Dupree - buy or sell?
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I'd sign him to a cap-friendly contract but I'm figuring we won't be able to afford him and want to avoid another Lamar Woodley. Pass.
I would make him a serious offer. If he continues the way he is playing, he may get top 5 money. I'd offer him top 10 money and paint the picture that the grass isn't always greener and that Watt is (and he definitely is) making him a better player.
Let him walk, he's been here 5 seasons, and suddenly when he's playing for a contract he shows up. To much to tag, and you can't sink 11-13 million per in him, when you'd like to find another WR, you'll have Watt and Minkah to pay soon.
Probably franchise him to see what another year brings
We will have roughly $27M in freed cap space to work with next year. Saying that, I'd give him a fair offer. If he likes his players and coaches, he should want to stay. Him and Watt could be special if they can keep up their pace. I wouldn't overpay for him, though.
The cap will continue to go up in value each year.
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Put me down for that boat ride
Agreed, and if he was putting up good seasons prior to this one it would be one thing, but the guy has been invisible for 4 seasons, now there's money on the line, he shows up. IMO I can't give a guy like that big money and a big chunk of my cap to.
We need to find another WR, I'm not sure if McDonald is the answer at TE, he looks hurt or it's just Mason can't get him the ball. I'd rather try to pay Hilton and Hargrave instead of giving Dupree big money.
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Obviously don't break the POPcorn popper but be sure to put JUST BARELY enough butter on it to establish a great taste.
BUD is worth a hard look and value.
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Obviously don't break the POPcorn popper but be sure to put JUST BARELY enough butter on it to establish a great taste.
BUD is worth a hard look and value.
Salute the nation
McDonald is a FA after this season. I'd be interested if they let him walk with Vannett in the mix.
I haven't seen anything from Vannett, like I said, maybe Mason just can't find the TE, but this is a passing league, we need a receiving threat at TE. From what I've heard/read Vannett is a good blocking TE. What do we do at RB? Conner is in year 3 of 4 of his rookie contract, he can't stay healthy, Samuels is a receiving RB, I don't think he can carry the load.
If Ben is going to be healthy next year, we can't go into next year with Vannett at TE, an RB that can't stay healthy, Snell in year #2.
I'm letting Bud walk, use that money to try to add some pieces to this offense and make a run next season.
Mcdonald is a walk free agent. Vannett is a decent back up but definitely not a starter. You let Dupree go and now you've got to find a WR, TE, RB and OLB. I'm also thinking we need at upgrade at NT as I do not like Hargrave there at all.
RB you say? Not sold on Conner as a long term answer there. He's injury prone and fumbles too much. We're going to be forced to sign Dupree long term so we can address the other needs via the draft and in free agency.
What is a fair offer?
I can't put my finger on our TEs. It could be Mason not finding them, not sure. VM did drop a few on Sunday, but MR threw some passes behind them, as well.
Connor is a good complimentary back, but so is Samuels. We don't have a pounder, that wears down a defense. Is that Snell? Too early to tell. I'd love a Chubb-type of running back with Connor still in the mix. His injuries and fumbling is a concern.
Connor is a good complimentary back, but so is Samuels. We don't have a pounder, that wears down a defense. Is that Snell? Too early to tell. I'd love a Chubb-type of running back with Connor still in the mix. His injuries and fumbling is a concern.
Amazing year, one year. So did he finally “get it” did he go and buy some Ray Ray deer penis stuff, or is it the whole package, meaning the folks around him are making everyone better.
I can also see him getting the loot and getting slow and fat
I can also see him getting the loot and getting slow and fat
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Sorry Coryea I am going to disagree. Keep Bud absolutely. He has been getting better every year it is not just this year. Sure he is playing for a contract but it isn't like effort has ever been his problem, it has been technique. I think you may be overlooking the coaching factor as there was a change this year that could be having as much or more impact as saying it is a contract year. Unless it is crazy money I think you have to keep him. To many unknowns in drafting.
IDK, what is the going rate for a starting LB in the NFL, 3 yrs, $36M?
Suggesting he is "playing for a contract" is saying he has had the skills/ability but chose not to apply them till he got paid. Basically, that is attacking his desire. I don't talk to the guy or see him daily so I don't know for certain, but I just don't see that. I see a guy who was a known project from the start and the light has finally gone off and he is balling at a high level. 34 OLBs don't grow on trees so if you do let him go, you either have to sign someone else (who will cost big bones) that doesn't know our system or you have to draft someone and start the development cycle over again. Besides, we aren't giving him another contract based on what he did or didn't do two years ago but rather what we believe he will do for us during the term of the next contract. There is every reason to believe that will be good stuff based upon his current trajectory.
Will be become the next Fat Cat Woodley? Why do anyone think he will do what LW did? The only thing i can see is guilt by association - both OLB's for the Steelers. There is no cause-effect relationship between LW and BD so take Bud for his own merits and not what someone years ago did. Is there anything you have seen to indicate Bud is not working hard and taking care of himself in the offseason? If you think that is why he struggled his first few seasons, that is a fair position although I won't agree with it.
I see a guy who is balling out right now in a position that is hard to develop and fill. Was he sluggish getting there? Yes. Does that mean he will suddenly stop because contract? Nope. Given the rest of the team situation and draft picks, I don't see how you don't try to resign the guy. I also think the guy would be foolish to not want to test the market. He is going to make bank if he hits FA.
Will be become the next Fat Cat Woodley? Why do anyone think he will do what LW did? The only thing i can see is guilt by association - both OLB's for the Steelers. There is no cause-effect relationship between LW and BD so take Bud for his own merits and not what someone years ago did. Is there anything you have seen to indicate Bud is not working hard and taking care of himself in the offseason? If you think that is why he struggled his first few seasons, that is a fair position although I won't agree with it.
I see a guy who is balling out right now in a position that is hard to develop and fill. Was he sluggish getting there? Yes. Does that mean he will suddenly stop because contract? Nope. Given the rest of the team situation and draft picks, I don't see how you don't try to resign the guy. I also think the guy would be foolish to not want to test the market. He is going to make bank if he hits FA.
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Not sure where everyone is getting this rosy idea that the Steelers have any cap room next year
Evaluating Pittsburgh's Future Salary Cap Woes Heading Into 2020
Whether you're for or against the signing of Dupree, one fact simply cannot be ignored: The Steelers don't exactly have the money to sign Dupree... or a handful of their potential free agents for that matter.
Granted, the 2019 season is nowhere close to being finished, and thus I understand why some will be quick to shy away from looking into the magical crystal ball of the off-season. However, both ourselves and the team would be remiss in our evaluations if we don't recognize a huge red flag to the team's success in 2020 and further.
Who Stays, Who Goes?
As it currently stands, the Steelers have 21 players of various restrictions set to hit free agency following the 2019 season.
Notable restricted free agents: Matt Feiler and Mike Hilton.
Notable unrestricted free agents: B.J. Finney, Artie Burns, Ryan Shazier, Bud Dupree, Sean Davis, Javon Hargrave, and Nick Vannett.
The Steelers are projected to have $6.1 million in cap space (fourth-lowest in the NFL) heading into 2020.
This figure works under the assumption that the NFL's salary cap will reach $200 million, and also includes $8.3 million from draft pick salaries, a figure that may go down if the Steelers decide to trade one of nine projected picks in the 2020 NFL Draft.
However, even if we decide to push the cap up to $10 million after twisting some numbers, the Steelers still find themselves in hot water when it comes to retaining some of their most coveted players after this season. $6.1 million or $10 million doesn't appear to be enough cap room for Pittsburgh, a team that will only have 39 active players on payroll after this year.
https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/gm-report/pittsburgh-steelers-salary-cap-2020/
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meanwhile
Steelers Still Unlikely To Retain Dupree In 2020 Despite Impressive 2019 Season
Basically, Dupree would likely expect a multiyear deal that had a new money average of around $17 million, which is almost twice what he earned in 2018. Is he worth that much money for one very good season?
Temporary or not, the Steelers would have a rough time accommodating a Dupree 2020 cap charge of $16.266 million. Keep in mind that the team will seemingly need to cut a few players such as wide receiver Donte Moncrief, inside linebacker Mark Barron, outside linebacker Anthony Chickillo prior to the start of the league year in March regardless of what they decide to do with Dupree. The cutting of those three players would clear a much-needed $14.25 million salary cap space prior to roster displacement taking place and I can’t see that freed up money being used on a tag for Dupree.
A new contract for defensive end Cameron Heyward might clear another $3 million in cap space or so that will be needed and there’s a good chance that tackle Alejandro Villanueva, wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster and running back James Conner all sign extensions at some point during the 2020 offseason.
How can you give Dupree $16 million or more a season when you have Villanueva only earning $5 million in 2020?
Yes, it would be nice if the Steelers could manage to find a way to keep Dupree past 2020 but it just doesn’t seem likely to happen. Placing either the franchise or transition tag on Dupree doesn’t make a lot of sense and assuming neither instrument is used, Dupree will test free agency and likely find a team willing to pay him around $16 million a season or more.
He, Jadeveon Clowney, Dante Fowler, Jr., Whitney Mercilus, Shaquil Barrett and Markus Golden are all likely to cash in next March.
The only way that Dupree likely returns to Pittsburgh in 2020 would be via an under-market deal and only after not receiving a favorable response during the first few weeks of free agency. When was the last time a higher-priced unrestricted free agent re-signed back in Pittsburgh after the start of free agency? That sort of thing just doesn’t happen.
https://Invalid Link - Check SN Hom...upree-in-2020-despite-impressive-2019-season/
Evaluating Pittsburgh's Future Salary Cap Woes Heading Into 2020
Whether you're for or against the signing of Dupree, one fact simply cannot be ignored: The Steelers don't exactly have the money to sign Dupree... or a handful of their potential free agents for that matter.
Granted, the 2019 season is nowhere close to being finished, and thus I understand why some will be quick to shy away from looking into the magical crystal ball of the off-season. However, both ourselves and the team would be remiss in our evaluations if we don't recognize a huge red flag to the team's success in 2020 and further.
Who Stays, Who Goes?
As it currently stands, the Steelers have 21 players of various restrictions set to hit free agency following the 2019 season.
Notable restricted free agents: Matt Feiler and Mike Hilton.
Notable unrestricted free agents: B.J. Finney, Artie Burns, Ryan Shazier, Bud Dupree, Sean Davis, Javon Hargrave, and Nick Vannett.
The Steelers are projected to have $6.1 million in cap space (fourth-lowest in the NFL) heading into 2020.
This figure works under the assumption that the NFL's salary cap will reach $200 million, and also includes $8.3 million from draft pick salaries, a figure that may go down if the Steelers decide to trade one of nine projected picks in the 2020 NFL Draft.
However, even if we decide to push the cap up to $10 million after twisting some numbers, the Steelers still find themselves in hot water when it comes to retaining some of their most coveted players after this season. $6.1 million or $10 million doesn't appear to be enough cap room for Pittsburgh, a team that will only have 39 active players on payroll after this year.
https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/gm-report/pittsburgh-steelers-salary-cap-2020/
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meanwhile
Steelers Still Unlikely To Retain Dupree In 2020 Despite Impressive 2019 Season
Basically, Dupree would likely expect a multiyear deal that had a new money average of around $17 million, which is almost twice what he earned in 2018. Is he worth that much money for one very good season?
Temporary or not, the Steelers would have a rough time accommodating a Dupree 2020 cap charge of $16.266 million. Keep in mind that the team will seemingly need to cut a few players such as wide receiver Donte Moncrief, inside linebacker Mark Barron, outside linebacker Anthony Chickillo prior to the start of the league year in March regardless of what they decide to do with Dupree. The cutting of those three players would clear a much-needed $14.25 million salary cap space prior to roster displacement taking place and I can’t see that freed up money being used on a tag for Dupree.
A new contract for defensive end Cameron Heyward might clear another $3 million in cap space or so that will be needed and there’s a good chance that tackle Alejandro Villanueva, wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster and running back James Conner all sign extensions at some point during the 2020 offseason.
How can you give Dupree $16 million or more a season when you have Villanueva only earning $5 million in 2020?
Yes, it would be nice if the Steelers could manage to find a way to keep Dupree past 2020 but it just doesn’t seem likely to happen. Placing either the franchise or transition tag on Dupree doesn’t make a lot of sense and assuming neither instrument is used, Dupree will test free agency and likely find a team willing to pay him around $16 million a season or more.
He, Jadeveon Clowney, Dante Fowler, Jr., Whitney Mercilus, Shaquil Barrett and Markus Golden are all likely to cash in next March.
The only way that Dupree likely returns to Pittsburgh in 2020 would be via an under-market deal and only after not receiving a favorable response during the first few weeks of free agency. When was the last time a higher-priced unrestricted free agent re-signed back in Pittsburgh after the start of free agency? That sort of thing just doesn’t happen.
https://Invalid Link - Check SN Hom...upree-in-2020-despite-impressive-2019-season/
He hasn't been getting better, he's basically been average every year, stayed relatively the same. 4.5 sacks, 4 sacks, 6 sacks, 5.5 sacks. I won't be pissed if we sign him, but you can't blame coaching on one hand, then on the other say he's been getting better every year, that would imply the previous coach was doing his job. Watt had that same coach and has been productive from day 1. I don't put a ton of stock in positional coaches in the NFL. Did Minkah suddenly get coached up in 1 week once he got to Pittsburgh.
We talk a lot of **** here about Tombert but this is a decision where they earn their salary. I'm completely 50/50 on this one. The truth is fair contract does not exist. Only his market. And his market will be strong cause there is always someone with tons of cap room who will grab a guy like this. Safest is probably a franchise tag and maybe use a 2nd or a 3rd on an edge rusher.
Ouch! I like Bud and would hate to lose him but NFW they pay him $17mm/year. I'd cap it at what he's making now on the Franchise Tag. Best of luck to him on the open market.