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Chris Simms seems to think AB and his agent were conspiring with Raiders

No ******* **** they were, they conspired against the Steelers/Bills trade, I'm sure as hell positive they were talking with the team(s) he wanted to go to.
 
it's so obvious that I don't understand why the Steelers accepted that crap instead of filing for grievance or whatever the ****
 
Of course they were but Goodell won’t do anything and the steelers wouldn’t want to do anything to mess up the awesome deal they got for AB.
 
Thinking and proving are 2 different things. Proving collusion and/or tampering between the Raiders and the AB would be virtually impossible to prove.
 
Gruden is tomlins mentor. I forgot that
 
The biggest takeaway from all this is that the Steelers should NEVER work with Rosenhaus again. I don't give a **** WHO he represents. They should kick him in the nuts the second he walks in the door.
 
ark steel said:
I agree. Seems like a reason for the Steelers to approach the league or courts to get some of the $21m back from AB for violating his contract when he didn't have a no-trade clause in it.
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Agreed. AB screwing up the Bills trade alone is a breach of contract. And if his agent and the Raiders were involved it's tampering. As someone else stated proving it is difficult but you might start with auditing the phone logs of AB's agent to see if calls were made to the Raiders at any point prior to him having permission to do so.
 
Of course there was tampering but Rooney won’t pursue it since his objective was to get rid of Brown and mission accomplished.
The team handled this Brown situation so poorly as well as the Bell situation where they never thought he’d sit out.
Really have serious doubts about Colbert’s ability to manage personnel maters more so now than ever.



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Steelers1356 said:
Agreed. AB screwing up the Bills trade alone is a breach of contract.
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There is nothing in a player contract that voids his rights to not show up and hold out. If all he told the Bills is that he might not show up, he did not violate any contract and was well within his rights. Probably better that he told the Bills up front what his intention was, had we made that trade and he chose not to show up, we would be in a legal hell and probably wind up having the league void the trade.
Steelers1356 said:
As someone else stated proving it is difficult but you might start with auditing the phone logs of AB's agent to see if calls were made to the Raiders at any point prior to him having permission to do so.
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In order to audit any phone logs you would have to have a warrant from a judge. No judge is granting that warrant with no evidence beyond it's possible.
 
steelhurt said:
Of course there was tampering but Rooney won’t pursue it since his objective was to get rid of Brown and mission accomplished.
The team handled this Brown situation so poorly as well as the Bell situation where they never thought he’d sit out.
Really have serious doubts about Colbert’s ability to manage personnel maters more so now than ever.



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AR2 is the one that decimated the AB trade. Colbert was handed a Chevette and asked to trade it for a Corvette.
 
Steeler Pride said:
There is nothing in a player contract that voids his rights to not show up and hold out
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What's not in his contract carries as much weight in regards to being in breach of contract, in this case, since there's no no trade clause Brown has no right to impede/veto any trade and is expected to cooperate. After a trade if he then wants to ask for more money or to be moved again to another team he's free to do so.
 
Steelers1356 said:
What's not in his contract carries as much weight in regards to being in breach of contract, in this case, since there's no no trade clause Brown has no right to impede/veto any trade and is expected to cooperate. After a trade if he then wants to ask for more money or to be moved again to another team he's free to do so.
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Brown can retire at any point he chooses, the fact that he told the Bills he would not show up saved us a world of hurt in the long run. Any player can tell any team at any point in time that they will not show up or retire. There is nothing in a contract to prevent it and there is nothing a team can do if a player refuses to show up. Players have the freedom to walk away at will and sacrifice the money that comes with it.
 
Steelers should have never publicly addressed an interest in trading AB. ARII blew that when he came out publically and said he thought it might be best to trade him.
If they kept quiet, holding the position they weren't trading him, they could have worked behind the scenes, got the deal they wanted and sprung it on the new league
year. By going public they gave AB the opportunity to start expressing his demands if traded. None of Steelers management should ever play poker.
 
wig said:
The biggest takeaway from all this is that the Steelers should NEVER work with Rosenhaus again. I don't give a **** WHO he represents. They should kick him in the nuts the second he walks in the door.
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I’ve been saying this for years. Fax a contract to him and say final offer. If not excepted let the player walk. If the player is a free agent don’t even make an offer just pass him by.


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There is no doubt they were talking well before the noon time frame yesterday. They had a trade and a renegotiated contract at exactly the time they were allowed to start talking. I guess they could read each others minds.
 
I said right off the bat during last season that he was acting like a ******* ******* with the sole purpose of getting traded/released and that it was all a show. Nobody goes from normal to certifiably insane over the course of 1 season.
 
wig said:
The biggest takeaway from all this is that the Steelers should NEVER work with Rosenhaus again. I don't give a **** WHO he represents. They should kick him in the nuts the second he walks in the door.
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he represents Haden and Mike Hilton. do we cut bait with them?
 
Rosenhaus works for the player. He gives advise, but it's AB that caused the drama to be traded and drive the asking price down. Once the trade was in order, DR job was to get him the new deal with OAK. The Steelers got played by one of their own, twice. It seems like players around the league are loving what he did to the Steelers. The girlfiend hit back and landed a huge blow to the bully boyfriend That's the jist I getting from all his well wishes.
 
thesteelcity said:
Rosenhaus works for the player. He gives advise, but it's AB that caused the drama to be traded and drive the asking price down. Once the trade was in order, DR job was to get him the new deal with OAK. The Steelers got played by one of their own, twice. It seems like players around the league are loving what he did to the Steelers. The girlfiend hit back and landed a huge blow to the bully boyfriend That's the jist I getting from all his well wishes.
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What exactly did the organization do to AB that was so awful? Make him the highest paid WR before Beckham got his pay day? Let him do whatever he wanted and still play in games? Yeah.. sounds like an awful situation for AB.

Meanwhile, he quit on his team, ton of off the field garbage, threw ***** fits on the sidelines, disrespected ownership who drafted him when he was considered nothing special. All while showing no loyalty and snaking his way into another big pay... and this is the guy who is being talked about like he’s some martyr?!? This is a crazy world we live in man.. scary.


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mdk2 said:
What exactly did the organization do to AB that was so awful? Make him the highest paid WR before Beckham got his pay day? Let him do whatever he wanted and still play in games? Yeah.. sounds like an awful situation for AB.

Meanwhile, he quit on his team, ton of off the field garbage, threw ***** fits on the sidelines, disrespected ownership who drafted him when he was considered nothing special. All while showing no loyalty and snaking his way into another big pay... and this is the guy who is being talked about like he’s some martyr?!? This is a crazy world we live in man.. scary.

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It seems like they like that he took control of his fate, bet on himself and beat the system(Steelers).

Personally, the loyalty and trust they gave with Bell and Brown bit them in the ***. They tried to use kid gloves with them, provided them with healthy contracts and it still was not good enough. Both will have new teams by the end of the week and the Steelers got mid and late-round picks for two pro-bowl players.
 
Chris Simms is way off on two points. (He suggests that eventually people may see Brown as a heroic figure who took a stand for the players' inability to control their contract destiny under the CBA while the team has the right to release the player at any time.)

1) When a player signs a contract, he theoretically gets signing bonus money! This is money he negotiates for and accepts UP FRONT to protect against his own injury, a team releasing him early etc. Furthermore, should a player live up to his athletic expectations, teams are rarely compelled to release the guy or even force him to take less money with a renegotiation.

2) Brown didn't just "force a trade". Had he done that it would have been ****** enough. No, he forced a trade to the team HE WANTED TO GO TO despite the fact that other teams were willing to provide better compensation to the Steelers for his rights. The Steelers GAVE Brown what he wanted when they agreed they'd trade him. They gave him the right to go to another team and try to negotiate a new deal. Brown had ALREADY negotiated a deal with the Raiders and then went about ensuring he got the trade he wanted. That's what is different and most decidedly un-heroic. Brown cheated and stole money from Pittsburgh in order to steal MORE money from Oakland. He's scum.
 
In the future CBA the owners should take a hard line that at the very least 50% of any signing bonus money a player is given goes into a retirement account FOR THAT PLAYER which cannot be touched until the player has retired from football. Enough with their bullshit wasting of money and then crawling off to another team to cash in again.

Furthermore, the CBA should have a clause for JUST this kind of situation. The Raiders should have had to pay a prorated amount of Brown's signing bonus from the Steelers as well as their 30 million in guaranteed money. That way they are truly buying out the contract. This would have made it MUCH LESS attractive for the Raiders to sign Brown before his contract was up.
 
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