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Ben Roethlisberger Barely Plays Under Center Anymore

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Over the course of the 2017 regular season, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger played a total of 1060 snaps, factoring in everything, including no-plays, pre-snap penalties, two-point conversion attempts, etc. he only lined up under center for 295 of those plays, or 27.8 percent of the time.

This data is taken from our own charting, which we spend hours upon hours of doing every single season. While he is probably an example of the extreme end, however, he is a representative of the fact that NFL offenses are slowly moving away from prioritization of playing under center, for all the ails and ills that provides.

The reasons for this, both generally and specifically for the Steelers, are many. Globally, it is more representative of the game at the college level, and is as it has been for years. More players, and more coaches, that have been used to that style make up the NFL’s physical and mental talent than in the past.

Shotgun snaps also are of preference to offenses who primarily pass the football, which is nearly every team in nearly every season at this point, with occasional exceptions. Ben Volin provided data on the number of passes thrown by all quarterbacks in 2017 from the shotgun, and 24 of them threw at least 300 passes. The full-time starter who used it least frequently was Brian Hoyer before he was benched.


Regarding Pittsburgh in particular, it is relatively easy to gather that Roethlisberger prefers to play out of the shotgun, which is likely at least in part a product of getting older and losing mobility. Playing in the shotgun means you don’t have to turn your back to the defense when you drop back to pass or hand off.

Of course, that’s less of a problem when you are actually handing the ball off. Including no-play runs, Roethlisberger was under center for 208 runs in 2017. But he was in the shotgun for 175, or greater than 45 percent of the Steelers’ running plays with Roethlisberger on the field, which is significant.

Of all dropbacks, he was in the shotgun on 566 plays. He was only under center for 61 passing plays, or less than 10 percent.

The drawback of the shotgun pass is that it makes it more difficult to sell the play-action pass, even if that has fallen out of favor in the Steelers’ offense for whatever reason—presumably, because Roethlisberger doesn’t care to do it a great deal, roughly 10 percent, among the very lowest in the league.

He ran play action 65 times in 2017, 23 of which did come from the shotgun. And admittedly he was pretty effective using it, too, completing 16 of 20 non-penalty pass attempts for 164 yards and one touchdown with no interceptions.

From under center, he only completed 12 of 26 non-penalty pass attempts for 108 yards, though with two touchdowns. Two of his incompletions were drops, however, and he threw two passes away. He was sacked four times and scrambled twice.

Wonder if this will continue under new Coordinator. Cant really have a good Play action game when you are not under center
 
"Cant really have a good Play action game when you are not under center"

Not sure if this was your commentary on the article or if it was the article itself but the article says otherwise..."He ran play action 65 times in 2017, 23 of which did come from the shotgun. And admittedly he was pretty effective using it, too, completing 16 of 20 non-penalty pass attempts for 164 yards and one touchdown with no interceptions."

If Ben prefers the shotgun, let him do it, fine by me. I just hated seeing shotgun pass > shotgun pass > shotgun pass > under center run play...it was so predictable when we were going to run.
 
"Cant really have a good Play action game when you are not under center"

Not sure if this was your commentary on the article or if it was the article itself but the article says otherwise..."He ran play action 65 times in 2017, 23 of which did come from the shotgun. And admittedly he was pretty effective using it, too, completing 16 of 20 non-penalty pass attempts for 164 yards and one touchdown with no interceptions."

If Ben prefers the shotgun, let him do it, fine by me. I just hated seeing shotgun pass > shotgun pass > shotgun pass > under center run play...it was so predictable when we were going to run.

Too predictable.
Hoping Fitch has some better formations that are not dead giveaways
 
"Cant really have a good Play action game when you are not under center"

Not sure if this was your commentary on the article or if it was the article itself but the article says otherwise..."He ran play action 65 times in 2017, 23 of which did come from the shotgun. And admittedly he was pretty effective using it, too, completing 16 of 20 non-penalty pass attempts for 164 yards and one touchdown with no interceptions."

If Ben prefers the shotgun, let him do it, fine by me. I just hated seeing shotgun pass > shotgun pass > shotgun pass > under center run play...it was so predictable when we were going to run.

Yes we ran it from shotgun but how effective was it? Did it result in chunk yardage. TDs. Thats is what people are asking about when they say we dont have a good play action game as a team.
 
They already talked about using the Pistol with Fichtner's offense. That is definitely a Ben request.
 
Yes we ran it from shotgun but how effective was it? Did it result in chunk yardage. TDs. Thats is what people are asking about when they say we dont have a good play action game as a team.

I don't know what people you are referring to but personally I just want less predictability in general, it doesn't have to be a huge play, just move the chains. To answer your question, a 10 yard average on running play action from shotgun is pretty damn good and makes you wonder why they didn't run it more.

Play action is just one way to be less predictable. If Ben wants to run shotgun 90% of the time, go ahead but that doesn't mean the other 10% is under center run plays which is what we saw under Haley. Every single time they went shotgun for a few plays in a row, I would have bet my life it was going to be a run play if they came out under center the following play and would have been right 99 times out of 100. And people wonder why Bell's YPC dropped...poor guy was running when my 2 year old knew a handoff was coming.
 
I don't know what people you are referring to but personally I just want less predictability in general, it doesn't have to be a huge play, just move the chains. To answer your question, a 10 yard average on running play action from shotgun is pretty damn good and makes you wonder why they didn't run it more.

Play action is just one way to be less predictable. If Ben wants to run shotgun 90% of the time, go ahead but that doesn't mean the other 10% is under center run plays which is what we saw under Haley. Every single time they went shotgun for a few plays in a row, I would have bet my life it was going to be a run play if they came out under center the following play and would have been right 99 times out of 100. And people wonder why Bell's YPC dropped...poor guy was running when my 2 year old knew a handoff was coming.

If you are ever in the game threads alot of people say we dont run playaction enough especially around the goaline and in the redzone.
 
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Goaline I agree they are not running enough PA and short yardage situations in general. Redzone is splitting hairs since between the 20-10 yard lines is similar to the rest of the field in terms of plays that can be run.

But even worse than not running PA at the goaline is running empty backfield which we saw a lot. At least give the perception you COULD run...they certainly weren't running a QB draw. I wouldn't call 3 yards from a goal-to-go at the 3 "chunk yardage" though.
 
Goaline I agree they are not running enough PA and short yardage situations in general. Redzone is splitting hairs since between the 20-10 yard lines is similar to the rest of the field in terms of plays that can be run.

But even worse than not running PA at the goaline is running empty backfield which we saw a lot. At least give the perception you COULD run...they certainly weren't running a QB draw. I wouldn't call 3 yards from a goal-to-go at the 3 "chunk yardage" though.

I absolutely hate empty shotgun in goaline and short yardage and short yardage situations. Especially when we first started doing it..
 
Part of the ineffective running is also due to a RB who can't for the life of him break a 30 yard run.

He NEEDS that shotgun separation to wait for a gap or Bell would go down even quicker.
 
Part of the ineffective running is also due to a RB who can't for the life of him break a 30 yard run.

He NEEDS that shotgun separation to wait for a gap or Bell would go down even quicker.

Seemed to work well enough for Bettis he wasnt known for breaking off 30 yards runs
 
I absolutely hate empty shotgun in goaline and short yardage and short yardage situations. Especially when we first started doing it..

It's too obvious.
Gives the defense enough time to read and play man.

Although the Steelers probably feel confident enough in the receivers to get open I suppose
 
The shotgun does limit your running options. If you are in an I formation or a Pistol where the RB is directly behind the QB, it does not tip which side the run may go. Shotgun means the RB is lined up to the side. This usually means a run will go to the opposite side of the RB. So if he's to the left of the QB, a run will most likely go right as the RB crosses in front of the QB to take the handoff.

You really can't have a power run game from shotgun unless you want to go real old school and have 3 RBs in the backfield to lead block. If you do a shotgun with 1 RB, you pretty much have to do all draws and delays and counters. Sound familiar?

Lots of colleges run from shotgun because their QB is a runner. Ohio State can do power from the shotgun because the RB can block for the QB. Ben isn't doing any designed runs outside of a QB sneak so the defense doesn't have this threat.

I'd like to see more power running from under center. That doesn't mean you go from 27% under center to 60% under center. Maybe more like 35-40%. You can't expect to be good at something you only do 27% of the time. It's not fair to ask the OL to transform into a bunch of road graders when you barely do it. Especially these days when you barely hit in practice.
 
He wasn't asking to be the highest paid rb by a mile either, and he played on an offense that wasn't much of a passing threat.

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Not sure what Bettis contract demands have to do with play action but carry on
 
The empty shotgun is ridiculous but running the base O out of the shotgun is not a problem at all. Hell, Marsha has been doing it for almost 2 decades and despite the cheating has 5 SB's and is considered the GOAT by almost everyone.
 
The empty shotgun is ridiculous but running the base O out of the shotgun is not a problem at all. Hell, Marsha has been doing it for almost 2 decades and despite the cheating has 5 SB's and is considered the GOAT by almost everyone.
Same with Aaron Rodgers

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Not sure what Bettis has to do with any of this, but you brought him up.

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In response to wig about long runs. Bettis didnt break alot of them just like Bell didnt last year. Didnt stop us from using play action when we had Bettis.. had nothing to do with contracts.
 
In response to wig about long runs. Bettis didnt break alot of them just like Bell didnt last year. Didnt stop us from using play action when we had Bettis.. had nothing to do with contracts.
Totally different offense, philosophy, personnel.

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Totally different offense, philosophy, personnel.

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I know that. Unless i read it wrong wig's response alluded that the lack of long runs contributes to the lack of play action. Where my response that we ran it sucessfully before with Bettis who also didnt break long runs alot.
 
Better see some Power I this year with a new OC. This ******* shotgun with no FB in running situations is ridiculous. Lets toss sweep on 3rd or 4th and short without a lead blocker. Let our FB hit the lead guy in the hole and let the line create space so Bell can pick his spot. In short yardage we need to get Nix on the field to hit someone.
 
Better see some Power I this year with a new OC. This ******* shotgun with no FB in running situations is ridiculous. Lets toss sweep on 3rd or 4th and short without a lead blocker. Let our FB hit the lead guy in the hole and let the line create space so Bell can pick his spot. In short yardage we need to get Nix on the field to hit someone.

Not defending the play cause i hated it and would of ran straight ahead 100 times. If Mcdonald gets his block on Ramsey that play is a first and maybe alot more.
 
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