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"Budding" as a leader already?

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Dupree was never a big time sack guy in college. 7.5 sacks for the season is the most he ever recorded. I think he's solid ( word used correctly, not applied to Jarvis Jones ) pass rusher, good enough to get some sacks and QB pressures. Dupree has the right build to be tough vs. the run with speed to make plays away from his gap. That's how I see him maturing. The bonus upside will be if he can get a feel and learn coverage in the zone.

I don't see him as a 10+ sack man for the season. I think he'll range between 5-8 sacks while he's here.
 
If he hit the rookie wall last year, he hit it at the end of September...
 
Dupree did flash last year. The physical tools are there unlike with Jarvis so I feel he has more upside. His production was poor in college so I am hoping that was because he was moved around to so many positions and switching defenses so many times that he never got a good feel for any of the positions. I have hopes still for him to have a 15+ sack season!!
 
FordFairLane said:
Dupree did flash last year. The physical tools are there unlike with Jarvis so I feel he has more upside. His production was poor in college so I am hoping that was because he was moved around to so many positions and switching defenses so many times that he never got a good feel for any of the positions. I have hopes still for him to have a 15+ sack season!!
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I think I remember reading that he didn't even have an LB coach? or was that someone else?
 
If we're lucky he'll be Clark Haggans or a little better. 8-10 sacks would be nice.
 
mightyguru said:
If we're lucky he'll be Clark Haggans or a little better. 8-10 sacks would be nice.
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I thought of a Haggans comparison, but I am hoping for a little better than that. I mean, Dupree was a first rounder. I'm hoping for flirting with 10 sacks. His 4 sacks in year one is as good or better than our great OLB's rookie years, matching Woodley and surpassing Porter, Lloyd, et al.
 
ark steel said:
I think I remember reading that he didn't even have an LB coach? or was that someone else?
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it was him and Chickillo too. Both weren't correctly developed in college
 
POP said:
I thought of a Haggans comparison, but I am hoping for a little better than that. I mean, Dupree was a first rounder. I'm hoping for flirting with 10 sacks. His 4 sacks in year one is as good or better than our great OLB's rookie years, matching Woodley and surpassing Porter, Lloyd, et al.
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yeap, Haggans wasn't as explosive as Dupree, not even close.
 
POP said:
I thought of a Haggans comparison, but I am hoping for a little better than that. I mean, Dupree was a first rounder. I'm hoping for flirting with 10 sacks. His 4 sacks in year one is as good or better than our great OLB's rookie years, matching Woodley and surpassing Porter, Lloyd, et al.
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I'm talking about this year. I think his ceiiing is much higher.
 
All I know is Bud will be a hell of a lot better this year than UNCLE JARVIS. Doesn't matter what wall he hit last year as he was pretty solid as a rookie. Sack total near 10, double Uncle's career to date.




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FordFairLane said:
Dupree did flash last year. The physical tools are there unlike with Jarvis so I feel he has more upside. His production was poor in college so I am hoping that was because he was moved around to so many positions and switching defenses so many times that he never got a good feel for any of the positions. I have hopes still for him to have a 15+ sack season!!
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I am hoping for the same as well. Dupree has, as you said, all of the tools that you want from a top pass rusher, but now needs to develop his technique. There are guys who develop into stars after having mediocre college statistics and given the skill set that Dupree brings to the table, there is no reason to think that he can't put up 10+ sacks.
 
I almost forgot Bud's size and speed skills. Here is a man who is 6-4, 270 lbs who ran a 4.56 forty. Those are freakish skills.

I think the fact that, in only his 2nd year, he is providing leadership to the rookies says a lot.

It also means he has learned a lot after just 1 season. A lot of 2nd year guys would not speak up and teach the system so soon.
 
Coach said:
Dupree was never a big time sack guy in college. 7.5 sacks for the season is the most he ever recorded. I think he's solid ( word used correctly, not applied to Jarvis Jones ) pass rusher, good enough to get some sacks and QB pressures. Dupree has the right build to be tough vs. the run with speed to make plays away from his gap. That's how I see him maturing. The bonus upside will be if he can get a feel and learn coverage in the zone.

I don't see him as a 10+ sack man for the season. I think he'll range between 5-8 sacks while he's here.
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JJ Watt's best in college was 7 sacks. Ziggy Ansah's best was 4.5. Just like them, Dupree has elite athletic ability to go with his size.

Litos said:
it was him and Chickillo too. Both weren't correctly developed in college
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Kentucky had coaching issues. They kept switching the defense and Dupree did not have a position coach. He had lots to learn.

Miami was pretty much dealing with sanctions. Not officially, but the NCAA was dragging out an investigation for 3 years which made it tough for them to recruit. Chickillo was a 5 star recruit and they had to play him as a bulked up 3-4 DE which was not his best use.

Chickillo is tough and has some pass rush ability but he is nowhere near the athlete as Dupree.
 
ark steel said:
I think I remember reading that he didn't even have an LB coach? or was that someone else?
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Yeah, he played DT, DE, and LB and I think he was without a true position coach several times. I feel that is why the Steelers took him with the lack of production as they must have felt if you give him a coach he should flourish. You could see the raw speed last year but he definitely needs a counter move and a nice swim move to the inside would be advantageous.
 
Dupree was never a big time sack guy in college. 7.5 sacks for the season is the most he ever recorded. I think he's solid ( word used correctly, not applied to Jarvis Jones ) pass rusher, good enough to get some sacks and QB pressures. Dupree has the right build to be tough vs. the run with speed to make plays away from his gap. That's how I see him maturing. The bonus upside will be if he can get a feel and learn coverage in the zone.

I don't see him as a 10+ sack man for the season. I think he'll range between 5-8 sacks while he's here.


tapeANaspirin2it said:
JJ Watt's best in college was 7 sacks. Ziggy Ansah's best was 4.5. Just like them, Dupree has elite athletic ability to go with his size.
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Wasn't Watt a 3-4 end? 7 sacks here is good. If your a 4-3 edge rusher as Dupree was, 7.5 as the best effort in 4 years starting is good, not great.

Yes, Ansah only had 4.5 sacks. He only started for one year and had zero sacks in his other college season.

I agree Dupree is an explosive athlete, but he's not going to make a living on his speed rush alone. He has a lot to learn, particularly hand placement, and needs more pass rush moves. Whether he can be a good 3-4 OLB pass rusher is debatable. I don't' see him as the next Porter, Harrison, Greene, Gildon or Brown in terms of sack production at OLB. I think he's a notch below that.

In fact, the 3-4 OLB spot is hybrid these days. Most of the time they are rushing from a 4 man front.
 
I could plug either of those guys into my Madden franchise league and turn them into 99's within 4 years. Guaranteed!

Ok, maybe 6...
 
Coach said:
Wasn't Watt a 3-4 end? 7 sacks here is good. If your a 4-3 edge rusher as Dupree was, 7.5 as the best effort in 4 years starting is good, not great.
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I watched about 3 minutes of Youtube clips and established that he was a dominant force on a four-man front.
 
Cope said:
Jarvis Jones had more production than your savior Durpee from October 1st onward including the playoffs, ya know...
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Maybe your missing the obvious here: Bud was a rookie. As a rookie he had more sacks than did Porter, Lloyd and Harrison and tied Woodley in sacks with 4.

But you are comparing a rookie with a 3rd-year player who was a mid-first round pick.

Apples and oranges.

You _DO_ know that rookie OLBs are at a huge disadvantage to a 3rd-year player, right? You _ARE_ aware of this, right? Rookie OLBs, even ones who end up great, do not produce much in Pgh. This is a statistical fact. You KNOW that, right?
 
Coach said:
Dupree was never a big time sack guy in college. 7.5 sacks for the season is the most he ever recorded. I think he's solid ( word used correctly, not applied to Jarvis Jones ) pass rusher, good enough to get some sacks and QB pressures. Dupree has the right build to be tough vs. the run with speed to make plays away from his gap. That's how I see him maturing. The bonus upside will be if he can get a feel and learn coverage in the zone.

I don't see him as a 10+ sack man for the season. I think he'll range between 5-8 sacks while he's here.




Wasn't Watt a 3-4 end? 7 sacks here is good. If your a 4-3 edge rusher as Dupree was, 7.5 as the best effort in 4 years starting is good, not great.

Yes, Ansah only had 4.5 sacks. He only started for one year and had zero sacks in his other college season.

I agree Dupree is an explosive athlete, but he's not going to make a living on his speed rush alone. He has a lot to learn, particularly hand placement, and needs more pass rush moves. Whether he can be a good 3-4 OLB pass rusher is debatable. I don't' see him as the next Porter, Harrison, Greene, Gildon or Brown in terms of sack production at OLB. I think he's a notch below that.

In fact, the 3-4 OLB spot is hybrid these days. Most of the time they are rushing from a 4 man front.
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And JJ Watt's highest sack total in college was only 7. Did he end up being any good in the NFL?
 
POP said:
Maybe your missing the obvious here: Bud was a rookie. As a rookie he had more sacks than did Porter, Lloyd and Harrison and tied Woodley in sacks with 4.

But you are comparing a rookie with a 3rd-year player who was a mid-first round pick.

Apples and oranges.

You _DO_ know that rookie OLBs are at a huge disadvantage to a 3rd-year player, right? You _ARE_ aware of this, right? Rookie OLBs, even ones who end up great, do not produce much in Pgh. This is a statistical fact. You KNOW that, right?
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I don't require repetition. You said he hit the wall at the end of the year, I said he hit it in October. Now you'd like to change your stance.

I'm not high on Bud. He looked like a post contract Woodley for his last 3 months, while the guy you constantly dog got stronger and made plays. The thing I like about JJ, is he has a nose for turnovers. He forces fumbles, recovers them, and intercepts. That's what I like about JJ.
 
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Dupree made improvements in each of his four college seasons for sack totals, from 2.5, 6.5, 7 with 7.5 being his senior season. That was over only 12 games, his senior season. So, if you allow a degree of adjustment and growth as he becomes a seasoned pro, with some optimism that he'll improve from season to season, as he did in college and extrapolate 7.5 sacks in 12 games to a 16 game season, he should reasonably push for 10 sacks/season. In their respective rookie seasons, Woodley and Dupree each had 4 sacks. Woodley followed his rookie season with 11.5, 13.5 and 10 sacks before his fat contract and fat self! Very respectable, but not off the charts. Not far fetched to expect Dupree to push similar numbers, if he develops, which is very much a possibility!
 
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