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Is someone arguing that Tomlin doesn't suck?
 
Vader said:
He isn't in charge of hiring and firing. He wanted to keep BA and was told no. He was told that Butler was the heir apparent to the DC job. So now he coaches LBs while Tomlin runs the defense. I haven't seen anything that makes me think he is in charge of hiring or firing anyone. Most good coaches have people they are mentoring. Tomlin doesn't.
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Or perhaps he's utilizing consensus, which is a leadership move. Also didn't hurt that he had a past with Butler. This board was freakin screaming for Bulter to take over for Dick. And look what we got now. Sour grapes...
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
yes, cope. And bermudasteel,,,, always
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Fairness for me. This board is so anit Tomlin, it can't or won't understand the things he does well. Everything is his fault, and nothing positive is because of him or his philosophy. Sorry but I don't buy that.

I agree with Ron that ST is a mess, and I expected a change this season. If it doesn't improve this year, that is on Tomlin. Same with the D which he was half running in the past. No excuses this year if the D ***** the bed, but having mobile LBs in the middle will make a world of difference on D, and I can't wait to see it execute in games!
 
Cope said:
I agree with Ron that ST is a mess, and I expected a change this season. If it doesn't improve this year, that is on Tomlin.
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But ST coach Danny Smith has never had a losing season with the Steelers.

Cope said:
Or perhaps he's utilizing consensus, which is a leadership move. Also didn't hurt that he had a past with Butler. This board was freakin screaming for Bulter to take over for Dick. And look what we got now. Sour grapes...
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The general feeling was that the league had figured out DLB's defense, a change was needed, and Butler could see what needed to change. Instead we got (my opinion) a hybrid of zone blitz and Tampa 2 without the talent to run either.
 
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And no one is madder than me about getting next to nothing for Bell and AB leaving. Said it muliple times, but that is more on Colbert's moves and what the Steelers were willing to accept to get them out of Pittsburgh.
 
Cope said:
And the coverage teams, and kicking team were below the line last year...
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Obviously. However they did lead the league in penalty yards.
To repeat what I found earlier, the kickoff coverage actually wasn't bad but the punt coverage was horrible.
 
Just curious, if Tomlin isn't allowed to hire or fire who he wants, then how can he be held responsible for who gets hired or fired?
 
Cope said:
Or perhaps he's utilizing consensus, which is a leadership move. Also didn't hurt that he had a past with Butler. This board was freakin screaming for Bulter to take over for Dick. And look what we got now. Sour grapes...
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Then why tell BA he was going to get his bread? Wouldn't he get the consensus before he talked to BA? That is far from a leadership move. BTW I didn't want DL gone. I wanted Tomlin's hands off the defense and allow DL more input into the type of players he wanted. Tomlin may fancy himself as some type of defensive guru. He isn't. He left because of it. Again I don't see any indication Tomlin hires or fires anyone.

43Hitman said:
Just curious, if Tomlin isn't allowed to hire or fire who he wants, then how can he be held responsible for who gets hired or fired?
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I'm not blaming him for his hires. I blame him for trying to run some kind of half assed hybrid 2-4 defense, even though he was only a DC for one season.. one that had the worst passing stats in the entire league. If they don't trust him to hire his own people then WTF is he doing here?
 
Cope said:
Or perhaps he's utilizing consensus, which is a leadership move. Also didn't hurt that he had a past with Butler. This board was freakin screaming for Bulter to take over for Dick. And look what we got now. Sour grapes...
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I remember a bunch of us wanted to hire outside the organization to bring in a fresh concept. Dick's defense was figured out. So yeah... let's promote the guy to tutorized under the Dick for YEARS.
 
I'm sure Tomlin liked Ariens. They were successful and made 2 superbowls with his offense. I can't speak to what was said between the HC and the front office, because I wasn't in the room, and neither were you. Consensus could be reached in that case because Ariens offense was killing Ben in the pocket. They decided they needed to make a change to protect the franchise. I can see that reasoning for making a change. And since Ben is still playing for us, it was probabably the right move.
 
Cope said:
I'm sure Tomlin liked Ariens. They were successful and made 2 superbowls with his offense. I can't speak to what was said between the HC and the front office, because I wasn't in the room, and neither were you. Consensus could be reached in that case because Ariens offense was killing Ben in the pocket. They decided they needed to make a change to protect the franchise. I can see that reasoning for making a change. And since Ben is still playing for us, it was probabably the right move.
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It absolutely was the right move. But again there is no evidence that Tomlin had anything to do with it. He obviously didn't agree with it or he wouldn't have told BA "I'll get your bread". The very fact that he called BA before he talked to the FO tells me he wanted him back and probably thought the FO did as well.
 
Cope said:
And no one is madder than me about getting next to nothing for Bell and AB leaving. Said it muliple times, but that is more on Colbert's moves and what the Steelers were willing to accept to get them out of Pittsburgh.
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I'm more mad that the head coach couldn't get a team with Ben, Bell, and AB to the Super Bowl.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
I'm more mad that the head coach couldn't get a team with Ben, Bell, and AB to the Super Bowl.
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That's tough to do when you've never had all 3 of them healthy by the end of a playoff game.
 
Cope said:
That's tough to do when you've never had all 3 of them healthy by the end of a playoff game.
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Were they not all healthy for the Jaguars game? Did Tomlin contribute to Bell's injuries by running him into the ground?
 
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