ready for it. Was he the MOST qualified? 1) We are not to say - we do not know what ESPN's management saw or did not see in Sergio Dipp. 2) It might not matter. Entertainment is about making stars that attract ratings, not just pure technical talent. They thought he was the best option for that spot, period. He blew it.

Could it have been a 'diversity' move? Sure. But we don't know that for a 'fact' which is the point I am addressing. You can say it 'seems' like it. But for the above reasons, you cannot say it is a 'fact'.

And NONE of this is relevant to the overall point of whether this is, or is not, a football thread. It could have been the most blatant and ridiculous 'diversity' move in the history of affirmative action, and it STILL doesn't make this a football thread.
 
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Ron Burgundy said:
Except that Curt Schilling and Mike Ditka got fired for their opinions and Jemele Hill got a "reprimand".
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/simple-explanation-why-espn-did-172300724.html

From the article: Hill was not fired because this was the first time she violated ESPN's rules on discussing politics. Schilling was fired because he had been warned repeatedly to stop and did not.

^^ Sounds kinda like...... the opposite of what that other poster was saying....

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And if you need more evidence.. from the same article..
In 2015, Schilling was suspended from the network for posting a meme to Twitter comparing Muslim extremists to Nazis. Schilling later apologized for the tweet and called it a "bad decision" and "100% my fault."

Six months later, Schilling said during an interview that then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton should be "buried under a jail somewhere," in reference to her email scandal.

That came shortly after ESPN had issued a company-wide directive telling employees to refrain from "political editorializing, personal attacks or 'drive-by' comments regarding the candidates and their campaigns." ESPN said they looked into the comments, but did not discipline Schilling. He later said the email had ended up in his spam folder.

Just one month later, Schilling was fired when he shared a Facebook post in response to the North Carolina law that bars transgender people from using bathrooms that do not correspond to their gender of birth.

If Hill does not heed the warning from ESPN, presumably she will suffer the same fate as Schilling. But until she shows that she is a recidivist like Schilling, it is an apples and oranges comparison.

Still, Hill will continue to be used as more evidence that ESPN has a liberal bias even though ESPN has also, among other things, twice divorced frequent Trump-basher Keith Olbermann, has increased the on-air presence of conservative columnist Will Cain, made Sage Steele the face of "SportsCenter," and re-hired Hank Williams Jr. to perform the opening song for "Monday Night Football."

The truth is the opposite. ESPN tries hard to be apolitical — the email Schilling says he never saw is just one example — and this latest incident is exactly why: ESPN can't win when the faces of their networks dive head-first into political discussions.
 
She should have been canned.
 
AggieSteel said:
You think an "Irma telethon" is political? Helping victims of a disaster is a liberal thing?

How often do you see Curt Schilling, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Tomi Lahren, etc. popping up in every situation and trying to make it about "libruhls" and what not? Come on, man. Get out of your bubble. Seeing the world thru your own lens != facts
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So did you catch the Emmys?
 
AggieSteel said:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/simple-explanation-why-espn-did-172300724.html

From the article: Hill was not fired because this was the first time she violated ESPN's rules on discussing politics. Schilling was fired because he had been warned repeatedly to stop and did not.

^^ Sounds kinda like...... the opposite of what that other poster was saying....

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The first time Jemelle got political? That's a joke that just further proves the point. ESPN agrees with Hill's liberal slant so they don't even register most of her comments as political. But the audience does.
 
AggieSteel said:
The fact that you pulled out a side note from parentheses as the only part of my post that you answered tells me everything I need to know. Even if your statement is true, it doesn't make this a football thread. The belief that "if enough people in here agree with me, it must be a football thread" is flawed logic.


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I would have been OK with Kaepernick threads staying in Football forum, but there's still a big difference. The Kap thread quickly became a debate on the core political issues of him taking a knee,

This thread is still mostly focused on the issue of ESPN. I have not seen much debate on what Hill actually said, just debate about how ESPN treats people differently and how they are now clearly putting people on air for reasons other than them being the best sports broadcaster they could find for that job.

That's why i feel this thread is still not political. Because the core complaint is the ESPN is ruining our sports by shoving non sports in our face.
 
ESPN is a broadcasting business. They can put whomever they wish in the booth or on the field for whatever reasons they choose. The best candidate is who they feel is best for whatever reasons they believe are best.

You did the same thing. Answer the question. Was that guy the most qualified person to be doing that job?
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You sound to me like you're looking for "fair" That's a carnival in August. In the corporate world you get hired not for what you can do, but for who you know. Yes. ESPN has an agenda. No ****. You, as a consumer can either deal with it, or not. That's a choice. What you don't need to do is ***** about it endlessly.

Who's NOT to blame? Sergio Dipp. He got a ******* job. He took it. He didn't do too well, but tough ****. If you dislike the ESPN reporting and broadcasters THAT badly, don't watch. If enough people do that, they'll make a change. Honest to God they will. Because they're a business and they are ALL about making money and that means a marketable product.

But allow me to make this very clear. Bitching on an internet message board about some goofy kid to didn't do too well on his broadcasting debut dream job... That's not going to have much of an effect aside from life-sucking the rest of us. Positivity people. Focus on positivity. In case you haven't noticed the world is going to hell, are you part of the problem or part of the solution or are you sitting at a desk *****-typing about it?
 
How's that keyboard treatin' you Charles. ;- )
 
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