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Chill … These Steelers trades are completely reasonable

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Not a bad article but there are still things that are just brushed over. There is a difference between a comp. pick and a normal 3rd round pick. If the Steelers don't win many games we would have a high 3rd round pick. The comp. pick always comes at the end of the round. Basically a 4th round pick. So saying the comp. pick makes up for the 3rd rounder lost is just not right. They could be 30 picks apart.
 
5th RND is wild cards
2019 TE Gentry
2018 RB Samuals
2017CB Brian Allen
2016 no 5th rounder but only 3 players from this draft remain after the year it will be 2 once Burns is gone. big red 7th red only active ayers showed a little but but eli rogers out played him
 
Good article, even if we finish with a record that puts us in the top 10 of the draft which would go to Miami, Fitzpatrick is already a proven top 10 player at a position of need, so we already have our top 10 guy. And our 2nd rounder would become a high 2nd rounder, pretty much like a late 1st pick. If we bounce back and somehow make the playoffs we got a steal with Fitzpatrick.
 
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Steelers1356 said:
Good article, even if we finish with a record that puts us in the top 10 of the draft which would go to Miami, Fitzpatrick is already a proven top 10 player at a position of need, so we already have our top 10 guy. And our 2nd rounder would become a high 2nd rounder, pretty much like a late 1st pick. If we bounce back and somehow make the playoffs we got a steal with Fitzpatrick.
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Exactly. Fitz is better than anyone Colbert and Tomlin would have drafted on their own.
 
EXACTLy RON, Fitz is way above the line of previous drafts. I realize Tomlin is here for awhile but I truely hope this D scheme doesn't get Fitz thinking about communication and watching the EFIn QB as dictated by coaching.





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Ron Burgundy said:
Exactly. Fitz is better than anyone Colbert and Tomlin would have drafted on their own.
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Well, in their defense, they haven't had the number 11 pick in the draft in a while. But if it's DB, hmm, yeah I'm still a little skeptical.
 
fitz will probs be the best dback we have had since Troy was in his prime. It really sucks we had to give up our 1st rd pick. to get him, but he is going to be worth it
 
BLITZ said:
fitz will probs be the best dback we have had since Troy was in his prime. It really sucks we had to give up our 1st rd pick. to get him, but he is going to be worth it
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we have him on his rookie contract, which is more than managable. If we were going after him in FA, that price could be steep in 3 years. If he turns out to be as good as advertised and after one game, he's impressive, the 1st Round pick will be worth it.
 
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fitz will probs be the best dback we have had since Troy was in his prime. It really sucks we had to give up our 1st rd pick. to get him, but he is going to be worth it
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I hope that is true, but based on what??? He played one season with a crap Miami team and put up numbers on par with Sean Davis's rookie numbers.
 
assuming our pick fell in the top 10, we'd likely be looking at a CB, Safety or OLB since Davis and Durpee are UFAs after this season.
so we addressed that by trading for a proven commodity at Safety in Minkah instead of letting Colbert/Tomlin **** up yet another DB pick.
 
Superman said:
assuming our pick fell in the top 10, we'd likely be looking at a CB, Safety or OLB since Davis and Durpee are UFAs after this season.
so we addressed that by trading for a proven commodity at Safety in Minkah instead of letting Colbert/Tomlin **** up yet another DB pick.
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What makes him a proven commodity? He started two more games as a rookie than Sean Davis and their stats are pretty close to the same, the defense he played on was ranked 29th.
I'm not using a top 10 pick on a safety.
 
I assume you saw the game Sunday.

based on that, do you believe he's an upgrade over Davis?
 
The trade is impossible to judge right now. You need to know 2 things: 1. The draft slot given up. 2. How good is he going to be once Tomlin start "teaching" him the defense.
 
Superman said:
I assume you saw the game Sunday.

based on that, do you believe he's an upgrade over Davis?
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For one game, that we still lost, gave up 400+yards.
 
Coryea said:
For one game, that we still lost, gave up 400+yards.
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one guy is not going to prevent that.

IMO, we made a good trade for Minkah. We'll see how he fares going forward.
 
While we are on this subject, it maybe time to discuss Kevin Colbert. All these moves may have a embedded story yet to be told.


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Steelers will not extend GM Kevin Colbert's contract this year and will wait till after the season to do so -- if they do so. At 62 years old Colbert might be thinking about the next phase of his life and it might not include the grind of running an NFL team. We will have to wait and see how the season turns out and how Colbert wants to proceed.
https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/26/steelers-gm-kevin-colbert-retirement/
 
Steelworth said:
Well, in their defense, they haven't had the number 11 pick in the draft in a while. But if it's DB, hmm, yeah I'm still a little skeptical.
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In 13 years Tomlin has NEVER drafted a decent DB in any round. Yet somehow Colbert was able to draft some pretty good ones before the arrival of Mikey Cool Shades.
 
Superman said:
assuming our pick fell in the top 10, we'd likely be looking at a CB, Safety or OLB since Davis and Durpee are UFAs after this season.
so we addressed that by trading for a proven commodity at Safety in Minkah instead of letting Colbert/Tomlin **** up yet another DB pick.
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Exactly. Hopefully the trades for Haden and Fitz are an admission that Tombert simply cannot draft and develop DB's, and things of that nature, if you will, obviously.
 
I'm sorry but I can't blame Colbert. He drafts what the coach wants to fit his scheme. This is the guy who drafted Casey Hampton. Don't tell me he couldn't do it again. He isn't being asked to. Colbert is the perfect type of GM for a coach. He finds the HC what he wants. He wants smaller faster LBs? He finds them. You don't need a NT? Ok we won't draft one. He's only as good as the HC. He and Cowher found guys even late in the draft like Keisel who was a 7th rounder. Hampton, Keisel, K.Bell, Hope, Foote ETC... Find him a competent HC and Colbert can find his players.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
In 13 years Tomlin has NEVER drafted a decent DB in any round. Yet somehow Colbert was able to draft some pretty good ones before the arrival of Mikey Cool Shades.
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From ‘00-‘07, which DBs that Colbert picked were any good(besides the obvious #43, who was a pretty “can’t miss” kind of player)? I remember the Hank Poteats, Ricardo Colcloughs, Lavar Glover’s, Bryant McFaddens, and the Anthony Smith’s that we’re slimed out. Outside of Troy P, Ike Taylor is the only other one who was worth a ****, and people do forget that Cowher benched his ***. Taylor really only started to blossom from 2007 on. Chris Hope had a year before cashing in elsewhere. Granted, the Tombert regime blows chunks too (Keenan Lewis the only one who was worth a **** that I can think, and he was like Hope in that he was here for a year before leaving), so they’re pretty damn even. Davis I think is serviceable but probably not much more than that; Cameron Sutton has made some plays in this young season, but he’s STILL an unknown.
 
chipped ham said:
From ‘00-‘07, which DBs that Colbert picked were any good(besides the obvious #43, who was a pretty “can’t miss” kind of player)? I remember the Hank Poteats, Ricardo Colcloughs, Lavar Glover’s, Bryant McFaddens, and the Anthony Smith’s that we’re slimed out. Outside of Troy P, Ike Taylor is the only other one who was worth a ****, and people do forget that Cowher benched his ***. Taylor really only started to blossom from 2007 on. Chris Hope had a year before cashing in elsewhere. Granted, the Tombert regime blows chunks too (Keenan Lewis the only one who was worth a **** that I can think, and he was like Hope in that he was here for a year before leaving), so they’re pretty damn even. Davis I think is serviceable but probably not much more than that; Cameron Sutton has made some plays in this young season, but he’s STILL an unknown.
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Colbert was with Cowher for 7 years. He's been with Tomlin for 13 years. Almost double the time. He drafted better offensive and defensive players with Cowher in 7 as he has in 13 with Tomlin. How many Hood, Jones, Allen, Burns, Davis, Dupree, Golson, Thomas, Spence, C.Brown type players can an organization take?
 
Coryea said:
What makes him a proven commodity? He started two more games as a rookie than Sean Davis and their stats are pretty close to the same, the defense he played on was ranked 29th.
I'm not using a top 10 pick on a safety.
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I'm not sure how you could watch Fitzpatrick and Davis and even think they're in the same stratosphere as players.
 
chipped ham said:
From ‘00-‘07, which DBs that Colbert picked were any good(besides the obvious #43, who was a pretty “can’t miss” kind of player)? I remember the Hank Poteats, Ricardo Colcloughs, Lavar Glover’s, Bryant McFaddens, and the Anthony Smith’s that we’re slimed out. Outside of Troy P, Ike Taylor is the only other one who was worth a ****, and people do forget that Cowher benched his ***. Taylor really only started to blossom from 2007 on. Chris Hope had a year before cashing in elsewhere. Granted, the Tombert regime blows chunks too (Keenan Lewis the only one who was worth a **** that I can think, and he was like Hope in that he was here for a year before leaving), so they’re pretty damn even. Davis I think is serviceable but probably not much more than that; Cameron Sutton has made some plays in this young season, but he’s STILL an unknown.
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I never said Cowher was great at drafting DB's but Troy, Ike, Ryan Clark, and Willie Gay were all far better than anyone drafted since Tomlin has been here. And as mentioned, Colbert has been with Tomlin twice as long as he was with Cowher. The two best DB's we have now came from other teams.
 
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