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Corner might be too risky for the Steelers in round one.

what would trading the 1-22 theoretically get?

a 2nd and a third?...or maybe a later 1st and a 3rd?

how's that point scale go?...I honestly don't know.
 
Superman said:
and I'm NOT a Big 10 homer. I couldnt give a **** less about the Big 10.

here... let me rephrase my entire goddam sentence so you don't get so hung up on it:
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Here let me rephrase my entire ******* sentence so you don't get so hung up on it:

Vader said:
Like I said, I don't care what college they come from. I was fine with them taking Shazier even thought OSU has had a lot of busts over the years. I don't care.
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coach- only you could start a thread like this and then do a mock draft with us taking a cb in rd 1 a few hours later
 
Bama does have a lot of underperforming players in the NFL particularly on the defensive side. Julio Jones and maybe Marcel Darius are the only recent Bama players (IE under Saban) to be real impact players. Mosley seems on track to be another but still early.

Other than those guys, Bama has produced a bunch of high draft picks who have merely been adequate like Ingram, to guys who have been way under like Mark Baron and Dee Milner. Bama secondary players in particular have struggled in the NFL. Saban teaches them techniques that don't work well in the NFL so they have a learning curve.

This may start to change as Saban seems to be trying to recruit more athletic defensive players to counter spread offenses.
 
I agree with the original poster and have said it since the end of the season. CB can be addressed in FA not with a first round pick that might pan out. This draft doesnt have a lot of standout CBs that are worth a first round pick. With the recent restructure of Mike Mitchell and with Shamarko Thomas still there I dont like drafting a safety either in round 1. Go with a OLB or if a stud Olineman falls I wouldnt mind that either.
 
USDA#1 said:
what would trading the 1-22 theoretically get?

a 2nd and a third?...or maybe a later 1st and a 3rd?

how's that point scale go?...I honestly don't know.
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Take a look here to get an idea of trade value: http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue/

For instance, if we trade back in round #1 we would likely expect to pick up the late #1 PLUS a late #3. The value chart is pretty self explanatory.
 
steelerscotty said:
Im all for trading down, but this assumes someone is willing to trade up. Another issue is who wants to trade up. Are we willing to trade with a Baltimore or New England and let them get a guy they covet? Id love to trade back to end of 1st begining of second and get Jalen Collins or Quinten Rollins. Then take Marcus Golden at 2.23. If we stay put and all top edge rushers, Landon Collins and Trae Waynes are gone then i think best value left is TE Maxx Williams (excluding positions we almost certainly wont take in 1st round: QB, WR, OL, ILB).
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If there's a LT stud left at 1.22 we better pick him without any hesitation
 
BLITZ said:
coach- only you could start a thread like this and then do a mock draft with us taking a cb in rd 1 a few hours later
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He's the Steelernation equivalent to Littlefinger of Games of Thrones
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Bama does have a lot of underperforming players in the NFL particularly on the defensive side. Julio Jones and maybe Marcel Darius are the only recent Bama players (IE under Saban) to be real impact players. Mosley seems on track to be another but still early.

Other than those guys, Bama has produced a bunch of high draft picks who have merely been adequate like Ingram, to guys who have been way under like Mark Baron and Dee Milner. Bama secondary players in particular have struggled in the NFL. Saban teaches them techniques that don't work well in the NFL so they have a learning curve.

This may start to change as Saban seems to be trying to recruit more athletic defensive players to counter spread offenses.
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I suggest you watch some Green Bay games...
 
BLITZ said:
coach- only you could start a thread like this and then do a mock draft with us taking a cb in rd 1 a few hours later
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Blitz,

After looking at the depth in the draft, I believe 6-7 corners will be gone before we pick in round two. Panic button time....I do not think McCain or Gay will be as good as they were last year. By the time its our turn to pick in round ( #87 for us ), 10 corners might have been taken.

Do you want to pick another Brown or Allen in round three? I do not. Hence, I think if Peters is there, we roll the dice. I watched some of his film. The man has great ball skills. Peters could be great in zone, and very good at man in a cover two system. Just don't ask him to defend the deep post or go routes vs much faster players.

I'd love Wyanes but he's not going to be there.

my $.02
 
steelbush said:
I agree with the original poster and have said it since the end of the season. CB can be addressed in FA not with a first round pick that might pan out. This draft doesnt have a lot of standout CBs that are worth a first round pick. With the recent restructure of Mike Mitchell and with Shamarko Thomas still there I dont like drafting a safety either in round 1. Go with a OLB or if a stud Olineman falls I wouldnt mind that either.
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I am not a big believer in Thomas. He had a limited amount of plays on the ball in college and has been very injury prone. He's also short , ( but not with a big head ) : ) and a little flag prone.
 
Coach said:
Blitz,

After looking at the depth in the draft, I believe 6-7 corners will be gone before we pick in round two. Panic button time....I do not think McCain or Gay will be as good as they were last year. By the time its our turn to pick in round ( #87 for us ), 10 corners might have been taken.

Do you want to pick another Brown or Allen in round three? I do not. Hence, I think if Peters is there, we roll the dice. I watched some of his film. The man has great ball skills. Peters could be great in zone, and very good at man in a cover two system. Just don't ask him to defend the deep post or go routes vs much faster players.

I'd love Wyanes but he's not going to be there.

my $.02
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I agree with you mostly. its just that you contradict yourself in posts. don't get me wrong, I love your posts. very glad you are back and hope you stay around for along time to come
 
BLITZ said:
I agree with you mostly. its just that you contradict yourself in posts. don't get me wrong, I love your posts. very glad you are back and hope you stay around for along time to come
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Thanks. If posters don't change your mind about the draft mocks, they might not be following it. I highly doubt Gay will be as good next season. You can say the same for McCain. Those are our two best CB's. You could say I want a comer real bad. I just don't want Chad Scott in round one or Byrant MacFadden in round two. Corners seldom fall in the draft. Its an over drafted positon with a higher than normal bust rate. That explains the flip flopping.
 
Picking a CB in round one just because 1) you need CBs badly and 2) you think your options in round 2 and round 3 will be even less desirable is the kind of thinking that leads to drafting guys like Troy Edwards and Jake Locker in round 1.
 
SteelerAl said:
Picking a CB in round one just because 1) you need CBs badly and 2) you think your options in round 2 and round 3 will be even less desirable is the kind of thinking that leads to drafting guys like Troy Edwards and Jake Locker in round 1.
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I hated the Edwards pick. Picking a small and slow WR made no sense. My pick that year was J Kearse all the way. But the NFL has changed a bit since 1999. Corners are very important, and our are well not very good. As such getting a good corner in round one or two without reaching is a key to the Steelers draft.

When it comes to the draft I prefer to match value with need in the early rounds. BPA comes into play around round 4.
 
Coach said:
I hated the Edwards pick. Picking a small and slow WR made no sense. My pick that year was J Kearse all the way. But the NFL has changed a bit since 1999. Corners are very important, and our are well not very good. As such getting a good corner in round one or two without reaching is a key to the Steelers draft.

When it comes to the draft I prefer to match value with need in the early rounds. BPA comes into play around round 4.
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Sure, but where is the VALUE part of the equation? You are only making half an argument...that we have a big need and that our options in rounds 2 and 3 might be slim. You're not addressing the concept that there will probably be a CB on the board at #22 who will actually provide good value at that point. We drafted Troy Edwards because we really needed a WR and didn't think there would be much available in rounds 2 and 3 --- that is a terrible way to make draft decisions and produces the kind of panicky moves that get GMs fired.
 
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I think Wayne's would be a solid starter fora decade like how Ike was so it might be worth to move up from 22 to 11 give up our rnd 3 and a 6 fill our do and lb holes via free agency I.e olb/de McPhee or sheard and moats and deebo cb McCain and searcy rb Roy helu jr.

If we are content on staying at 22 or trading down then

Option 1 stay sign a starting caliber cb maxwell/cox/Jackson /culliver
Rnd 1 olb Harold rnd 2 Collins rnd 3 s holliman rnd 4 dt

Option 2
Trade down get a extra 3rd
Rnd 2 cb Collins rnd 2 dt/de Malcolm brown rnd 3 cb/s Rowe rnd 4 s Harris
 
Too expensive to move up when we have needs via the draft. If we draft right we fill those holes on the cheap. UFA should be used only when we absolutely need someone to come in and start right away. DB fits that need best IMO
 
F83 said:
I think Wayne's would be a solid starter fora decade like how Ike was so it might be worth to move up from 22 to 11 give up our rnd 3 and a 6 fill our do and lb holes via free agency I.e olb/de McPhee or sheard and moats and deebo cb McCain and searcy rb Roy helu jr.

If we are content on staying at 22 or trading down then

Option 1 stay sign a starting caliber cb maxwell/cox/Jackson /culliver
Rnd 1 olb Harold rnd 2 Collins rnd 3 s holliman rnd 4 dt

Option 2
Trade down get a extra 3rd
Rnd 2 cb Collins rnd 2 dt/de Malcolm brown rnd 3 cb/s Rowe rnd 4 s Harris
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I doubt you can move up ten spots in first round for a 3rd and a 6th
 
Litos said:
I doubt you can move up ten spots in first round for a 3rd and a 6th
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I'm trying to remember the troy trade with kc we gave our 1st 3rd 4th and 6th to move up so throw in a 4th and perhaps a 7th and that should do it
 
F83 said:
I'm trying to remember the troy trade with kc we gave our 1st 3rd 4th and 6th to move up so throw in a 4th and perhaps a 7th and that should do it
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We were able to move up cheaply that year but you can't count of it. KC was pretty motivated to move down that year. It was much more expensive for us to move up to get Santonio. There are a lot of excellent defensive (front 7) prospects this year...I don't see teams being willing to trade down on the cheap.

So I definitely think Litos is right. We won't be able to move up 10 spots for just a 3 and a 6.
 
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