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Bettis says Tomlin didn't have his team prepared

Neither did Cowher when they lost to SD, Dallas, NE, Den, NE, Tenn, NE.. etc
 
Coryea said:
Come on, that's too easy, did any of those teams come in with a crap offense and totally embarrass us?

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San Diego? Stan Humphreys?

Couldn't manage to score more than a FG against NE in 96.

Cowher decided to stop running Jerome against Denver and put the ball in Kordell hands when we were winning.



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Steelerfan81 said:
San Diego? Stan Humphreys?

Couldn't manage to score more than a FG against NE in 96.

Cowher decided to stop running Jerome against Denver and put the ball in Kordell hands when we were winning.



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SD had a top 5 offense that year while playing a tougher schedule than us.

NE game was crap.

It's funny, everyone complains Cowher played Martyball, to predictable, then when we go for the throat to go up two scores by doing something unpredictable everyone complains.

We made 4AFCCGs with Neil and Kordell under Cowher.
We've made 3AFCCGs with a HOF QB under Tomlin.

Why is no one allowed to question the Head Coach?

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It's the constant piling on Tomlin. Everyone on this board was sick of Cowher and wanted him out back in the day.

So many coaches have had HOF QBs and never won a SB. Or only one 1. It's just how it is. I know we all want to win it every year, but **** happens. Injuries have screwed us. Also coaching has hurt us. But it wasn't any different than Cowher.

The growing old Defense didn't do Tomlin any favors from 2011-2014. They finally have basically re-tooled the unit in the front 7 then Shazier gets injured.
 
I hate that the biggest defense of Tomlin is that Cowher did this and that too. I just don't get how Cowher's bad losses have anything to do with Tomlin and automatically absolves him of all wrongdoing. They're mutually exclusive.

Cowher wasn't Vince Lombardi, he was a good coach but hardly "the standard".
 
Yeah people bitched about Cowher, but not sure that many wanted him gone. Once it seemed like he wasn't into it anymore yeah, but everyone wanted him back once we drafted Ben.

We didn't constantly play like **** or make **** QBs look like Montana under Cowher either.

I'm not in the fire Tomlin camp either, no way, but I think he needs to get his **** straight, that's what's holding us back right now.
We can quantify what Tomlin has done by saying well look what happened under Cowher, but Cowher didn't have a HOF QB either. Then why is it the worse thing to say Tomlin won with Cowhers players?

Is there one offensive player from the Jags that would start on our team? That O put up 45 on us, the most ever in the playoffs vs a Steelers team I believe. Then it comes out after, that Tomlin has been calling the defense and running the meetings, anyone with a brain could see he's been doing that for a few seasons now, but it was reported by Ed who wouldn't make that up.
We're sitting here talking about needing ILBS, Safeties, etc, but maybe our coach needs to quit being so damn stubborn and actually game plan to attack a teams weaknesses instead of "we do what we do"

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Steelerfan81 said:
It's the constant piling on Tomlin. Everyone on this board was sick of Cowher and wanted him out back in the day.

So many coaches have had HOF QBs and never won a SB. Or only one 1. It's just how it is. I know we all want to win it every year, but **** happens. Injuries have screwed us. Also coaching has hurt us. But it wasn't any different than Cowher.
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Cowher had his shortcomings too and I think he should have done more with the talent he had, of course he lost two AFCCG's to the Pats***** when we now know they were cheating.
 
nitsuj1225 said:
I hate that the biggest defense of Tomlin is that Cowher did this and that too. I just don't get how Cowher's bad losses have anything to do with Tomlin and automatically absolves him of all wrongdoing. They're mutually exclusive.

Cowher wasn't Vince Lombardi, he was a good coach but hardly "the standard".
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You're right. But also some of the biggest attacks are exaclty the other way. Tomlin won with Cowher players... Cowher didn't have a hall of fame qb for most of his career..

Yeah, Cowher didn't have a HoF QB but he had a great defense when it mattered most.

But I missed Cowher when he left. Tomlin?? I don't think I will miss him that much.
 
nitsuj1225 said:
I hate that the biggest defense of Tomlin is that Cowher did this and that too. I just don't get how Cowher's bad losses have anything to do with Tomlin and automatically absolves him of all wrongdoing. They're mutually exclusive.

Cowher wasn't Vince Lombardi, he was a good coach but hardly "the standard".
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Because most of those people will say Tomlin won with Cowhers players, or will say they'd rather have Cowher.

Not everyone, but a lot of people.
 
It's fair to say Tomlin wasn't prepared, Ben wasn't prepared (throwing early pick), Haley wasn't prepared (dumbass 4th & 1 calls), Keith Butler wasn't prepared (giving up 45 friggin pts?), the D-line wasn't prepared, the entire defense wasn't prepared and so on.

Time to put this game behind us and move on.
 
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Tibs said:
I think it's fair to say Tomlin wasn't prepared, Ben wasn't prepared (throwing early pick), Haley wasn't prepared (dumbass 4th & 1 calls), Keith Butler wasn't prepared (giving up 45 friggin pts?), the D-line wasn't prepared, the entire defense wasn't prepared and so on.

Time to put this game behind us and move on.
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I agree, but that all goes back to the head man, and we can't get better if he won't start doing things differently

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Cowher was a pretty cool old school coach. Tomlin is a pretty cool new school coach. I really dont think either is exactly in the top tier of their era. Though both certainly top ten. Neither is even close to the greats really.
 
Tibs said:
It's fair to say Tomlin wasn't prepared, Ben wasn't prepared (throwing early pick), Haley wasn't prepared (dumbass 4th & 1 calls), Keith Butler wasn't prepared (giving up 45 friggin pts?), the D-line wasn't prepared, the entire defense wasn't prepared and so on.

Time to put this game behind us and move on.
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As a fan, I wasn't prepared for a loss...
 
Bettis says Tomlin didn't have his team prepared.

"Bettis says Tomlin didn't have his team prepared."

And water is wet.
 
San Diego is probably the only playoff loss under Cowher where the steelers were clearly better and should have won. Tomlin loses fairly often to inferior opponents.

Besides, they should have beaten SD. The last play should have been an easy TD on a short pass to the RB (foster?) over the middle. He ran the route too deep. He went into the endzone on the route which gave the LB a chance to cut in front and knock it down. If he runs that route just to the line and not past it, it’s an easy catch and he falls in the endzone.

People talk about cowher coming up short in AFC Champ games but they fail to recognize that to even get that far, he had the steelers playing over their heads with mediocre to ****** QB play.

Basically many of Cowher’s teams were like this year’s Jags. It’s no black mark that they lost to the Pats. It was a tremendous coaching job to even get that far and they had a shot to win against a better overall team.
 
Even if you are a big Tomlin supporter, you have to admit that to this point, he has avoided almost any criticism at all from the media. He gets some on message boards and maybe a few guys calling radio stations but for the most part, the local media has absolved him of nearly all mistakes, and the national media held him up on a pedestal.

only now has the finally changed. This year, the national media, for the first time has noticed just how much talent is packed on this roster and how long it’s been since the steelers played in the SB. This year, they finally noticed how often the steelers look completely unprepared against bad teams.

This is a good thing. Tomlin has been awfully comfortable his whole career. Let’s see how his approach changes when for the first time his name will start to get mentioned as a guy on a hot seat, or at least a warm one.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
People talk about cowher coming up short in AFC Champ games but they fail to recognize that to even get that far, he had the steelers playing over their heads with mediocre to ****** QB play.
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We learned that MartyBall does not translate well to the playoffs and Cowher didn't win a SB until he learned to get out of his own way as a coach, hire good coordinators, and let them do their thing.

tapeANaspirin2it said:
This is a good thing. Tomlin has been awfully comfortable his whole career. Let’s see how his approach changes when for the first time his name will start to get mentioned as a guy on a hot seat, or at least a warm one.
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I didn't think he deserved that last extension so soon and they damn sure better not give him another one until he wins a lwoB repuS. I go so far as to say put a $5 million bonus in his contract payable every time he beats Belicheat. Hell, make it $10 million. It's not like they'll actually have to pay it.
 
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I dont care what Cowher did or didn't. One thing is to lose due to fluke plays and or a very talented rival, but getting punched in the teeth like that at home in the playoffs? Jax aren't jaggernauts, they should have never been close to 30 points against our D, even without Shazier. There was no urgency until too late. Bortles had time to make himself a dry martini, shaken, not stirred in almost every dropback
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Even if you are a big Tomlin supporter, you have to admit that to this point, he has avoided almost any criticism at all from the media. He gets some on message boards and maybe a few guys calling radio stations but for the most part, the local media has absolved him of nearly all mistakes, and the national media held him up on a pedestal.

only now has the finally changed. This year, the national media, for the first time has noticed just how much talent is packed on this roster and how long it’s been since the steelers played in the SB. This year, they finally noticed how often the steelers look completely unprepared against bad teams.

This is a good thing. Tomlin has been awfully comfortable his whole career. Let’s see how his approach changes when for the first time his name will start to get mentioned as a guy on a hot seat, or at least a warm one.
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Put him on a warm seat. I think cool shades can get it done if he feels the pressure.
I agree, he's been too comfortable.

Consistent comfiness = complacency.
That attitude needs to change and needs to expect more out of him and his roster
 
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