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Barkley declares for NFL Draft

I think the Browns will get Barkley and their QB in the first four picks. They could have a crazy good offense by 2019
 
thesteelcity said:
yea, it's time for them to turn the corner. Two top 4 picks, a ton of cap space and a new GM.
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I honestly can't imagine a scenario where they don't take Barkley. If they don't, they are doomed to eternal losing seasons.
 
Barkley is the best and most complete RB to come out since Marshal Faulk. He can return kicks, run WR routes, pass protect. He's can run like a power back and move a pile or he can make people miss like a scat back.

You take all of that physical talent and you also add in work ethic, discipline, and a team first attitude.

He should have won the Heisman this year. He is by far the best player in college. The PSU OL struggled so as an adjustment he was kept in to block pretty often. His numbers dipped which is the only reason he didn't win it. He never once complained about his role. he would do anything he was asked. Including playing in the bowl game and plaing hard and not bithcing out like Fournette or McCaffrey.

I truly hope he does not wind up in Cleveland. Not only because the steelers would have to face him, but because everything goes wrong there and i'd like to see him have a great career somewhere far away from the steelers.

It reminds me of when Ki-Jana Carter was the first pick of the Bengals. I just knew something would go wrong and he blew out his knee preseason of his rookie year on their practice field. A field that Carter offered to pay out of his own pocket to have a new surface installed. That was back before ACL surgery was perfected and it was 50/50 you even played again and those that did were never the same.

I just hope Barkley somehow ends up somewhere without a black cloud overhead.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
I honestly can't imagine a scenario where they don't take Barkley. If they don't, they are doomed to eternal losing seasons.
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The only scenario I can see is if somebody offers Cleveland a trade or if Cleveland falls in love with one of the QBs. They have passed now on too many QBs that have turned out to be good. If they decide one of the QBs is their man, they have to get him no matter what.

I can see maybe the Colts offering a trade to get Barkley. Yes they have needs but if they can upgrade the OL through free agency, then Barkley could be a guy who kicks that offense to the next level.


Here's the draft order

1 Browns 0-16
2 Giants 3-13
3 Colts 4-12
4 Browns (from Texans) 4-12
5 Broncos 5-11
6 Jets 5-11
7 Buccaneers 5-11
8 Bears 5-11
9 or 10 49ers 6-10 (coin flip)
9 or 10 Raiders 6-10 (coin flip)
11 Dolphins 6-10
12 Bengals 7-9
13 or 14 Washington 7-9 (coin flip)
13 or 14 Green Bay 7-9 (coin flip)
15 Cardinals 8-8
16 Ravens 9-7
17 Chargers 9-7
18 Seahawks 9-7
19 or 20 Cowboys 9-7 (coin flip)
19 or 20 Lions 9-7 (coin flip)
 
Thanks for the years Barkley, you were a blast to watch on the field! It's a good move for him, and it's a good move for PSU, they have incredible backs coming in. The Freshman from Harrisburg is sick. Can't wait to see him on Saturdays!
 
running backs tend to get devalued in the draft....they can slide since a quality back can be drafted in later rounds.....but, the stains do have two top 4 picks....so they could take a RB and still get one of the top QB prospects they are the browns though and will likely screw the pooch
 
Kid has a ton of talent... but many with his hype failed miserably in the league do to injury or simple inability to adjust to the pros... there was a time when if you said Kajana Carter would be a total bust, penn staters would crucify you... and Reggie bush, that guy was goning to redefine the position ... there are tons.... RB is not an important position... the difference between good and great at the position is smaller than any other one but gaurd... I don't care if he is Barry Sanders merged with Tony Dorsett... you take Qb or a great defender that high... let some other team grab him and deal with a jealous rival team blowing his knee out in preseason...
 
Ki-Jana failed because he blew out his knee. He came back and did have an OK career but never got his speed back after that injury.

Anybody can fail due to injury. Aside from that, i think so many hyped up RBs fail because they had it too easy in college and never learned how to really run. That's why so many Alabama backs have struggled and why Reggie Bush struggled. You run through gaping holes all your college career and you don't develop vision.

I like RBs who had to work for it. When i watch a highlight reel of run after run of a guy hitting a big hole and running straight to the endzone, i basically don't even count that. I want to see a guy who can find a crack and make people miss. That's what it takes to run in the NFL.

PSU's OL was not very good. Barkley averaged NEGATIVE half a yard before contact, meaning he usually had to make a guy miss behind the line before he even got going. This guy had very few runs that were easy.

Also, PSU's offense is based on Run Pass Options (RPO). They do RPO nearly every play. That means pretty much every lay for Barkley is him in shotgun and the QB puts it in his gut and he doesn't know if the QB is going to give it to him or take it back and run or pass it himself. He has to stand there flat footed watching the defense come for him and then he gets the ball with guys bearing down on him.

I do think he will have a bit of an adjustment going to a more tradition approach but it should actually be easier for him to know he is getting the ball and where the play is designed to go prior to the snap.

One thing to look for is how many people he makes miss or breaks tackles on his runs. It is rare he is tackled by the first guy unless he's boxed in. His legs are so thick, he runs through arm tackles.

When you look at highlights of his big runs, something to look for is his 6th sense for when a tackler is going to make that last lunge at his ankles. How many times do you see a RB with open field and that DB dives and clips his ankle and trips him up. Barkley has this unbelievable skill where he sense that and does a small hop just at the right time and keeps going. It's easy to not even notice, but once you do, it's amazing how good he is at that.

I think Barkley will go top 3 because he is so versatile. The NFL seems to have re-discovered how much a true every down back can do for a team. Look at Bell and Gurley and Zeke. They are not the plug and play back. They contribute in all aspects and are easily worth a top 5 draft pick. I believe we will start to see a shift back to teams looking for that impact RB . Sure the committee type RBs will be available late, but the special RBs like Barkley are back in style.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Ki-Jana failed because he blew out his knee. He came back and did have an OK career but never got his speed back after that injury.

Anybody can fail due to injury. Aside from that, i think so many hyped up RBs fail because they had it too easy in college and never learned how to really run. That's why so many Alabama backs have struggled and why Reggie Bush struggled. You run through gaping holes all your college career and you don't develop vision.

I like RBs who had to work for it. When i watch a highlight reel of run after run of a guy hitting a big hole and running straight to the endzone, i basically don't even count that. I want to see a guy who can find a crack and make people miss. That's what it takes to run in the NFL.

PSU's OL was not very good. Barkley averaged NEGATIVE half a yard before contact, meaning he usually had to make a guy miss behind the line before he even got going. This guy had very few runs that were easy.

Also, PSU's offense is based on Run Pass Options (RPO). They do RPO nearly every play. That means pretty much every lay for Barkley is him in shotgun and the QB puts it in his gut and he doesn't know if the QB is going to give it to him or take it back and run or pass it himself. He has to stand there flat footed watching the defense come for him and then he gets the ball with guys bearing down on him.

I do think he will have a bit of an adjustment going to a more tradition approach but it should actually be easier for him to know he is getting the ball and where the play is designed to go prior to the snap.

One thing to look for is how many people he makes miss or breaks tackles on his runs. It is rare he is tackled by the first guy unless he's boxed in. His legs are so thick, he runs through arm tackles.

When you look at highlights of his big runs, something to look for is his 6th sense for when a tackler is going to make that last lunge at his ankles. How many times do you see a RB with open field and that DB dives and clips his ankle and trips him up. Barkley has this unbelievable skill where he sense that and does a small hop just at the right time and keeps going. It's easy to not even notice, but once you do, it's amazing how good he is at that.

I think Barkley will go top 3 because he is so versatile. The NFL seems to have re-discovered how much a true every down back can do for a team. Look at Bell and Gurley and Zeke. They are not the plug and play back. They contribute in all aspects and are easily worth a top 5 draft pick. I believe we will start to see a shift back to teams looking for that impact RB . Sure the committee type RBs will be available late, but the special RBs like Barkley are back in style.
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Got it... all SEC RB's suck🤥🤥🤥

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A lot of talk Cleveland is going Josh Allen with the top pick. He's probably the most hyped of the group of 'elite' quarterback prospects. But if they get their quarterback, there is no reason they shouldn't move up to lock in Barkley and then try to add another receiver later in the draft. That'd lay the foundation for their offense.
 
Same owner, same coach next year apparently. They could have 5 first round picks and they would still suck.
 
There is a limit to how many top picks you could have and still be shity. But man the Steelers were playing for nothing without their big three, with a guy who doesnt play centre, without their best defender and having lost their superstar middle linebacker and if it wasnt for the centre they might have won by 10 or more.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
As a running back prospect coming out of college. No way was Bell in that category entering the draft.
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True, but most of the hyped guys have been... first of all a lot of RBs got more hype than Faulk did... again no one got the hype that Bush did... Heck the college gurus were slobbering about Ron Dayne and Trent Richardson like they were all pros before tgey even played a down... Ricky Williams was going to singlehandedly beat teams and be the best nfl player ever...there are lists of big nane college rbs that didn't carry tge success over for one reason or another

Secondly, Faulk was one of four or five players drastically overhyped that year... best top of draft ever type of overhype... iirc he was the only that wasn't at best a pug...

Thirdly drafting Faulk was pretty useless for Indy... he had statistical success, but they didn't win with him
They were 8-8 his first year
They went 9-7 his second year and lost in the afc cg, but that was the cardiac kid luck run...
He was hurt his third year and while they made the playoffs, he played hurt most of tge season and had a 3 ypc for 500some yards and the lowest ypc of his early career...
the next two years were 3-13 atrocities, then they traded him for a second and fifth round pick...

Faulk didn't really do for the colts what he did for tge Rams....


Im sure Barkly will be a good RB, maybe a great one.... but we have seen more dynamic and more accomplished college RBs fail miserably at the next level so frequently that its wise to never draft one that high unless you have expendable picks
 
madinsomniac said:
Im sure Barkly will be a good RB, maybe a great one.... but we have seen more dynamic and more accomplished college RBs fail miserably at the next level so frequently that its wise to never draft one that high unless you have expendable picks
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I was just clarifying the previous posters statement for SteelerSask.
 
Faulk didn't really do for the colts what he did for the Rams....
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I don't see how that is his fault. He simply had a better supporting cast with the Rams.
 
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