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Depth Chart / Needs for the Draft

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inspired by FordFairLane's Big Board thread I dared to do a depth chart with grades on the players, starters and depth with the purpose of looking at real needs the team has. I know it's popular to want to draft a RB/WR with the first available pick at 2.49, heck I want one of those too but there might be pressing needs to complete the roster. I'm sharing the statsheet with a few notes on each position to understand my train of thought and to make a plan for the upcoming draft:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M0jYylc8V-MmIeE6znFvm2PuRL3XHBj8TqmR6bq6qYg/edit?usp=sharing

So, the first thing I see is that pretty much every starting position is set though some could be improved, especially in the Offense where there are some question marks. Let's begin with the first question mark I found:
- RB: Conner has the talent to start and be a Star while doing it but the big question is "can he stay healthy?" Benny Snell proved he can carry the load to compliment but don't expect much more form him, he is a battering ram but he lacks speed and elusiveness to be a real threat. Samuels can catch out of the backfield and not much more, Whyte has speed and can contribute as a change os pace back. So depth is not really needed because there are more than enough backup guys in the locker, this takes me to a conclusion, give me a plug and play starter with Pro Bowl potential in this draft or give me nothing at all, I don't want another Snell (yes I'm refering to Dillon) or another speedy guy with a lot of question marks like Whyte. We are looking for the whole package or nothing. Candidates: Swift, Dobbins, Taylor, Edwards Helayre, that's it. Other guys like Akers and Moss won't be inmediate starters here.

- WR: the team could add talent to the roster, especially one with speed that specialyzes in being a deep threat but there's not really a need for one to start as Juju is a WR1 and we have two emerging kids that can take over WR2 and even snag #1 place from Juju if he starts slow again. I'd only consider a true #1 that has fallen at 2.49 Jefferson, Reagor, Higgins, Shenault and only if BPA against other positions of inmediate need. There's enough depth in the draft to snag a good prospect late i nthe 4th round and even later on.

- LT/RT: talent is just ok, Villy and Feiler are decent starters but not much more, it definitely could be improved but it isn't a true need, also there's depth with starting experience in Chuck and Banner. So unless 1st round talent falls I don't see it happening early in the draft or at all. By 1st round talent, for the record I'm talking about Andrew Thomas, Josh Jones, Austin Jackson. Any of those guys could push to start at RT moving Feiler inside, which takes us to the next position of real Need:

- G: here we have an elite talent in DeCastro and a vet with a shitload of experience at high level in Wisniewski though he is no spring chicken and is limited in the athletic department so improvement to the starting spot can be done and it doesn't need to be done at 2.49. We could get a guy that pushes for minutes at the 3rd or 4th round in Lemieux, Brederson, Lewis, Muti, Sternberg in no particular order, whoever falls to 4th round. Also we have no depth here so any decent rookie is very welcomed

- C: here we have a probowl level player that has a few issues last season and has threatened to quit when Big Ben retires, also he tends to miss a couple of games due to injury every season. Wisniewski is even better qualified to play Center than Guard so depth at the position is a non issue per se, the problem is that it leaves a huge hole at LG if Feiler is starting at RT. So what's my great plan for all this moving chairs? Draft the top Center of the 2020 draft crop in Cesar Ruiz if he happens to be there because even with Pouncey healthy the rookie could fight for the starting LG spot thus ensuring depth at 2 critical positions with just one player, he seems to be that good, a true heir apparent to Pouncey following the great franchise Centers tradition the Steelers have. If he is not there then 3rd round or 4th round are in play for Cushenberry, Biadasz, Hennesy, Harris but if a top Guard is taken, like those named previously then a true Center might be discarded knowing Wisniewski is there ti back up in case of emergency.

Now on to the defense, which looks way better in the starting department but has serious depth issues in comparison:
- DT: I Don't care what anyone else thinks, Wormley is a run stopper DT and he can play inside in the 3-4 between Heyward and Tuitt, I dare other teams to run against that fornt 3 with Vince Williams behind plugging holes like there's no tomorrow. There's also depth with Alualu who played the position and held his own. Buggs can be in play for the position too. So only a late pick could interest me, hopefully Benito Jones is available in the 6th or 7th and there's no other similar talent player in a real position of need

- OLB: so we have a super star and a break out player starting, that's amazing. The ugly part is that there's zero depth as Ola Adeniyi hasn't proven anything due to injuries and Skip´per is just a project too. ALso Bud Dupree might be a multimillion player for another jersey come next spring so depth here is needed to prepare for next season, 3rd or 4th round prospects that might become starters in the near future: Okwara, Uche, Anae, Greenard, Kareem. Seriously I think we are drafting an OLB somewhere in the mid rounds.

- ILB: same as before, we have a break out player that might be a pilar of this defense along with Watt and Minkah for years to come, then we have thumper Vinny Williams who isn't getting any younger and is limited in coverage and lateral agility which is the bread and butter of today's NFL. After that Gilbert who is a good prospect but still just a project that hasn't proven anything in a regular game. So, zero depth in a position that start Two guys in about 70% of total snaps with the 2 DL front Nickel and the 3-4. We might be seeing an ILB taken from the 3rd round on, if a guy like Davis-Gaither, Gay Jr, Weaver or Harrison is there. Mid round prospects are Bachie, Bailey, Wilson or the versatile Muse a bit later on if the team somehow grabs a 5th rounder. Personally I'd like a 5th or 6th round invested in the position, whoever of those guys that falls.

- CB: a matter of depth and thinking on the future, Hilton will leave next season for more money, Haden is 31 years old, Sutton could start at the nickel next season but who will take Haden's spot? Given the terrible track record of the Steelers drafting the position and the great success they have had recently with him and Nelson in Free Agency we might see the FO looking there for a future starter. So, again, only if top talent falls to the 3rd I don't see it happening. Drafting another project would mean they are giving up on Layne and I think it's too early for that, maybe they take a flyer in the 7th round.

- Safety in general has zero depth, Minkah is a true Star and Edmunds is just ok, hopefully he makes a leap next to such a great talent but even if he does there's literally no one there to play some snaps if needed, Dangerfield doesn't get enough respect, and won't be getting it either outside of special teams play. Ideally we are looking for a FS as we know Minkah could move to SS without missing a bit but I trust Edmunds at FS as much as I trust the Cookie Monster to watch out for my cookie jar while I go to the john. We need to draft a Safety in mid rounds, possible candidates are Gilman, Stone Brandon Jones, Reed, Dorn, Fuller or Khaleke Hudson as a rover Safety.

So that's it, based on all that info, depending on how the draft falls I'd be picking with priority towards C/G, RB, OT, then S, OLB, ILB, WR. I know there are only 6 picks and of those only 4 are top 150 with none in the 1st round, I know we won't be able to address all the needs remarked here but we are definitely tackling those where BPA drops.

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EXCELLENT POST LITOS. Thank You for the insight. Josh Jone's may fall to us (doubtful), do you take him if so?

Ever since Coolie mentioned Jones I've investigated him and find it quite possible he could fall to us. I've seen him climb and drop and climb, pending on who you listen too. Of late he is 1st round projection.

I'm looking forward to see how this all plays out and once again great job Litos.






Salute the nation
 
Nice write up Litos
Very thorough and well presented.
I agree with a lot of your positions.
RB--- agree only an elite that can take over #1 spot ... being considered at 2.49.... I do like the other names mentioned but it can wait until later on ( I think this is Conner's last year no matter how he performs)
WR-- like you said it would have to be someone special to pull the trigger at 2.49 ....... options much later on in the deep class
LT/RT-- I don't see any of the 3 you mentioned lasting to us at 2.49 ....... and I think the value drops off at that point
G--- no true standout.... group of names you list too soon for me at 2.49....... John Simpson I would put ahead of the guys you mentioned... roadgrader size
C-- Cesar Ruiz seems to be a very favourable frontrunner to be our pick if still there........ start LG and then push Pouncey out down the road ..... I would upgrade Cushenberry higher than what you have him
DT-- I doubt we see something worthy of a 2nd round pick....... like your option late round
OLB-- concentrated on DEF for years .......time to address the OFF..... but unless they sign Dupree... I agree it will be addressed by the 4th round
ILB--- 4th round with a S hybrid being a consideration
CB-- top guys aren't making it to the mid 2nd .... so I address this next year when we have more draft capital or in FA
S-- somewhere we add..... maybe we use a 2021 pick to garner another pick this year if there is someone of interest available 4th-5th round

grandkids say .....don't be dissing the cookie monster .......ever
 
EXCELLENT POST LITOS. Thank You for the insight. Josh Jone's may fall to us (doubtful), do you take him if so?

Ever since Coolie mentioned Jones I've investigated him and find it quite possible he could fall to us. I've seen him climb and drop and climb, pending on who you listen too. Of late he is 1st round projection.

I'm looking forward to see how this all plays out and once again great job Litos.






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thanks for reading it, I think I would grab him if he is there, a potential Top Tackle is always a must. Of course there's a reason he might be falling, from what I read though he has a high ceiling, his floor is kind of low. Still with so much physical talent, size and demeanor to be a one man wrecking crew in the run game and the tools to improve the pass protection side of his job there's no reason the kid can't be a future solid starter for any NFL team as long as he gets developed.
 
Nice write up Litos
Very thorough and well presented.
I agree with a lot of your positions.
RB--- agree only an elite that can take over #1 spot ... being considered at 2.49.... I do like the other names mentioned but it can wait until later on ( I think this is Conner's last year no matter how he performs)
WR-- like you said it would have to be someone special to pull the trigger at 2.49 ....... options much later on in the deep class
LT/RT-- I don't see any of the 3 you mentioned lasting to us at 2.49 ....... and I think the value drops off at that point
G--- no true standout.... group of names you list too soon for me at 2.49....... John Simpson I would put ahead of the guys you mentioned... roadgrader size
C-- Cesar Ruiz seems to be a very favourable frontrunner to be our pick if still there........ start LG and then push Pouncey out down the road ..... I would upgrade Cushenberry higher than what you have him
DT-- I doubt we see something worthy of a 2nd round pick....... like your option late round
OLB-- concentrated on DEF for years .......time to address the OFF..... but unless they sign Dupree... I agree it will be addressed by the 4th round
ILB--- 4th round with a S hybrid being a consideration
CB-- top guys aren't making it to the mid 2nd .... so I address this next year when we have more draft capital or in FA
S-- somewhere we add..... maybe we use a 2021 pick to garner another pick this year if there is someone of interest available 4th-5th round

grandkids say .....don't be dissing the cookie monster .......ever

thanks I appreciate it, regarding Guards I forgot to mention Simpson but he is part of that group of guys that I think can be taken between 3rd & 4th round, never earlier. Cushenberry is definitely in play for 2.49, he won't last to our 3rd round pick but I don't know, he'd have to be one of the last guys left available on my BPA/Need list at 2.49 to grab him.
 
I think this draft is going to be nuts. A lot of draft picks going to have people scratch their heads. The old we could of picked him two rounds from now deal. A guy like Winfield Jr see him in most mocks 2nd or 3rd round, I think he goes top 25 myself. Same with the WR rankings there are like 10 guys with first round potential so depending on who a team likes could be some head scratchers there. RB should be fun too I can see a guy like Swift being 3rd or 4th back taken. Really looking forward to this years draft.
 
Great job Litos!! Thanks for putting in the work on this. Do you mind if I post this on the Steeler Nation facebook page on draft day? I will credit you.

My #1 need is OL. Wis is a spot starter, not a full time starter. Excellent depth and G/C capable. He replaced Finney. We don't have anyone replacing Foster. If we move Feiler, now we need a starter at LT. Though I'm high on our backup T talent, it's still a question, so I am not surprised if we go T or OG/C with the first pick.

The only other position we lack as a starter is a Zero Tech DL. Big Dan is the only true 0 tech we have to play nose. Wormley, and Buggs are more 3-5 tech. I think they can do well in spot duty, but if we're trying to stop the Ravens or Titans on game day, we need a big body on the field. Now I don't think we'd use our 2nd on a NT, but we will be picking a big bodied run stopper in this draft. My guess is on day 3.

So who do we pick with our first pick? Funny enough the BPA for us will probably be a WR. We lack a true playmaking slot receiver, and I also feel we can improve with a deep receiver in 4WR sets who will also push Washington at the Z. I love JuJu as a big slot, and DJ as the X. Bring in another weapon for Big Ben? Yes please. This may be where we finally get the big, fast receiver Ben has missed since Plexico left.

RB, meh, honestly, I don't see it as a need. RB is the only position where the college player needs very little prep to become a starter. It can be filled next year. TE is undraftable until round 4, and still, I don't think the value is there. Thank goodness we picked up Ebron! Gentry and CSW will have to show who is worthy this year. My money is on CSW.

The other selection at 49, the BPA may be a safety. Not a high priority on teams this year. We get a stud to slide, grab him. Especially a $B/S that we can use as a hybrid player. We've been waiting on that guy, and we might grab one this year.

Depth wise, I feel we will double dip at OL - T & C/G. ILB is a big need for depth, and you can always use CB depth. Hopefully we can get lucky with one, one of these years...

Not drafting a QB, DL is low priority, and RB, I just don't see the need unless a 3 way threat falls to us early.

Who knows how this draft is going to go. Teams were not able to do their full homework to get the players they need. After the 3rd round, this will be a confusing draft, the way the league will slot players 100-300. It will be all over the place.

Fortunately the Steelers are an excellent drafting team. They've had the same method in place since 1969. Let that sink in. The Steelers haven't changed how they research, rank, and draft players in 41 years!! There is a reason why they are so good at acquiring talent through the draft. Teams that just hired new GMs/Coaches are screwed this year. Short term to evaluate players. No time to build a team drafting strategy, and evaluations will be all over the place. If anything, I'd say the Steelers are the best equipped team to deal with this Covid-19 outbreak and lack of information, because they have already been there, done that. I expect hits on day 3 that will be good players for us moving forward.
 
Great job Litos!! Thanks for putting in the work on this. Do you mind if I post this on the Steeler Nation facebook page on draft day? I will credit you.

My #1 need is OL. Wis is a spot starter, not a full time starter. Excellent depth and G/C capable. He replaced Finney. We don't have anyone replacing Foster. If we move Feiler, now we need a starter at LT. Though I'm high on our backup T talent, it's still a question, so I am not surprised if we go T or OG/C with the first pick.

The only other position we lack as a starter is a Zero Tech DL. Big Dan is the only true 0 tech we have to play nose. Wormley, and Buggs are more 3-5 tech. I think they can do well in spot duty, but if we're trying to stop the Ravens or Titans on game day, we need a big body on the field. Now I don't think we'd use our 2nd on a NT, but we will be picking a big bodied run stopper in this draft. My guess is on day 3.

So who do we pick with our first pick? Funny enough the BPA for us will probably be a WR. We lack a true playmaking slot receiver, and I also feel we can improve with a deep receiver in 4WR sets who will also push Washington at the Z. I love JuJu as a big slot, and DJ as the X. Bring in another weapon for Big Ben? Yes please. This may be where we finally get the big, fast receiver Ben has missed since Plexico left.

RB, meh, honestly, I don't see it as a need. RB is the only position where the college player needs very little prep to become a starter. It can be filled next year. TE is undraftable until round 4, and still, I don't think the value is there. Thank goodness we picked up Ebron! Gentry and CSW will have to show who is worthy this year. My money is on CSW.

The other selection at 49, the BPA may be a safety. Not a high priority on teams this year. We get a stud to slide, grab him. Especially a $B/S that we can use as a hybrid player. We've been waiting on that guy, and we might grab one this year.

Depth wise, I feel we will double dip at OL - T & C/G. ILB is a big need for depth, and you can always use CB depth. Hopefully we can get lucky with one, one of these years...

Not drafting a QB, DL is low priority, and RB, I just don't see the need unless a 3 way threat falls to us early.

Who knows how this draft is going to go. Teams were not able to do their full homework to get the players they need. After the 3rd round, this will be a confusing draft, the way the league will slot players 100-300. It will be all over the place.

Fortunately the Steelers are an excellent drafting team. They've had the same method in place since 1969. Let that sink in. The Steelers haven't changed how they research, rank, and draft players in 41 years!! There is a reason why they are so good at acquiring talent through the draft. Teams that just hired new GMs/Coaches are screwed this year. Short term to evaluate players. No time to build a team drafting strategy, and evaluations will be all over the place. If anything, I'd say the Steelers are the best equipped team to deal with this Covid-19 outbreak and lack of information, because they have already been there, done that. I expect hits on day 3 that will be good players for us moving forward.
Yeah in regards to moving Feiler I prefer not to rob Peter to pay Paul. Is that how the saying goes? Create another hole in the process of filling the one that exists. A C/G type would be welcomed if the BPA. Hopefully the BPA sitting there is of a position of high need.

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Oh and Litos thanks for putting the work in love reads like this.

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Yeah in regards to moving Feiler I prefer not to rob Peter to pay Paul. Is that how the saying goes? Create another hole in the process of filling the one that exists. A C/G type would be welcomed if the BPA. Hopefully the BPA sitting there is of a position of high need.

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Respectfully disagree ........... all for anything that pays Paul ............ Peter be damned

Agree ... landing Ruiz or Cushenberry is more to my liking ( someone who can play LG and move to C in the future)
 
And I have no idea why I keep calling Feiler a LT when I know he's a RT. Just defense on the mind I suppose...

Also, Edmnunds could potentially be a $B as well. Personally, taking him off of deep coverage and throwing him up closer to the line, could help both his game and Minkah's game. We'll have to see.
 
Great job Litos!! Thanks for putting in the work on this. Do you mind if I post this on the Steeler Nation facebook page on draft day? I will credit you.

My #1 need is OL. Wis is a spot starter, not a full time starter. Excellent depth and G/C capable. He replaced Finney. We don't have anyone replacing Foster. If we move Feiler, now we need a starter at LT. Though I'm high on our backup T talent, it's still a question, so I am not surprised if we go T or OG/C with the first pick.

The only other position we lack as a starter is a Zero Tech DL. Big Dan is the only true 0 tech we have to play nose. Wormley, and Buggs are more 3-5 tech. I think they can do well in spot duty, but if we're trying to stop the Ravens or Titans on game day, we need a big body on the field. Now I don't think we'd use our 2nd on a NT, but we will be picking a big bodied run stopper in this draft. My guess is on day 3.

So who do we pick with our first pick? Funny enough the BPA for us will probably be a WR. We lack a true playmaking slot receiver, and I also feel we can improve with a deep receiver in 4WR sets who will also push Washington at the Z. I love JuJu as a big slot, and DJ as the X. Bring in another weapon for Big Ben? Yes please. This may be where we finally get the big, fast receiver Ben has missed since Plexico left.

RB, meh, honestly, I don't see it as a need. RB is the only position where the college player needs very little prep to become a starter. It can be filled next year. TE is undraftable until round 4, and still, I don't think the value is there. Thank goodness we picked up Ebron! Gentry and CSW will have to show who is worthy this year. My money is on CSW.

The other selection at 49, the BPA may be a safety. Not a high priority on teams this year. We get a stud to slide, grab him. Especially a $B/S that we can use as a hybrid player. We've been waiting on that guy, and we might grab one this year.

Depth wise, I feel we will double dip at OL - T & C/G. ILB is a big need for depth, and you can always use CB depth. Hopefully we can get lucky with one, one of these years...

Not drafting a QB, DL is low priority, and RB, I just don't see the need unless a 3 way threat falls to us early.

Who knows how this draft is going to go. Teams were not able to do their full homework to get the players they need. After the 3rd round, this will be a confusing draft, the way the league will slot players 100-300. It will be all over the place.

Fortunately the Steelers are an excellent drafting team. They've had the same method in place since 1969. Let that sink in. The Steelers haven't changed how they research, rank, and draft players in 41 years!! There is a reason why they are so good at acquiring talent through the draft. Teams that just hired new GMs/Coaches are screwed this year. Short term to evaluate players. No time to build a team drafting strategy, and evaluations will be all over the place. If anything, I'd say the Steelers are the best equipped team to deal with this Covid-19 outbreak and lack of information, because they have already been there, done that. I expect hits on day 3 that will be good players for us moving forward.

My thoughts exactly. Not understanding the consensus to draft a RB with the top pick. The weakness with the running game last season was more from the lack of a capable QB to open things up rather than the lack of RB talent (as well as poor Oline play). We actually have good RB depth with the emergence of Whyte and the addition of Snell who proved to be useful even in the worst of scenarios. RB is more of a luxury pick for the future, we need picks to help us win now with Ben...WR fits that bill as does OL, DL, or LB with the first few picks. Not to mention we are a pass first offense with Ben by far. Why use our top draft capital to pick a RB who would only be on the field less than half the offensive snaps? 5th-7th rounder is fine if there is a RB they like that falls but not the first few picks at least. If it were me, I'd ignore RB completely until it's time to pick up UDFA's. As you also mentioned, after signing Ebron I ignore TE as well now.
 
And I have no idea why I keep calling Feiler a LT when I know he's a RT. Just defense on the mind I suppose...

Also, Edmunds could potentially be a $B as well. Personally, taking him off of deep coverage and throwing him up closer to the line, could help both his game and Minkah's game. We'll have to see.

He probably would be better in Barron's position, or at least possibly.

Question is then who are you putting at SS ?
 
My thoughts exactly. Not understanding the consensus to draft a RB with the top pick. The weakness with the running game last season was more from the lack of a capable QB to open things up rather than the lack of RB talent (as well as poor Oline play). We actually have good RB depth with the emergence of Whyte and the addition of Snell who proved to be useful even in the worst of scenarios. RB is more of a luxury pick for the future, we need picks to help us win now with Ben...WR fits that bill as does OL, DL, or LB with the first few picks. Not to mention we are a pass first offense with Ben by far. Why use our top draft capital to pick a RB who would only be on the field less than half the offensive snaps? 5th-7th rounder is fine if there is a RB they like that falls but not the first few picks at least. If it were me, I'd ignore RB completely until it's time to pick up UDFA's. As you also mentioned, after signing Ebron I ignore TE as well now.

My want for a RB comes from Conner not being able to stay healthy. I think there is a drop off after him.
 
Great job Litos!! Thanks for putting in the work on this. Do you mind if I post this on the Steeler Nation facebook page on draft day? I will credit you.

My #1 need is OL. Wis is a spot starter, not a full time starter. Excellent depth and G/C capable. He replaced Finney. We don't have anyone replacing Foster. If we move Feiler, now we need a starter at LT. Though I'm high on our backup T talent, it's still a question, so I am not surprised if we go T or OG/C with the first pick.

The only other position we lack as a starter is a Zero Tech DL. Big Dan is the only true 0 tech we have to play nose. Wormley, and Buggs are more 3-5 tech. I think they can do well in spot duty, but if we're trying to stop the Ravens or Titans on game day, we need a big body on the field. Now I don't think we'd use our 2nd on a NT, but we will be picking a big bodied run stopper in this draft. My guess is on day 3.

So who do we pick with our first pick? Funny enough the BPA for us will probably be a WR. We lack a true playmaking slot receiver, and I also feel we can improve with a deep receiver in 4WR sets who will also push Washington at the Z. I love JuJu as a big slot, and DJ as the X. Bring in another weapon for Big Ben? Yes please. This may be where we finally get the big, fast receiver Ben has missed since Plexico left.

RB, meh, honestly, I don't see it as a need. RB is the only position where the college player needs very little prep to become a starter. It can be filled next year. TE is undraftable until round 4, and still, I don't think the value is there. Thank goodness we picked up Ebron! Gentry and CSW will have to show who is worthy this year. My money is on CSW.

The other selection at 49, the BPA may be a safety. Not a high priority on teams this year. We get a stud to slide, grab him. Especially a $B/S that we can use as a hybrid player. We've been waiting on that guy, and we might grab one this year.

Depth wise, I feel we will double dip at OL - T & C/G. ILB is a big need for depth, and you can always use CB depth. Hopefully we can get lucky with one, one of these years...

Not drafting a QB, DL is low priority, and RB, I just don't see the need unless a 3 way threat falls to us early.

Who knows how this draft is going to go. Teams were not able to do their full homework to get the players they need. After the 3rd round, this will be a confusing draft, the way the league will slot players 100-300. It will be all over the place.

Fortunately the Steelers are an excellent drafting team. They've had the same method in place since 1969. Let that sink in. The Steelers haven't changed how they research, rank, and draft players in 41 years!! There is a reason why they are so good at acquiring talent through the draft. Teams that just hired new GMs/Coaches are screwed this year. Short term to evaluate players. No time to build a team drafting strategy, and evaluations will be all over the place. If anything, I'd say the Steelers are the best equipped team to deal with this Covid-19 outbreak and lack of information, because they have already been there, done that. I expect hits on day 3 that will be good players for us moving forward.

Thanks Cope, love to talk and see different opinions in this forum. As you see my worry with Conner is health-wise because he has the talent to be a probowler.

Of course you can post it on the SN FB page , I consider myself part of this community and the least I could do to add some info to bring discussion points. It needs a little editing, let me know how you want to handle it. Regards
 
He probably would be better in Barron's position, or at least possibly.

Question is then who are you putting at SS ?

DBs- Nelson, Edmunds, Haden, Minkah is the base, Hilton in the nickel, Sutton in the dime, Dollar you can add Layne or Dangerfield. Money backer can be used in the nickel or dime making it a heavy nickel or dime. Keeping both OLBs and Bush on the field with our 2 DEs. That's where most of the value of having a tackling safety can help in run support, by removing a LB to add a cover/tackling safety.

$B can be used in the base nickel or dime, it's just a switch from cover 2 with your safeties, and committing Edmunds to the box more, where he can support at the LOS.
 
Thanks Cope, love to talk and see different opinions in this forum. As you see my worry with Conner is health-wise because he has the talent to be a probowler.

Of course you can post it on the SN FB page , I consider myself part of this community and the least I could do to add some info to bring discussion points. It needs a little editing, let me know how you want to handle it. Regards

Awesome, Love the discussion here as well. It opens a lot of my thinking to create ideas for articles that I would never have thought up on my own.

I'll PM you.
 
My want for a RB comes from Conner not being able to stay healthy. I think there is a drop off after him.

My assessment of our RBs doesn't ignore that. I think if Conner misses time (as is likely at this point but not guaranteed), Samuels, Snell and Whyte are more than capable of carrying the load. Actually we've already seen Samuels is pretty dangerous with Ben under center in the Bell type role. I think people are only seeing our RBs for what they were last season which was an anomaly with a 3rd string QB starting for most of it and starting WRs off the practice squad. I think in the normal offensive environment, namely a healthy Ben, you can plug and play any one of our 4 RBs and they can be the capable change of pace that they need to be in this pass first offense.
 
DBs- Nelson, Edmunds, Haden, Minkah is the base, Hilton in the nickel, Sutton in the dime, Dollar you can add Layne or Dangerfield. Money backer can be used in the nickel or dime making it a heavy nickel or dime. Keeping both OLBs and Bush on the field with our 2 DEs. That's where most of the value of having a tackling safety can help in run support, by removing a LB to add a cover/tackling safety.

$B can be used in the base nickel or dime, it's just a switch from cover 2 with your safeties, and committing Edmunds to the box more, where he can support at the LOS.

Layne I would have to see more of to see if he has developed any from his rookie year. Dangerfield I think would be a target if you put him on the field more. Overall i think it is pretty spot on.
 
I fall in line with a lot of what Cope has.

1. Offensive Line.
t's an aging group and we saw a drop off in performance last year. I'd love to grab a right tackle with potential to slide to the left side in the future. You can also sometimes find a sliding tackle in the second round who develops into a quality starter. This would allow Feiler to move inside, where some believe he is a better fit. The problem is tackle is a premium position and there could be upwards of eight players gone by the time the Steelers select. I'm fine with any of the top eight players, but after that I'd be looking at another position. I want a road grader on the inside, but there are probably only one or two interior linemen worth selecting at this spot.

2. Wide Receiver
The Steelers have some young talent, but they still have something to prove. I want to see speed at the position, which is something we lack right now. Maybe it's a smaller receiver with elite speed or a big, long strider who can beat the defense over the top. I'm also not confident we'll re-sign JuJu, so you need to keep depth at this position. In today's NFL, this is a position of value.

3. Outside Linebacker
Watt and Dupree are currently one of the best duos in the NFL. If Dupree leaves after the season, there's no one ready to step up. Ola has shown nothing in the regular season and Skipper is a ? since he never got a chance.

Three positions everyone mentions we need to draft that I disagree with:

1. Running Back
Conner (when healthy) and Snell are a fine 1-2. A strong offensive line would have a bigger impact than a 2nd-round RB with no holes to run through. I try to find a back with some speed and good hands out of the backfield, but I'd do so later on. I won't be mad if they grab one of the top backs in the second round, but I'd just rather go in another direction.

2. Tight End
There isn't a high need with Ebron and McDonald. Nevermind that the tight end class is very weak this year.

3. Interior Defensive Line
People have been clamoring for a true nose tackle since Casey Hampton retired. The team clearly doesn't value the position or they would've addressed it. Heck, we had a really good player in Javon Hargrave and they wouldn't even play him.
 
My want for a RB comes from Conner not being able to stay healthy. I think there is a drop off after him.

Don't get me wrong , I like Conner......great person...great story....made me forget L Bell in his 2nd year performance..... but RB position in the NFL has evolved to the point where we are not going to see a back getting 2nd contracts so easily......... his inability to stay healthy does not deminish his character .......but it is a business and you always have to consider upgrades at any position when they become available..
Ben may come back and have a couple years left....... If BPA happens to be a 3 down RB at 2.49 that will supersede our current staff then so be it ..... Conner often hurt.... Jaysam can catch out of the backfield... predictable and runs out of bounds every chance he gets........ Snell...... sure not what I thought he was going to be ...goes down far too easily........Whyte.......small sample ...but I have more hope for him than the others

It is a viable staff as a whole but nothing that opposing teams are scared of facing. Having a guy that can stay on the field during any situation that can break off big plays would be awesome.

Now that we finally have a DEF again...... a more formidable running attack would help compliment balance on OFF and keep that DEF fresh later into games...

BPA ..... open mind..... what impacts or improves us ...... if the OL guy is there ...great ......WR ....not sure ...unless you know you are losing JuJu next year

and let's be realistic .... possibly taking a RB at 2.49 is not like taking a RB at 1.18 ........ 4 year not 5........way less money tied up in the contract size .....easiest position to see get playing time early
 
Nice write up Litos
Very thorough and well presented.
I agree with a lot of your positions.
RB--- agree only an elite that can take over #1 spot ... being considered at 2.49.... I do like the other names mentioned but it can wait until later on ( I think this is Conner's last year no matter how he performs)
WR-- like you said it would have to be someone special to pull the trigger at 2.49 ....... options much later on in the deep class
LT/RT-- I don't see any of the 3 you mentioned lasting to us at 2.49 ....... and I think the value drops off at that point
G--- no true standout.... group of names you list too soon for me at 2.49....... John Simpson I would put ahead of the guys you mentioned... roadgrader size
C-- Cesar Ruiz seems to be a very favourable frontrunner to be our pick if still there........ start LG and then push Pouncey out down the road ..... I would upgrade Cushenberry higher than what you have him
DT-- I doubt we see something worthy of a 2nd round pick....... like your option late round
OLB-- concentrated on DEF for years .......time to address the OFF..... but unless they sign Dupree... I agree it will be addressed by the 4th round
ILB--- 4th round with a S hybrid being a consideration
CB-- top guys aren't making it to the mid 2nd .... so I address this next year when we have more draft capital or in FA
S-- somewhere we add..... maybe we use a 2021 pick to garner another pick this year if there is someone of interest available 4th-5th round

grandkids say .....don't be dissing the cookie monster .......ever

Agreed on Cushenberry....I got him as our first pick.
 
I think Cushenberry is in a group of 3 or 4 BPA options that I would take at 2.49 that realistically have a chance to still be on the board
Because he isn't a T there is a chance he slides into 3 too.

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